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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.09 14:11:00 -
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In DUST we could travel to the other end of the galaxy by having our minds transmitted to another planet and downloaded into a new generic clone body. But for RP purposes, and integration with EVE, there was always the question of how your gear got there? How could we instantly trade items to mercs in other systems, while EVE players have travel to the same location to trade stuff?
I just read a quote from Rattati about suits in Nova being created on site using 3D printing. That makes a lot of sense and solves a lot of the RP and logistical problems. Our inventory is not a bunch of equipment in storage, but rather a licensing list of the stuff we have a license to print.
It means the Nova Market can have instant transactions across the galaxy for anything that can be printed, as it is just the license and plans that is being traded.
It means the Corporation supplying the Warbarge only has to have a bunch of standard materials in storage and they can print out for us anything from Civilian to Officer gear.
It means that if in the future we do get full integration with EVE, eve pilots would be hulling around those standard materials in bulk rather than individual pieces of mercenary equipment.
It just solves a lot of those pesky problems which would otherwise break immersion.
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Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2017.06.09 14:19:00 -
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Even in EVE though, there are areas you cannot automatically clone jump to as there is not the facilities necessary to do so everywhere. In such case, I would see why clones would have to travel by ship. It would be cool in EVE someday to destroy one ship containing 1 capsuleer and over a dozen mercs. 
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2017.06.09 14:58:00 -
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Didnt we never leave Molden Heath? |
Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Didnt we never leave Molden Heath?
You're still thinking in the past (DUST). Currently, us DUST mercs do not exist anywhere but within corp member lists in EVE and here on the forum.
Fox and I are discussing the future which is Nova. Nova could be anywhere especially if not tied to EVE as it had been said not to be.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:14:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:Even in EVE though, there are areas you cannot automatically clone jump to as there is not the facilities necessary to do so everywhere. In such case, I would see why clones would have to travel by ship. It would be cool in EVE someday to destroy one ship containing 1 capsuleer and over a dozen mercs.
The Clones don't get 3D printed. Someone has to transport clones, 3D printers, and the raw materials for the printers to the battle location. All of these are generally transported on War Barges.
So yes, you can't transport just anywhere. There has to be a War Barge in place. But it does make things a lot easier logistically and avoided a lot of unnecessary and annoying complication if they ever integrate Nova into EVE.
You would have to fly a War Barge to the location in EVE to initiate an infantry attack, but your would not have to make sure to stock that war barge with a thousand custom pieces of equipment so everyone has what they need for their fits. They could implement some sort of logistical mini game of keeping your clones stocked and maintaining stocks of maybe 5 raw resources for the printers, but it can be kept down to a reasonable number.
And even if they don't ever integrate with EVE at that level, it still makes things easier to explain.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:17:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Didnt we never leave Molden Heath?
In point of fact, only PC was limited to Molden Heath. Pub matches were in High Sec. I use to get a kick out of seeing that I was fighting in a system I remembered from back when I played EVE.
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Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:19:00 -
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Good point, Fox. Makes you wonder if Rattati stated this simply for lore to explain the game setup and/or if CCP is already thinking ahead to integration between EVE and Nova. I heavily doubted there would ever be integration between EVE and Nova but maybe it is indeed a possibility.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:27:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:Good point, Fox. Makes you wonder if Rattati stated this simply for lore to explain the game setup and/or if CCP is already thinking ahead to integration between EVE and Nova. I heavily doubted there would ever be integration between EVE and Nova but maybe it is indeed a possibility.
Oh, I am sure they are thinking about it... like I am thinking about what I will do in my retirement... just dreams and speculation at this point.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2017.06.10 16:36:00 -
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Talking about lore. I'm really interested what the story bridging the gap between Dust and Nova will be. According to Rattati there will be lore that will bridge them.
My guess would be that because of how much destruction clone mercenaries brought to the surface of planets that they were banned by CONCORD with support from all four empires.
Now they can't be used outside of security forces, and may no longer be used by any corporation or empire for offensive purposes. Queue capsuleers. Seeing as how many mercenaries found themselves without jobs capsuleers offered them a place on their ships as security to protect themselves from boarding parties of pirates.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
2012
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Posted - 2017.06.17 18:42:00 -
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As someone who is 3D Printing a Minmatar Helmet and Gallente Rifle i can whole-heartedly say its a complete and utter ball ache of a job and in no way would it be more conveinient 
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.19 12:05:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:As someone who is 3D Printing a Minmatar Helmet and Gallente Rifle i can whole-heartedly say its a complete and utter ball ache of a job and in no way would it be more conveinient
That is about what they guys forced to learn Morse Code to use the Telegraph probably said about electronic communication. 
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Nirwanda Vaughns
2014
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Posted - 2017.06.21 14:37:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:As someone who is 3D Printing a Minmatar Helmet and Gallente Rifle i can whole-heartedly say its a complete and utter ball ache of a job and in no way would it be more conveinient That is about what they guys forced to learn Morse Code to use the Telegraph probably said about electronic communication.
Perhaps. but then other methods such as vac forming are a lot quicker so 3d printed stuff tends to be used to make a master mold to be vacced. Something a production plant would already have done for the dropsuit components and plating would be stamped out using pre-lasercut designs and then assembled, more than likely on the warbarges, which, i assume would be fit with CRU and suit manufacturing in a manner similar to the gate ship from Stargate Universe. Making it a kinda mobile factory.
Plus to print and assemble something the size of a suit is ridiculous, something around 1000hrs for the print alone, thats based on a buddy who printed a full ironman suit to wear (he's 5' 5") so for a 7' clone would be even longer
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2017.06.21 15:33:00 -
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Space Printers are like super fast.
I mean **** they manufacture entire starships in a couple days right? I imagine they can handle a metal shell for your meat sack body on the fly.
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Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2017.06.21 21:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Space Printers are like super fast.
I mean **** they manufacture entire starships in a couple days right? I imagine they can handle a metal shell for your meat sack body on the fly.
Still, it is kind of unbelievable that EVE has the diverse set of ships it does yet when it comes to infantry side of things, there will only be 6 suits with nothing available between. At the very least, you would think there'd be an industrial exosuit/mech in there somewhere. 
That said, yes, I know CCP is trying to start small. I was just saying from a lore perspective.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2017.06.22 02:14:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Space Printers are like super fast.
I mean **** they manufacture entire starships in a couple days right? I imagine they can handle a metal shell for your meat sack body on the fly. Still, it is kind of unbelievable that EVE has the diverse set of ships it does yet when it comes to infantry side of things, there will only be 6 suits with nothing available between. At the very least, you would think there'd be an industrial exosuit/mech in there somewhere. That said, yes, I know CCP is trying to start small. I was just saying from a lore perspective.
Lore went to shit with the warlords build, in my opinion.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.22 17:11:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:As someone who is 3D Printing a Minmatar Helmet and Gallente Rifle i can whole-heartedly say its a complete and utter ball ache of a job and in no way would it be more conveinient That is about what they guys forced to learn Morse Code to use the Telegraph probably said about electronic communication. Perhaps. but then other methods such as vac forming are a lot quicker so 3d printed stuff tends to be used to make a master mold to be vacced. Something a production plant would already have done for the dropsuit components and plating would be stamped out using pre-lasercut designs and then assembled, more than likely on the warbarges, which, i assume would be fit with CRU and suit manufacturing in a manner similar to the gate ship from Stargate Universe. Making it a kinda mobile factory. Plus to print and assemble something the size of a suit is ridiculous, something around 1000hrs for the print alone, thats based on a buddy who printed a full ironman suit to wear (he's 5' 5") so for a 7' clone would be even longer
Yeah, but how long will it take to print a full Ironman suit in 3 years? In 5 years? 3D printing is still a fairly new technology. It is still developing quickly. Why would you base time estimates for a 3D printer thousands of years in the future on what we have available today?
I remember not long ago when the idea of 3D printing was something you only encountered in Science Fiction.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2017.06.22 17:21:00 -
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If we want to quibble about realism based on modern technology, why aren't we complaining about interstellar travel in EVE given that we aren't even to interplanetary travel yet.
Its a game, and I have no trouble buying the notion suits can be manufactured on the fly relatively quickly.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Penumbra or something
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Posted - 2017.06.27 16:06:00 -
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Wasn't that obvious from the start?
We aren't transporting all of our **** with us, we're just given identical **** that we own the rights to.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.06.27 19:04:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Space Printers are like super fast.
I mean **** they manufacture entire starships in a couple days right? I imagine they can handle a metal shell for your meat sack body on the fly. Still, it is kind of unbelievable that EVE has the diverse set of ships it does yet when it comes to infantry side of things, there will only be 6 suits with nothing available between. At the very least, you would think there'd be an industrial exosuit/mech in there somewhere. That said, yes, I know CCP is trying to start small. I was just saying from a lore perspective.
Well Dust had 5 classes and the added variation off of that in the form of racial variants.
Nova has 6 classes and then adds variation off of that in the form of firmware.
And yes, start small. You don't want to add suits for the sake of meeting the desires of the lore and then end up with a hot mess like Dust.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2017.06.28 15:16:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Wasn't that obvious from the start?
We aren't transporting all of our **** with us, we're just given identical **** that we own the rights to.
Maybe. Probably. It would be self evident to anyone who grows up in the time of 3D printing. But I am used to the idea of physical objects having to be transported physically and all the logistical problems that brings. I had not thought of being able to manufacture any needed item on site using 3D printing until Rattati mentioned it. It really is a paradigm shift.
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