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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:57:00 -
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I will share further thoughts later as I am still reading through and processing, but I just wanted to say that I can't imagine anyone reading through that and thinking that Nova will still come out like CoD.
Overall I am really liking it, but I will come by later with more specific thoughts.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.05.31 22:45:00 -
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After having read through the blog, and thought about it, I think I like the progression the more that I know and think about it. Especially the fact that you have this one suit, that you work on, and amend. It is like having your own house, that you can fix up and upgrade based upon what you want it to be. At first, everyone will have similar stuff (especially within a given role), but as time goes on, roles and playstyles will find their own flavors, even within a role/suit.
Firstly, I like that progression is based on usage. FotM chasing drove me nuts in Dust. People would abuse whatever was OP at the moment, break it so that it got nerfed, then those who really liked the role/item/weapon and were going to use it anyways got the short end of the stick. All the while, the chasers just moved on to wreck something else.
At least this way, people can't stock up on SP then just change roles when what they abused got nerfed.
Plus, it rewards people for sticking to their play style.
Second, I like that some (all?) of the bonuses/modules at the T1 level are tied to a role. This will make it much easier to prevent role bleed. At the same time, allowing gear to be transferable once into T2 means that there is still some freedom to have niche fits, like a fatty with knives.
And while I agree that this is much more streamlined than the Skill Books, I think there is still room for mistakes, if I understood the model correctly. (Which I might not have)
For example: You are able to upgrade to T2 once the first level all T1 gear is unlocked. What happens if you unlock those, and then immediately upgrade to T2? It would appear that once you are in a T2 suit, that the T1 gear no longer gets upgraded. Or maybe you have the ability to chose playing in T1 gear to continue to upgrade gear, even though your T2 suit is available? Can't really tell.
What I didn't like, on the initial read through, was the way in which gear that was not within a role needed to be achieved. It seemed like a lot of work to have to take another role and play it until you unlock things in T2 suits (which it still could be depending on the amount of grind). I think, in the end though, that I would rather reward people for using items the way this system does, than to allow just anyone to get any gear they wanted, regardless of the suits and items they played with. Plus, it is not like there was a hard wall put up between suits and item usage, there is still the ability to, if you wanted to put forth the effort.
Lastly, I think the T3 concept is really interesting. In Dust, it did kind of stink when you were in this role, like a Minja, and you had these bonuses. Some of which you really wanted to take advantage of (knife bonus), some of which you may not have at times (hacking). With T3 and the firmware, you seem to be able to adjust those to your liking, and maybe making all the bonuses of a suit compliment the role you want to play versus having 2/3 bonuses reflect a role.
In the end, hands on experience obviously lacking, I think they have created an improved system of progression. I think it reduces any concern that the game would simply be dumbed down too much, and that there would not be any freedom at all. It does a good job of balancing simplicity for new "civilian" players, while allowing veterans freedom to change bonuses and gear without being able to do it in an easily abusive manner.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.05.31 22:51:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Luckily I have a degree in Civil Engineering. I am qualified to use a civilian suit.
Does that mean YOU can fix the tram?
Ripley Riley wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:who knows what happened in between... I know my merc became a slushie salesman by day, and an exotic dancer going by the name of Ripped Riley by night. Man has to make a living somehow...
I thought that was you I saw getting into that semi with the trucker...
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.06.01 02:09:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I don't think I get it.
The way I see it, this seems even more broken than Dust. Everyone was complaining about tiers in Dust, and then CCP brings it back ten fold by even separating tiers with bonuses? What?
Civilian - no bonuses
Tech I - Bonus 1
Tech II - Bonus 1 + Bonus 2
How is this any different? In Dust, you could choose how you upgrade your characters. In here, your choice is limited by what you are using (which is okay, I guess), but progressing and widening the gap between Newbie fits vs Vet fits is still there. There's no pass-through content, except why would anyone use Civilian over Tech X suits?
A year after Nova's launch vets using Tech X will still be stomping civilians lol
Is this how it is going to work? If not, enlighten me, por favor because I just don't get it.
I don't think you get it either.
It is WAAAAY different.
Example: In Dust, if you used a Militia suit, but had all your core skills like Armor, Dampening, Shields etc maxed, and you played against a new player using the exact same Militia suit, your stats would be different because of yours skills.
In Nova, that won't happen. If you use the same Civilian suit, you will have the same stats regardless.
Secondly, in Dust, if you progressed, you simply upgraded your skills. Period. Your armor bonuses were greater, your CPU usages were less etc. In Nova, if you progress, you can now choose module that may have a more specific usage, but it isn't a simple addition or increase. For that more specific bonus, you will lose a bonus that you previously had. It would be like an advanced minmatar scout equivalent in Nova being able to increase his knife damage at the cost of the hacking bonus. So while in that instance you would be able to be a better knifer at a higher tier, you would be doing it at the expense of your hacking ability. In Dust, you simply would increase the bonus, and not lose anything.
The reason for Civilian suits is not that you should want to use them over Tx gear, it is that New Players can just jump into the game without having to learn all about SP and whatnot first. In Dust, if you wanted to try a class, even at standard tier levels, you had to spend SP. If you did not like that style, you just wasted your SP, and you were no further along towards finding what you liked. Also, if you intended to skill in to one suit, but accidentally skilled into another, that was a mistake for life (barring paid respecs, or the incredibly rare free respec). In Nova, you simply choose a different suit.
I think you should slow down, and read through the blog more thoroughly. It is not as scary as it looks.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.06.04 19:33:00 -
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Maybe I am not understanding your argument. I think you are saying that the races were the base, with the manufacturer becoming the variants?
And that you currently believe that the manufacturer cannot be both base AND variant?
If I misunderstood, please correct me.
If however I got the gist of what you are saying, then I am going to have to disagree. History is full of people combining things or adding just a bit to them to do something new. People constantly use various electronic hardware and create new software to change the intended use. Most recently, people took the NES Classic and made all sorts of classic games playable on it, even non Nintendo games.
That hack happened despite Nintendo not intending it. I don't see why it can't be the same for Nova. The suits are just hardware. Some base stats will be innate to hardware, with software optimizing those. Other stats will be all software. Changing software would remove the software only bonuses (provided the new software doesn't have the same or better), and while that new software doesn't necessarily optimize the hardware, it also can't take away the innate nature of the hardware. In the end you will have something not quite what it was, but not entirely different either.
Edit: Pokey probably said it better.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.06.04 21:17:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:To use your analogy,
Firmware is like switching operating systems. Changing the software isn't going to physically turn your PC into a Mac.
Haken Tosch would be an excellent Nova Alt I think.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.06.04 21:38:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:To use your analogy,
Firmware is like switching operating systems. Changing the software isn't going to physically turn your PC into a Mac. So firmware changes are going to give you a different UI, but do exactly the same thing? And one will skip version 9, for no apparent reason.
How else would they be able to make sure you have just the ads you need just when you need it.
Start getting shot by a merc from your 6, BOOM, "Have you tried our new firmware that alerts you to someone sneaking up behind you? It is absolutely free!*"
*Provided you allow us access to all your contacts, GPS, and conversation history with Jara.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.06.08 21:46:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:"Internal review"? You sure you're not a CCP employee, Pokey?  Well, I am sure a lot are waiting to see it. BTW, thinking over our discussion in this thread, I really missed a chance to use a phrase that just came to mind. To help end out this thread, I am going to use it now. DUSTiny.  Haha internal Biomassed review. I can't spell worth a **** so I have people proofread for me. Also lulz at Dustiny.
I have always felt that people who spell everything correctly simply aren't creative enough to come up with alternative spellings. They are just "in the box" thinkers.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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