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Horse Schitt
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Posted - 2016.12.24 09:41:00 -
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I think putting Dust on the PS3 was an awful choice. It was nearing the end of it's life cycle, and the architecture of the CPU meant that it wasn't ever going to get off of that platform. Do you think Dust 514 would have lived longer, or maybe even be here today, if CCP hadn't scrapped the Carbon engine and developed on the PC instead? |
DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2016.12.24 11:38:00 -
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The Carbon Engine wasn't working out too well on PC either.
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Horse Schitt
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Posted - 2016.12.24 15:43:00 -
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I think the kinks with the Carbon engine could've been worked out if they'd had more to work with, which they would've if they'd have stuck to PC. What was considered a reasonably priced rig got pretty good around that time, already a lot better than what you'd get from a PS3.
As for Nova, I don't really see it as a successor to Dust 514. It's going to be a completely different game, only sharing Dust's aesthetic and style. Completely different game, when I just want more Dust 514. Sucks that there aren't any FPSes like Dust 514 around anymore. |
DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2016.12.24 20:01:00 -
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Horse Schitt wrote:I think the kinks with the Carbon engine could've been worked out if they'd had more to work with, which they would've if they'd have stuck to PC. What was considered a reasonably priced rig got pretty good around that time, already a lot better than what you'd get from a PS3.
As for Nova, I don't really see it as a successor to Dust 514. It's going to be a completely different game, only sharing Dust's aesthetic and style. Completely different game, when I just want more Dust 514. Sucks that there aren't any FPSes like Dust 514 around anymore.
Director of Project NOVA +ürnason believes that the issue wasn't technical ability, but scope.
The way he sees it Dust failed because it was trying to be too many things at once. He goes on to say that having it on P.C. would have just slowed its death and that its failure was inevitable.
Most players won't see a difference however. As it stands, most people didn't take part in P.C. and interactions between EVE and Dust players were so rare that I doubt many casual players ever had them.
I would like to see NOVA get to where Dust 514 was supposed to be, but shooting mechanics need to be worked out first.
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.24 20:45:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Horse Schitt wrote:I think the kinks with the Carbon engine could've been worked out if they'd had more to work with, which they would've if they'd have stuck to PC. What was considered a reasonably priced rig got pretty good around that time, already a lot better than what you'd get from a PS3.
As for Nova, I don't really see it as a successor to Dust 514. It's going to be a completely different game, only sharing Dust's aesthetic and style. Completely different game, when I just want more Dust 514. Sucks that there aren't any FPSes like Dust 514 around anymore. Director of Project NOVA +ürnason believes that the issue wasn't technical ability, but scope. The way he sees it Dust failed because it was trying to be too many things at once. He goes on to say that having it on P.C. would have just slowed its death and that its failure was inevitable. Most players won't see a difference however. As it stands, most people didn't take part in P.C. and interactions between EVE and Dust players were so rare that I doubt many casual players ever had them. I would like to see NOVA get to where Dust 514 was supposed to be, but shooting mechanics need to be worked out first.
I'm confused. I thought the OP was using PC, referring to "personal computers". Now you seem to be talking about "Planetary Control".... Did I miss something?
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2016.12.25 00:35:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Horse Schitt wrote:I think the kinks with the Carbon engine could've been worked out if they'd had more to work with, which they would've if they'd have stuck to PC. What was considered a reasonably priced rig got pretty good around that time, already a lot better than what you'd get from a PS3.
As for Nova, I don't really see it as a successor to Dust 514. It's going to be a completely different game, only sharing Dust's aesthetic and style. Completely different game, when I just want more Dust 514. Sucks that there aren't any FPSes like Dust 514 around anymore. Director of Project NOVA +ürnason believes that the issue wasn't technical ability, but scope. The way he sees it Dust failed because it was trying to be too many things at once. He goes on to say that having it on P.C. would have just slowed its death and that its failure was inevitable. Most players won't see a difference however. As it stands, most people didn't take part in P.C. and interactions between EVE and Dust players were so rare that I doubt many casual players ever had them. I would like to see NOVA get to where Dust 514 was supposed to be, but shooting mechanics need to be worked out first. I'm confused. I thought the OP was using PC, referring to "personal computers". Now you seem to be talking about "Planetary Control".... Did I miss something?
In the first paragraph I use it to reference personal computers, in the second it's about Planetary Control.
The OP said that NOVA is going to be different than Dust 514. My argument is that all the extra things they are removing from Dust in order to make NOVA are superfluous to its ability to be a full fledged shooter that can compete with popular titles. The MMO-RPG aspect of the game can wait till later.
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Mobius Wyvern
Night Theifs
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.25 01:02:00 -
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Horse Schitt wrote:I think putting Dust on the PS3 was an awful choice. It was nearing the end of it's life cycle, and the architecture of the CPU meant that it wasn't ever going to get off of that platform. Do you think Dust 514 would have lived longer, or maybe even be here today, if CCP hadn't scrapped the Carbon engine and developed on the PC instead?
Uh, dude, EVE runs on CARBON.
CARBON is just the Trinity Engine with some extra mods.
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Russel Moralles
Klandatu
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Posted - 2016.12.25 02:10:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Carbon Engine wasn't working out too well on PC either- for shooters that is. It is resource intensive and getting everything to run well takes a finely tuned machine, which excludes a lot of customers with less than high end computers. I would say that UE4 or even the Cry Engine would be nice... As it so happens, NOVA is running UE4 
Thank the Gods of dust.
Now if they can release it now.
That would be awesome.
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.25 02:12:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Horse Schitt wrote:I think the kinks with the Carbon engine could've been worked out if they'd had more to work with, which they would've if they'd have stuck to PC. What was considered a reasonably priced rig got pretty good around that time, already a lot better than what you'd get from a PS3.
As for Nova, I don't really see it as a successor to Dust 514. It's going to be a completely different game, only sharing Dust's aesthetic and style. Completely different game, when I just want more Dust 514. Sucks that there aren't any FPSes like Dust 514 around anymore. Director of Project NOVA +ürnason believes that the issue wasn't technical ability, but scope. The way he sees it Dust failed because it was trying to be too many things at once. He goes on to say that having it on P.C. would have just slowed its death and that its failure was inevitable. Most players won't see a difference however. As it stands, most people didn't take part in P.C. and interactions between EVE and Dust players were so rare that I doubt many casual players ever had them. I would like to see NOVA get to where Dust 514 was supposed to be, but shooting mechanics need to be worked out first. I'm confused. I thought the OP was using PC, referring to "personal computers". Now you seem to be talking about "Planetary Control".... Did I miss something? In the first paragraph I use it to reference personal computers, in the second it's about Planetary Control. The OP said that NOVA is going to be different than Dust 514. My argument is that all the extra things they are removing from Dust in order to make NOVA are superfluous to its ability to be a full fledged shooter that can compete with popular titles. The MMO-RPG aspect of the game can wait till later.
Well thanks for clearing that up. Unfortunately, I believe any FPS they put out that doesn't contain the MMORPG side of things that makes it EvE will be pointless. It will just be like any other. Unless they make it VR compatible, at least.... |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2016.12.25 05:51:00 -
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It was definitely a ticking time bomb of failure because of the poor development team when it started. The code was crap, hence the need for killing even Legion and starting fresh with Nova. Also, the original team wasn't well focused (no matter how laser like they claimed to be).
They spent way too much time on OBs while ignoring basic game play. They spent too much time devolping parts that could not be used until way down the line while ignoring balance.
At the same time, those mistakes may lead to better game development in the future.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2016.12.26 01:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Carbon Engine wasn't working out too well on PC either- for shooters that is. It is resource intensive and getting everything to run well takes a finely tuned machine, which excludes a lot of customers with less than high end computers. I would say that UE4 or even the Cry Engine would be nice... As it so happens, NOVA is running UE4
Nova? You mean the project they announced 8 months ago and never talked about again?
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2016.12.26 01:49:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Carbon Engine wasn't working out too well on PC either- for shooters that is. It is resource intensive and getting everything to run well takes a finely tuned machine, which excludes a lot of customers with less than high end computers. I would say that UE4 or even the Cry Engine would be nice... As it so happens, NOVA is running UE4 Nova? You mean the project they announced 8 months ago and never talked about again?
They announced the game 10 months ago, then had a demo 2 months ago. And have confirmed they are still working hard on the game since, including a couple posts 3 months ago here and here.
That doesn't even count the discord and twitter talk that I am not up on.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.12.26 04:02:00 -
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The writing was all over the walls.
CCP Rattati and his team had no choice but to kill off Dust 514 and start over COMPLETELY FROM SCATCH given how the previous executive producer for Dust 514 mismanaged the whole thing from the start. There was really no other option and many of us players saw this coming.
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Git Gud Bruh
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Posted - 2016.12.26 07:40:00 -
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Horse Schitt wrote:I think putting Dust on the PS3 was an awful choice. It was nearing the end of it's life cycle, and the architecture of the CPU meant that it wasn't ever going to get off of that platform. Do you think Dust 514 would have lived longer, or maybe even be here today, if CCP hadn't scrapped the Carbon engine and developed on the PC instead?
Dust's life story boils down to, shoulda, woulda, coulda. I'm done talking about it, my ass is getting jealous of the sh!t coming out my mouth. CCP owes the community a stable product that performs as advertised. If they cant deliver then they just need to put their big boy pants on, tell the world they ****** up (again), so we can all get some much needed closure and go about our daily lives just as meaninglessly as we did before Dust. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me a second time over a yearlong span.....I'll ride my bass-boat from Florida to Shanghai, and the whole time I'm gonna be warming up my left hook.
I'm Git Gud and I'm a Dust addict. I've been clean for 6 months.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2016.12.26 19:39:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The writing was all over the walls.
CCP Rattati and his team had no choice but to kill off Dust 514 and start over COMPLETELY FROM SCATCH given how the previous executive producer for Dust 514 mismanaged the whole thing from the start. There was really no other option and many of us players saw this coming.
Contrary to popular belief they have not started from scratch. In actuality what they have done is imported a lot of models (characters, equipment, map artifacts) into NOVA after upgrading the graphics to 4K. NOVA is really just a conservative take on Dust 514.
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And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Mobius Wyvern
Night Theifs
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.26 20:17:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:The writing was all over the walls.
CCP Rattati and his team had no choice but to kill off Dust 514 and start over COMPLETELY FROM SCATCH given how the previous executive producer for Dust 514 mismanaged the whole thing from the start. There was really no other option and many of us players saw this coming. Contrary to popular belief they have not started from scratch. In actuality what they have done is imported a lot of models (characters, equipment, map artifacts) into NOVA after upgrading the graphics to 4K. NOVA is really just a conservative take on Dust 514.
Starting from scratch isn't saying they threw out all the art assets they created. That wouldn't make any sense, and we've already seen most of the art assets were kept.
What we're saying is none of the foundation of the old game was kept.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.12.26 22:14:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:The writing was all over the walls.
CCP Rattati and his team had no choice but to kill off Dust 514 and start over COMPLETELY FROM SCATCH given how the previous executive producer for Dust 514 mismanaged the whole thing from the start. There was really no other option and many of us players saw this coming. Contrary to popular belief they have not started from scratch. In actuality what they have done is imported a lot of models (characters, equipment, map artifacts) into NOVA after upgrading the graphics to 4K. NOVA is really just a conservative take on Dust 514.
Pardon me for not making myself clear in the first place.
When I said "COMPLETELY FROM SCRATCH" I meant that the Legacy code is completely thrown away and replaced with an entirely brand new base code.
Old mechanics - Gone
Legacy Bugs - Gone
Unreal Engine 3 - Gone (now replaced by Unreal Engine 4)
The only things that are likely to remain are the old visual models, and (WARNING: WISHFUL THINKING INCOMING) our character data stored in the Tranquility servers.
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Russel Moralles
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Posted - 2016.12.27 06:07:00 -
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If they start over again does that mean its not a sure release for the game then.
They have to convince people higher up in the food chain to greenlit it.
Now thats just awesome.
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.27 06:18:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:The writing was all over the walls.
CCP Rattati and his team had no choice but to kill off Dust 514 and start over COMPLETELY FROM SCATCH given how the previous executive producer for Dust 514 mismanaged the whole thing from the start. There was really no other option and many of us players saw this coming. Contrary to popular belief they have not started from scratch. In actuality what they have done is imported a lot of models (characters, equipment, map artifacts) into NOVA after upgrading the graphics to 4K. NOVA is really just a conservative take on Dust 514. Pardon me for not making myself clear in the first place. When I said "COMPLETELY FROM SCRATCH" I meant that the Legacy code is completely thrown away and replaced with an entirely brand new base code. Old mechanics - Gone Legacy Bugs - Gone Unreal Engine 3 - Gone (now replaced by Unreal Engine 4) The only things that are likely to remain are the old visual models, and (WARNING: WISHFUL THINKING INCOMING) our character data stored in the Tranquility servers.
lol
I have no doubt at all that the data is there and available. My concern would be whether or not they make the new game compatible with that data.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2016.12.28 01:46:00 -
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Horse Schitt wrote:I think putting Dust on the PS3 was an awful choice. It was nearing the end of it's life cycle, and the architecture of the CPU meant that it wasn't ever going to get off of that platform. Do you think Dust 514 would have lived longer, or maybe even be here today, if CCP hadn't scrapped the Carbon engine and developed on the PC instead?
I think it would have been better had it been put on the PC.
CCP was trying to capture some of the console market though, and that's why it was on the PS3.
As far as Carbon goes, choices regarding Dust development, dust platform choices, etc, well, CCP is their own worst enemy.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2016.12.28 07:19:00 -
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Also no, I don't see Dust 514 as being killed in its cage.
I see it more as a beautiful girl who was strangled by her drunk father one night when the thoughts of what he did in the last war were too much for him to bare.
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ZENROME RANCORTON
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.28 08:17:00 -
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Dust514 was a descent game but, for it to be a contender against let's say Titanfall 2 or planetside, it needs to re-evaluate it's formula and the engine all together for all platforms.
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ZENROME RANCORTON
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.28 08:20:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Horse Schitt wrote:I think the kinks with the Carbon engine could've been worked out if they'd had more to work with, which they would've if they'd have stuck to PC. What was considered a reasonably priced rig got pretty good around that time, already a lot better than what you'd get from a PS3.
As for Nova, I don't really see it as a successor to Dust 514. It's going to be a completely different game, only sharing Dust's aesthetic and style. Completely different game, when I just want more Dust 514. Sucks that there aren't any FPSes like Dust 514 around anymore. Director of Project NOVA +ürnason believes that the issue wasn't technical ability, but scope. The way he sees it Dust failed because it was trying to be too many things at once. He goes on to say that having it on P.C. would have just slowed its death and that its failure was inevitable. Most players won't see a difference however. As it stands, most people didn't take part in P.C. and interactions between EVE and Dust players were so rare that I doubt many casual players ever had them. I would like to see NOVA get to where Dust 514 was supposed to be, but shooting mechanics need to be worked out first.
Do you feel like there was no aim assist
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