The thing that worries me most is that if they just make it CoD in space it will do great and people will praise it like OMG CCP like this is AMAZEBALLS and those of us that fell in love with DUST for its potential will be smashing their heads into walls repeatedly.

I already do that, but it's my therapy regimen.

Did you just call me 'well' salted? I AM salt you ******* pleb.

I make things taste delicious. Plus I give people kidney stones.

I'm nice like that ;)

Awww, you think I'm Batman

I really doubt too many EVE players will take the time away from EVE to play a game that doesn't remotely resemble EVE. Making a game that directly competes with your primary source of income doesn't seem like the greatest bet to me. It would serve them far better to make Nova worthwhile to EVE players while they're still within EVE, through a stronger connection or even the arena matches we were teased with so long ago.

Making an FPS to appease EVE players is just destined to fail, or at the very least fracture the community. Making an FPS that draws people further into EVE, that feels like a better direction to take.

But you'll never have a spread sheet style FPS, and if you want to get good in an FPS, you have to commit a good amount of time.

The more time you spend getting good at Nova, the less time you spend blowing up things in EVE. Even if Nova were the best thing ever for EVE players and made their spread sheet condoms fill with joy, it would just mean they'd move from EVE to Nova. It just seems odd to make your target audience one that's already invested in your primary game.

Don't you want to expand the player base of both games, rather than dwindle one while helping to exclude the average gamer from the other? If the game is simplistic and easy to pick up, it will probably not appeal to EVE players. Yet, if it's as layered and complex as EVE, it will naturally push away the more average and casual player.

I guess I just don't see the sense in primarily targeting EVE players, instead of giving EVE players a reason to invest EVE side.

No, I expect CCP to cheat. Just have your EVE character jumpclone into a DUST clone (close EVE and open DUST2 in the background while you watch the latest Scope News broadcast) and then your EVE character is walking around in a dropsuit ready for some FPS action.

You get to have FPS and Spaceships in the same game without having to go single shard and seamless. The whole Jumpclone technology of uploading your consciousness to the net and downloading into a new body really makes it easy since by definition it is not a seamless transition.

I'm just arguing against targeting EVE players primarily. If that's your target audience, you've set the bar very high and without a solid EVE link, will still likely just **** them off. This could have negative impacts on BOTH games, instead of just one.

I've been pretty clear that all I really want out of Nova is the combined arms aspect and a stronger EVE link of some kind. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way to think that EVE players are the primary target audience when all they bothered to do was **** all over DUST the entire time it was alive, and likely won't have a whole lot of interest in anyways if it doesn't directly benefit them EVE side.

See this is part of why I don't mind making an ass of myself around here, at least it helps some of you smarter folks get discussing ideas :)

The other reason is because it's basically like Team Rockets motto: I can't not do it.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I've done all the speculation on Project Nova I am willing to. I'm tired; tired of having to speculate due to no official info and tired of waiting for CCP to provide any actual info. I had hope of seeing something for Project Nova this year but that hope has diminished seeing CCP Shanghai had to focus pushing out a different release this year instead.
I'll still be around but see no reason to speculate any further. I am past the point of cheerful hope and am to the point of embittered silence. I know some fanboys may think I have no right to be irritated with CCP but I am sure others are also irritated like me.

How can you be confused that CCP shattered the trust of many DUST players? At least he's quiet about it. Really we just have to put all this talk behind us until one day CCP does or does not release real, meaningful, tangible information on a sequel.

I can't speak for him or anyone else but it just seems like many here would rather entirely forget about DUST or just hold onto the memories than speculate on what's still just a maybe.

I guess maybe CCP should make their "info" more readily available instead of giving it to randoms to lord over others with.

Anywho, I feel that this is my tipping point in this thread so I will casually crash through the wall opposite to the one I entered.

Good day.

That's exactly why I think it's a mistake not to leave the FPS on consoles.... There's too much overlap in the people who play PC shooters, and the people who already play EVE.

Consoles are a completely separate player base to tap into.

But hey, what do I know.

While I agree in principle with what you say, the OFFICIAL place for information to be disseminated was/is the fora. I read every Dev and CPM post as well, but clearly they didn't/don't have everything, if you have to also read tweets, Skype and Discord to get the information. I certainly don't know half of what you apparently do. That means by definition, some people are being told things that aren't being told to others, at least through the official channels.

I think having a common platform for development of games is critical. That would be the PC. Port appropriate games to other platforms as necessary to leverage the player base on those platforms. Nova should definitely port to console after it's been developed for PC.

Why does it have to be the same? Why can't the economy work over all of New Eden, no matter which game you're in?

As for ISK injection, in EvE you have to earn all your ISK, by running missions, mining, manufacturing, marketing, whatever. People need to earn enough ISK to pay for the equipment and goods they want to buy, which is a self-regulating thing built on supply and demand. If Nova allowed people to accept contracts for variable amounts, set by the player issuing the contract, then the amount a player can earn in Nova would also be completely variable. Missions are seen as basic bread-and-butter to EvE pilots along with ratting and anoms. The same sort of basic almost-guaranteed income should be available in all New Eden games with the options to trade and contract for more income and better game play.

Edit:

You do a lot less as a foot soldier in Nova than you do as a pilot in EvE. 20 minute PvE missions vary wildly in their monetary rewards, based on what you do in those missions, how critical they are. EvE missions can run for hours or even days, as well, to get the big bucks. The amount of ISK paid for any mission should be based on what you do in that mission, not on the time spent. You can do a lot more with a battle cruiser than you can with a rifle.

All the more reason then, that people with information from any source outside of the fora should forward that information on within the fora.

It should also be noted that the fora are being kept going for a reason, presumably to communicate information and keep alive interest. I still think the fora are the correct place to disseminate information, not somewhat less rigorous vehicles such as Twitter.