directly contradict things that the developers have blatantly stated in various interviews on the news sites....

I feel like you and I have been playing two different games these past 4 years :/

Well in regards to Nova people are saying the devs are doing one thing and then that day Rattati ells an interviewer they are doing the polar opposite.... I guess I trust the horses mouth more than the Bittervets?

I trust past experiences more than either.

Well considering most of the assumptions running around directly contradict things that the developers have blatantly stated in various interviews on the news sites....you're right that most of the negativity is not correct.

As for vehicles, as someone who has used them from closed beta, I am sad to see that they wont be in the initial release but I completely understand why they won't be. It's not even a matter of balance....we can push numbers around for years, and we have, but there was still something terribly wrong with the system in general. Vehicle roles in most cases were not distinctively different enough from infantry roles. It spawned this stupid argument that I've grown to hate which is "Well how many infantry should it take to kill a vehicle" which...while an important question, is a terrible basis to develop the system off of.

I'm starting to lean more towards the idea that vehicles would be best suited in certain game modes where their purpose was not only unique from infantry, but necessary for the mode itself. For example imagine a mode where you needed to capture points on opposite walls of a canyon but the only way to access them would be via dropship shuttling back and forth across the chasm. Or a mode where infantry must escort and support HAVs to break down a shield generator that is vulnerable to vehicle fire only.

In cases like this, you end up with a need for vehicles in a setting that makes sense and can be rewarding, without leaving them in an ambiguous state where they tend to encroach on infantry roles, or straight up act like a power up (Or power down in some cases). As vehicles are in DUST now, the roles they fill are simply too similar to the things infantry do, and no amount of stat tweaking will fix that.

That being said, I think simply pushing them into the game as they are in DUST would be irresponsible...Id rather the base infantry gameplay be hashed out and then we can develop proper modes and roles for vehicles later....may that before or after 1.0

CCP just can't hold up to other developers unless they bring their A game, and if they just give up on vehicles, to many DUST players that's just plain lazy game design.

I maintain that it's not so much lazy as it is a continued lack of commitment from CCP as a whole. It's the continuation of a small team with a small budget working at a slow pace. Hiring more staff is the absolute least they could do, one of the big reasons for balance difficulties and design flaws is likely due to having reduced staff and resources.

I mean, since Rouge Wedding this game has barely recieved any actual changes, I mean the DUST team did great with what they had but the point isn't what they did or didn't do, it's what was taken from them by CCP and never returned.

I don't know man. I've seen amazing things from small teams on low budgets. Take Metroid Prime for example, I've never played a game that rivals its quality.

I believe CCP is one of those devs who has the capability of being an amazing dev. Problem is they make too many mistakes.

They dropped WoD mid development...

and they dropped Legion.

There will forever be salty-trolls, DUST Fiends, and Private Mosquitoes. There is nothing CCP can do to silence them. They could deliver a great game in project nova and there would still be people proclaiming how they were lied to, or cheated, or somehow CCP ****** up. There is no "shutting up" a ****-talker.

I'll kiss CCPs ass when they decide to clean it up a bit and work on their presentation I prefer my nose stays its natural pasty white color, thank you.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I doubt that very much.

CCP will **** up in the development of product nova. Something will go wrong; a bug or fucky game balancing. Maybe the servers will go down for a day because of reasons. You get the idea.

Then we'll be right back here again. CCP lied to you, CCP cheated you, CCP is incompetent, "I heard CCP stomps on infants' throats!" Nothing will ever be good enough for the salty veterans. No forgiveness or leeway will be given and certainly no human error allowed.

So this has little to do with having CCP prove themselves. This has everything to do with sour, entitled player attitudes.

I mean he essentially shut down DUSTs development 2 years ago, dangled Legion for us then canned that, and is now dangling a new project that he still hasn't even greenlit yet? That's not exactly encouraging :/

At this point it's a matter of does Hilmar actually give a ****?

Hey I hear you, No Mans Sky and Angels Fall First both have tiny teams with low / no budget, it's just the past 2 years have kind of highlighted the limitations that are imbued upon the team when they have much of their resources and staff pulled away.

Like I said, at this point it's just speculation. We'll just have to see what ends up in the game and how long it takes them to expand it, assuming they do.

There will forever be salty-trolls, DUST Fiends, and Private Mosquitoes. There is nothing CCP can do to silence them. They could deliver a great game in project nova and there would still be people proclaiming how they were lied to, or cheated, or somehow CCP ****** up. There is no "shutting up" a ****-talker.

CCP just can't hold up to other developers unless they bring their A game, and if they just give up on vehicles, to many DUST players that's just plain lazy game design.