I think that part of the issue here is somehow defining people who play infantry-only shooters and people who play combined-arms shooters as some kind of completely separate communities with conflicting tastes in games. There were plenty of people who came to Dust from infantry-only shooters and found the combined-arms aspect to enhance the gameplay. I think it quite safe to surmise that when Nova brings vehicles back into the game those same kinds of people will adapt and learn to enjoy them.

Keep in mind also that one of the biggest factors in crafting a game that lasts through the years is a wide variety of experiences. While Nova will start out being infantry-only on ship interiors, even after planets come out there will be people who still like the ship interiors, and both will still be available. That means you keep the people that want an infantry-only experience while also giving a combined-arms experience to the people who are primarily looking for that. As a bonus, the infantry-only people are likely to try out planetary fights when they start wanting a new experience.

Dust 514 was pitched to us in 2012 as eventually having Public Contracts, Faction Warfare, Planetary Conquest, some form of Arena-shooter mode with classic game types from other shooters, and various forms of PvE. Basically, it was supposed to have the same variety of experiences that has allowed EVE Online to be around for 13 years and still be going strong.

However, many of those experiences were not initially part of EVE Online. Sovereignty didn't come in until at least a year after the game released, and Faction Warfare was put in in 2008, five years after the game released. It could be argued that if the CCP of 1999-2000 with their limited team and resources had tried to make EVE Online then with all the features it has now, it probably would have been trapped in development hell for years before eventually being shut down just like Dust 514.

I was one of the people that was worried at the idea of vehicles not being in at first, but when I look at EVE Online as an example, I understand what they're doing. They want to take the slow-and-steady approach that has occasionally been lost but has most of the time been a guiding principle of EVE Online's development.

Okay, I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for being this guy, but from what I'm seeing, Nova is headed for disaster. I also foresee that I'm going to be called... whatever derogatory term groundies have for pilots, as my main grievances are, obviously, vehicles, or lack thereof.

I'll first start off with non vehicle stuff, and go straight to the suits:

1) Not much variety really: So I'll be honest, I may have just read the wording the wrong way on this one. But if I am reading this correctly, then without further ado: The way I read it, it states that people will have to constantly play the same role to receive the benefits and reap the whole rewards of constantly playing it, to a point.

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From what I understood, there will still be freedom of choice with weapons. Just imagine how Splatoon for the WiiU deals with progression for its clothing items and picture that being applied towards weapons as well. I know it's oversimplifying it but that's the best comparison I can come up with and so far the setup still allows for freedom. It doesn't lock you into a certain role. You're just expanding it based on how often you use it. That's how I understand it. I could be wrong though.

2) Vehicles:

I'm going to be honest again, hearing that we're not getting to be in Nova at launch was quite insulting to those who devoted time and SP to vehicles and piloting them.

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I have read a handful of recent articles covering project nova which is detailed in the link below.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread

So far, NOWHERE did it state that the game will not come with vehicles at launch. You, like some others I have seen, are overreacting based on a tech demo that everyone should already know by now based on the articles that the game is not finished yet. Hell, it hasn't even been green lit yet let alone gone into alpha testing. So please stop jumping to conclusions. You're just making up facts that don't exist.

Just because CCP has not mentioned vehicles yet it doesn't mean they will definitely not include them at launch. So unless you can prove to everyone here right now that CCP explicitly states that vehicles will not be included at launch I suggest you stop parroting that rumor mill.


Now onto the solutions of this crap:

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Based on how you overreacted over vehicles, I can't take your solutions seriously.

[quote=LOOKMOM NOHANDS][quote=Mobius Wyvern]
As to what you said about AV weapons, very early on CCP stated their intent to set up Assault suits to carry 2 Light weapons specifically so that you could fit AV weapons on your normal suit as well as a rifle of your choice,.

I feel like if they aren't able to figure out balance by now, then adding them "later" isn't going to change that. They're just going to have an infantry only game that suddenly gets vehicles and it will be even worse than it already is.

That really feels like something that needs to be baked in from day one, otherwise we'll end up with some watered down power up system like SW Battlefront. Guess we'll just have to continue the long standing trend of hoping removed assets get returned to the game.

The game hasn't even been released and people are already criticizing the game. Dafuq?

That game can suck all it wants I'm getting it either way lol.