The class base is disappointing to me. Greatly disappointing.

This seems to imply that fittings are going away. Sure, that is easier to balance than the nigh limitless combination of DUST, but really no options is even easier to balance. Doesn't mean it is that great for the game.


My optimism isn't dead but this is disappointing.

That actually is starting to worry me because it looks like they're setting themselves up to make the same mistakes from a different approach.

Keeping the scale too small is one obvious thing- another is that they may actually be planning to take it TOO slow.
For example, not wanting to have vehicles until the infantry game is well-implemented: the big flaw in that is that, once all the infantry aspects are working smoothly, vehicles will throw a wrench into the system by completely changing how the game is played.
It's like when cloaks were first added to Dust- it completely changed how the game is balanced by throwing new strengths and weaknesses at everything, no matter if they directly involved cloaks or not.

A couple of clarifications

It's a project, not a product. There are no guarantees that this is becomes a ccp game.

Is there anything we, as a community, can do to help the project become a product?

You should probably know by now that we have plenty of ambition, just want to do the right things in the right order.

First point: Better start small and get bigger, than start big and have empty 32-vs-32 servers. 16v16 is plenty enough for public matches and get into the game.

I'd rather see these 32v32 maps get released one year later, after the opening of the game, as it could be a great way to introduce corp vs corp planetary conquest for example.

Second point, it does makes sense, but well, things got the get changed anyway right. So better CCP takes a position on it right from the start, than throwing some random unfinished cookies.

classes are essentially the exact same thing as suit roles that Dust had, except now with 99% less sh*t-fits

read this new interview: http://massivelyop.com/2016/04/23/eve-fanfest-2016-project-nova-will-include-territorial-warfare-link-with-eve/

They aren't moving away from that level of potential customization. The man being interviewed here is very clear about that. They are simply making it so that a newbie wont have to worry about that level of complexity right away. There will be pre-fit options but also the ability to dive deeper into it if you choose to. Dont worry

in the last question they asked at the bottom of the interview, they literally said that they plan to give us just as much option to customize as we do in dust. The pre fits are specifically meant to have a smoother new player experience.

Given their vision is to evolve this new project far beyond what Dust could ever have been, and Rattati personally confirmed that planetary conquest gameplay will be returning in some form with large open maps and vehicles, I doubt they'll just be "an afterthought".

See you in Alpha, Mina

@ Mina

What would be the point of vehicles if you only got 3 FPS?

What would be the point of vehicles if v/av weren't balanced, and you got blown to bits in half a second by swarms instantly losing more than a full battle's worth of ISK, or conversely being so overpowered that people don't actually want to play in game modes with vehicles, or people just don't want to play at all because they don't want to deal with it?

This is a FPS first and foremost. They already have essentially 2 vehicle focused games in EVE and Valkyrie. If and when vehicles and AV are added, wouldn't it be best if they are added to an FPS game that isn't a power point, isn't broken by bugs and glitches (just look at the LAV glitch), and fits within the overall game play so that playing vehicles feels rewarding without being unfair?

Whether or not the game goes from project to product, it seems obvious they have their priorities straight.

Remember, Dust didn't have vehicles in the beginning.

Neither will Nova. The difference is that Nova will have a much better start in comparison. I have faith that vehicles will be an integral part of the game when they do get added AND I bet they'll be even more fun to play in then in Dust.

What role does the mech fill that your powered suit and super weapons doesn't?
If you can't come up with one, then your mech has to be balanced 1v1 with any drop suit and it becomes just another expensive drop suit.

What do you mean?

http://massivelyop.com/2016/04/23/eve-fanfest-2016-project-nova-will-include-territorial-warfare-link-with-eve/

This is a new interview. it answers pretty much all the negative thoughts people were having. Read the last question at the bottom of the page. Apparently, this game should have just as much customization as dust or at least close to it. It'll just be presented in a different way so that new players have an easier time.

To me, vehicles were a large part of what made dust interesting, despite their overall poor implementation, lack of roles and general inability to do things - I have friends who saw casual dust gameplay of me flying a dropship and went "Holy ****, that's so different from other shooters - you can actually choose that as a role not a temporary powerup!". If they're integrated from the start all three of those can be addressed - they can be an important asset and intended feature. The later you add them the more you run the risk of them being overpowered or useless and without a meaningful role.

I find that claiming dust to be a "FPS first and foremost" is somewhat dishonest, they had a lot of things that they wanted to try - and a lot of them were they to be embraced could actually make a great game, with meaningful multi-level gameplay. Stating that Nova should be a "FPS first and foremost" is IMO a bad idea because while it should have good FPS gameplay, it also gets rid of things that made dust unique and enjoyable. If you start at square zero with the idea that "I want this to be in a game, and I want it to be something that always has the potential to be useful", you can start with balance in mind.

Neither eve nor valkyrie are what I'm looking in terms of "vehicle gameplay", because one is a glorified naval spreadsheet sim (that I have played since somewhere around 2007 and let my sub lapse multiple times), and the other is a fighter-jet game (with rather expensive peripherals requried). Dust provided combined arms (not well, but it did provide it).

I suggest you to read game lore(https://dust514.com/media/fiction/).

A couple of clarifications

It's a project, not a product. There are no guarantees that this is becomes a ccp game. Fanfest 2016 is a stepping stone for us like Valkyrie and Gunjack and prior Fanfests. That's a bit intimidating. Good that the response is quite positive in the Mission Debrief room where we have personally talked to the hundreds of players who tried it.

It's obviously 16v16, 6v6 for demo purposes

Obviously there is risk/reward, progression and customization, but no offense, not a carbon copy of the way it was in dust 514.

3 Classes (HEavy Support, Main Frontline, Light Recon) each of which branches into Vanguard/Sentinel, ASsault/Support, Sharpshooter/Infiltrator. Each of these 6 roles will branch into themed Faction Role Specializations (Amarr Sentinel = Templar) for a total of 32.

We are using feedback from 3 years of dust, fix the performance and the shooting mechanics. It's interesting to see the sentiment change over night. You should probably know by now that we have plenty of ambition, just want to do the right things in the right order.

An example of gameplay that we took the opportunity to fix on the way, basically just describing what we have at Fanfest, not what may come in the future.

There is now a Scan range circle on your minimap, its width is your scan range, and it's precision is a fall off curve, so ewar is no longer binary.

We also have dynamic scan profiles, crouching lowers, sprinting and firing raises

We also fixed all the FOV/tags/cloak overlaps, f.e.x there is no tag on your head, regardless of scanned status when cloaked

Double jump is enabled by a Gear called Jump Jets

In this build we have active infantry modules, but we will refer to them all as equipment. Plan is for way more play/counterplay with active reps/hardening/dmg mods so fights are less predictable. These mods will have cooldowns and icons on the HUD, familiar to vehicle users from dust

Grenades are equipment, you can toggle to them on the equipment to cook them or quick throw using G

Some VFX that may be lost in the frantic hands of players not familiar with dust

You can see the 5 states of shield on your glove, shield idle, shield shatter, shield starts to recharge, shield pulse and shield 100% filled, pretty nifty (also in third person)

Sniper has double zoom, and a delayed accuracy mode (no quick scoping)

Gatling Gun only has invert spread when zooming, making the two view modes completely different, allowing for pin point accuracy at mid to long range, full mayhem with hipfire at short to mid. Overheat bar circles the lower right quadrant of the reticule.

There is a 3d hit indication arrow replacing the red edge effect, so the shield/armor post process now works as a 2d indicator, for additional situational awareness.

Smart deploy now uses all Uplinks on the map /player, CRU, etc and tries to put you close to battle based on friends and enemies with the back as a last resort, it works quite well to put you near the action. You can also pick your location on the TacMAP

You see the role icon of the loadout you are aiming at (f.ex. if you are not sure if its a vanguard or a sentinel at long range)

There is probably some more stuff that I am forgetting. Gotta head back to Harpa.

So are we still on the "Burn CCP" pitchfork witchhunt? Couldnt be bothered to read trough the threadnought.