So it will always be a lobby shooter.




Your predecessors had a lot of ambition as well. But since you are aiming to make a 16 v 16 lobby shooter, you aren't really that ambitious.




Top sign you don't know what a hardcore shooter is, you want jump jets.

Anyway, best of luck making a cookie cutter lobby shooter. I'll be off looking for devs who want to make new games, not just respin a mashup of UT2003 and BF2142, with less players.

Thank you for the clarifications.

But I remain with three questions.

1. What should I play between 1 june and the release of Nova?
2. What are the system requirements of Nova? (will a gtx 950 be sufficient for high settings, ultra not required)
3. What will happen to the vehicles? no vehicles will make nova less interesting to me

and my gues for the 4 times 6 is 32 racial suit/roles would be the pilot suit and MTAC, but that may remain a suprise.

Goodluck

theres a 5th race apparently, that everyone starts out as. its just a generic clone race. progression is something like this i think:

generic clone race : heavy, medium, and light

these then upgrade into more specialized generic clone variants: Vanguard/Sentinel, Assault/Support, Sharpshooter/Infiltrator

after that you can upgrade into the actual factional variants of each race based on the previous 6 roles. the math doesnt add up but you can visualize the idea behind it.

What's the point of an MMO shooter if it can't even play the part of "shooter" right?

Rattati said specifically that they are focusing on making the gameplay as pristine as possible... then adding in MORE mmo elements.

I'm not sure about the generic race. Apart from determining starting skills your choice of race doesn't restrict you to only that races equipment. So picking a race when you start a character doesn't matter all that much if you ask me.

It could work as a kind of extended tutorial though. You start the game as "John Everyclone" and by completing the initial missions (thereby learning the basics of the game, being introduced to the races, and the different play styles available) you eventually come to the notice of the four empires who then invite you to enlist, thereby unlocking the next tier of missions/gamemodes/unlocks.

What do you mean?

http://massivelyop.com/2016/04/23/eve-fanfest-2016-project-nova-will-include-territorial-warfare-link-with-eve/

This is a new interview. it answers pretty much all the negative thoughts people were having. Read the last question at the bottom of the page. Apparently, this game should have just as much customization as dust or at least close to it. It'll just be presented in a different way so that new players have an easier time.

I sense much butthurt in this one..you don't like what you see? Go away and come back when it's to your liking..for now CCP will make everything smooth and we'll help them get it right..you can wait till the final product is ready

Probably not, unless the design heads in a drastically different direction I'm really not all that interested... and with "expert" individuals like yourself gathering feedback (lol) I'm pretty sure it'll never go in that direction.

Have fun with bland mediocrity Aeon.

@ Mina

What would be the point of vehicles if you only got 3 FPS?

What would be the point of vehicles if v/av weren't balanced, and you got blown to bits in half a second by swarms instantly losing more than a full battle's worth of ISK, or conversely being so overpowered that people don't actually want to play in game modes with vehicles, or people just don't want to play at all because they don't want to deal with it?

This is a FPS first and foremost. They already have essentially 2 vehicle focused games in EVE and Valkyrie. If and when vehicles and AV are added, wouldn't it be best if they are added to an FPS game that isn't a power point, isn't broken by bugs and glitches (just look at the LAV glitch), and fits within the overall game play so that playing vehicles feels rewarding without being unfair?

Whether or not the game goes from project to product, it seems obvious they have their priorities straight.

To me, vehicles were a large part of what made dust interesting, despite their overall poor implementation, lack of roles and general inability to do things - I have friends who saw casual dust gameplay of me flying a dropship and went "Holy ****, that's so different from other shooters - you can actually choose that as a role not a temporary powerup!". If they're integrated from the start all three of those can be addressed - they can be an important asset and intended feature. The later you add them the more you run the risk of them being overpowered or useless and without a meaningful role.

I find that claiming dust to be a "FPS first and foremost" is somewhat dishonest, they had a lot of things that they wanted to try - and a lot of them were they to be embraced could actually make a great game, with meaningful multi-level gameplay. Stating that Nova should be a "FPS first and foremost" is IMO a bad idea because while it should have good FPS gameplay, it also gets rid of things that made dust unique and enjoyable. If you start at square zero with the idea that "I want this to be in a game, and I want it to be something that always has the potential to be useful", you can start with balance in mind.

Neither eve nor valkyrie are what I'm looking in terms of "vehicle gameplay", because one is a glorified naval spreadsheet sim (that I have played since somewhere around 2007 and let my sub lapse multiple times), and the other is a fighter-jet game (with rather expensive peripherals requried). Dust provided combined arms (not well, but it did provide it).

I get where your coming from. But I really think you should be a little more optimistic. The new interviews coming out say that they fully intend for there to be planetary conquest with vehicles.

The only caveat is that before they get to the "grand" ideas they want to make sure the game has a solid "foundation" to work off of. Think about it. How many times did you call in a tank for the drop ship to clip into a building and have it blow up? Or maybe you got a tank called in but your game hard froze because of performance issues. Or maybe you just couldn't get a good shot off because of how low the FPS were or maybe the graphics were so bad that your eyes started bleeding and couldn't see things perfectly. These were all issues that plagued dust.

I think its good of CCP to say "lets get the core done right first then add on more complex things" The core being game stability, fluidity, and first person shooter mechanics. This is a FPS after all. Then naturally if they want the game to gain any sort of identity they will add vehicle combat, planetary conquest, capital ship sieges and eve/nova links. Its kind of a necessity for them to do that in order for the game to be successful.

I really believe the only thing CCP has done wrong with nova so far was how they went about announcing it. They bungled the announcement. But the interviews that have come out since then have really redeemed them in my opinion.

This is a FPS after all.

As I've said so many times, vehicles need solid roles distinct from that of infantry. Those roles won't exist on the small maps CCP is starting out with. They will likely arrive when we see the large open maps and those look like they will come in when PC is added back.

The worst thing CCP could do is to throw in vehciles with nothing for them to do except compete with suits for infantry kills. That is what made them impossible to balance in DUST. Once game play gets more sophisticated those vehicle roles will emerge and CCP can build vehciles to match the those roles.

I suspect one of the first roles would be for a proper dropship to ferry troops across the large maps of planetary conquest. Troop transport was easily handled by running and drop uplinks in small DUST maps, killing the main role of the dropship right out of the gate. That's why CCPBlam created the ADS.

The need for a given vehicle MUST be in the game before the vehicle is implemented or we will repeat all the mistakes of DUST.

As an aside, why do we even need to chose a race? We all inhabit generic clones that don't have racial characteristics after all. Yes we can choose racial tech, but we aren't bound by one of those either.

I suggest you to read game lore(https://dust514.com/media/fiction/).

its not an MMO first of all. its flatout a lobby shooter.

they intend to add stuff later on that could make it feel more like a MMO.

"Do you really believe that? Just because someone wrote it, that doesn't make it real, or right. It doesn't make sense." it made me laugh.

In New Eden we also have piracy, slavery, mercenary, traitors and all other colors of rainbow. Just because some born as Amarr it do not mean that He will fight Gallent and Minmatar for entire life.

Setting aside the lore aspects, generic clone/class/roles or whatever it will be I think it is good idea, because it is like replacing H/M/L basic racial suits in dust(12 suits + God know how many militia bpo suits) with 3 suits that serve same purpose.

Not for nothing, but im not sure the phrase "focus on" exactly translates to not considerate of other future development.

You're still assuming so much more than what the evidence suggests. Were you in preproduction meetings? Have you reviewed their timeline or milestone objectives? Have you sat with any developer to QC their code to see what is or is not being planned for?

People were all hot n bothered jumping to short-sighted and irrational conclusions based off a gameplay sequence and the brief uninterested ramblings of someone who probably knows nothing about the game to begin with except for a few superficial bullet points. I know MY boss is an idiot. More so when he tries to pitch projects he is ignorant of. But that's another topic.

Point: they were wrong.

Also, it's not a game. You never demo a sample just to test ideas and working blocks? Once or twice, we've prototyped a scaled back version of something just to test the logic and stability on it's own before translating those discovers to a larger scale.

Perspective helps. That and not assuming.
Assuming is bad. mmmk?

It's not a problem. It doesn't exist yet. Your concern is valid as a hypothetical. Don't define your assumption as fact. This argument is pointless really because it was a tech demo. Not a release. Not a beta. Not an alpha. Nothing exists to draw your lines against yet so why hard line negative what-ifs?

its not an MMO first of all. its flatout a lobby shooter.

they intend to add stuff later on that could make it feel more like a MMO.

In new Eden there are far more then just the four races. And let's be more clear, they are more factions then races, everyone just calls them races. For starters, there is the Jovian faction, and like 8 different pirate factions. The sisters of eve. And concord. The last two groups are neutral groups that exist everywhere in new Eden. So no, you don't have to be born as a clone held back as one of the four races.

In all likelihood, the "starter race" they're talking about will probably be concord

Also: i may have misread somethings (on my phone most of this weekend) but i think you're replying to community comments rather that what ratti said directly. I THINK there may be a break down or oversimplifaction of what's been said (unintentionally by the poster repeating their interpretation of what Ratti said). That MAY change the intent by implying something else by mistake. If you are responding to THAT, then maybe there's our disconnect?

Iderno.

What your talking about is already too complicated for newer players to understand. Nobody coming into the game new without playing eve or dust before is going to understand the significance of what it means to be each race. No new player looks at caldari and says "ah they must be the speedy shield tanked race". If you have that type of system in place at the start, right away your setting up newbies to fail because there going to make choices they don't fully understand the consequences of. And let's be real here, it's unrealistic to ask a new player who just started the game to just completely start over their character because they found out they don't like it. You understand that dust only had like 1-2k active players by the end of it right?

Besides. All of this is a moot point anyway. What your talking about will already exist in game after you create your character. If you want an amar based character, you'll drop your generic suits and start playing exclusively in amar suits and start specializing in your own way. There's literally no difference. The only reason the starter race will exist is to keep it simple for newbros, but like my link said, the game should be just as customizable as dust

Nobody is saying they don't want tanks right away. We just have to be realistic here. If the game starts off with 16 v 16 games and the maps are all small hanger like maps which we found in the demo, then there will be literally nowhere to put tanks or any other vehicle for that matter. The maps literally won't be able to fit them. Early on they said that big open maps won't come back until we have planetary conquest. So I mean, it sucks but the reason vehicles sucked in dust was because of how they lacked a purpose/role due to the maps being so small. The starting maps, if like the demo, will be even smaller then that. The vehicles will come back, just not right away.

My overall point here is that There's absolutely no proof that adding them later is going to make it any more or less harder for them to integrate then adding them straight away. And if ccp could have integrated them well at the start they would have obviously tried. Right now they want to get the core gameplay mechanics down first. Instead of trying to do "everything at once" they want to tackle specific things one at a time. Which I think is just completely logical.

You just contradicted yourself :/ it's just like you said, if the people are reborn in generic clones then their racial background is going to be completely irrelevant. The whole premise of dust is that you started a new life as an immortal mercenary under mordu's legion. A faction separate from the four main ones.

Why should we, including new players, have to lock down and choose a specific race/skill path before we even have a chance to play a game? That's such a huge choice. New players especially, no matter what you write in the in game tutorial, are not going to understand the significance of choosing say, caldari over the amar. It's like asking a person "between these four cars which one would you rather have" but all four of them are covered by a tarp.... The only way to get around this is to offer a fifth, generic, all around faction that takes no SP to train into that will allow us to get a taste for the game before making huge choices like which faction we want to specialize in

Why then?
I mean you can argue other poster's simplifications but that may not be what Ratti said or intends. Seems an empty fight.

Lol. But that will give you brain cancer. Argue the source if there's an argument to be made. Otherwise you're probably just raising your blood pressure for the hell of it.