DUST Search - Why are so many people upset that Nova is currently a lobby shooter?

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Lt Royal wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later.

Actually it really isn't a lobby shooter. I mean there isn't any lobbies in Dust; lobby shooters slap you all in the same "lobby" after each match so you end up playing the same people be they on your team or the other, unless they decide to drop out.

That is what a lobby shooter is...... last time i checked there is none of that in Dust and rather you end up spending 20 mins for that one guy to restock his suits individually.

Lobby Shooter is just a generic term for a shooter where the game consists of instanced matches that have little to no affect on the games that follow or lacks an ongoing battle with no define start or end (planetside 2 for example). Don't get me wrong, Dust is obviously not 100% a lobby shooter but it's fairly close given the only gameplay persistance is Facwar and PC, and I would certainly like to see stuff along those lines in Nova.

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Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 3002	Posted - 2016.04.22 18:47:00 - [1] - Quote I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4714	Posted - 2016.04.22 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote MMO is not a lobby shooter. Plus i never picked lobbies unless it was multiple PC matches. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19882	Posted - 2016.04.22 18:55:00 - [3] - Quote DUST 514 Project Nova Project Nova in the future DUST 514 in the future Easy PC building guide
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12530	Posted - 2016.04.22 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote Looool, too true. Sgt Kirk's Youtube Channel Skype: jadkirk
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7977	Posted - 2016.04.22 20:22:00 - [5] - Quote Everyone crying about losing MMO elements. What MMO elements did we actually have in DUST? Even PC was just another lobby match with different rewards depending on who won the last few battles on that map. Hell it wasn't even a real attack and defense game mode. You could literally port Dust exactly as it is now to unreal 4 and on PC......and you would have a lobby shooter. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4714	Posted - 2016.04.22 20:29:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: You could literally port Dust exactly as it is now to unreal 4 and on PC...... And you would have a better demo. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7977	Posted - 2016.04.22 20:39:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: You could literally port Dust exactly as it is now to unreal 4 and on PC...... And you would have a better demo. Tech Demo is not a representation of a game. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 15153	Posted - 2016.04.22 20:46:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: You could literally port Dust exactly as it is now to unreal 4 and on PC...... And you would have a better demo. If you consider things like the LAV glitch and having to spend an hour figuring out fitings before you play the demo "good." Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 1023	Posted - 2016.04.22 20:57:00 - [9] - Quote My concern is that you need people to buy into the vision and CCP are not selling it well, what they are currently offering is pretty generic Wanting to dial back expectations after what was promised with Dust is fair enough, but they've gone too far and they risk creating no excitement about the product outside of existing players Basically I want all the features of EVE except my fighting is done with a laser rifle. ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7978	Posted - 2016.04.22 22:09:00 - [10] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: My concern is that you need people to buy into the vision and CCP are not selling it well, what they are currently offering is pretty generic Wanting to dial back expectations after what was promised with Dust is fair enough, but they've gone too far and they risk creating no excitement about the product outside of existing players Basically I want all the features of EVE except my fighting is done with a laser rifle. I think what Rattati is trying to emphasize is that right now they're focusing on the core engine of the game so that regardless of what New Eden features are put on, the game will still be a really enjoyable shooter. That being said, there is plenty of room for growth off of a solid platform and I don't beleive that Rattati is looking to abandon the roots that Dust came from, which is New Eden. That being said he's also not afraid to shy away from features that may have been very New Eden but may not have made a lot of sense for the scope of the game. Right now we really only know that there are some features that he wants to do away with, but not specifically which ones...and honestly I completely agree that some core elements of DUST did more harm that good. Additionally very little has been said about what degree of New Eden he wants to inject into the game, so it may be very little or it may be a lot...no one knows for sure right now. My guess is that they'll wait for the initial screaming to die down a bit, collect their thoughts from Fanfest and the feedback from the tech demo, and come back in a short while to elaborate more on what the plan is. All in all we should just take a deep breath, give it a little time, and see what happens. Me and the rest of the Biomassed podcast crew are already working on pulling some devs in for an interview so we will hopefully see some of that in the near future as well. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Eternal Beings 4492	Posted - 2016.04.22 22:25:00 - [11] - Quote Cause most lobby shooters in MHO, are filler games. There's not much to them even though it acts like it is, its a game for when waiting for something good to play. There's not much thinking, planning, or strategizing, just 'point, click, YAAAAAY!' Its a decent pace changer but not when most are full of regurgitated crap that's called candy and slightly more colorful. I personally like games that make me think, plan, strategize, adapt, etc. Even though i can't and wont get completely invested in a game with those elements it makes me want to play more. Its interesting because its different. Done ranting i promise. Typed lobby shooters in google, guess what came up? CL, GS & MS, CA & MS, GH & MH, GM & MM are my jam/Logi/objective player first, suck at slayer Am skater w/ ASD
Lt Royal Subdreddit 3384	Posted - 2016.04.22 22:31:00 - [12] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later. Actually it really isn't a lobby shooter. I mean there isn't any lobbies in Dust; lobby shooters slap you all in the same "lobby" after each match so you end up playing the same people be they on your team or the other, unless they decide to drop out. That is what a lobby shooter is...... last time i checked there is none of that in Dust and rather you end up spending 20 mins for that one guy to restock his suits individually. Gÿ£Gÿ¡GÿP Squad Finder : The Royal Legion - Dom (Mic's Please) o7 Gÿ£Gÿ¡GÿP
byte modal 660	Posted - 2016.04.22 22:35:00 - [13] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: My concern is that you need people to buy into the vision and CCP are not selling it well, what they are currently offering is pretty generic Wanting to dial back expectations after what was promised with Dust is fair enough, but they've gone too far and they risk creating no excitement about the product outside of existing players Basically I want all the features of EVE except my fighting is done with a laser rifle. I'm sure there is just a teeny bit more going on. 1) EVE didn't happen so fast. 2) Whoever plays NOTLegion/Nova will evolve with the game, or not. Catering to DUST player mentality is kind of irrelevant in the long run (sadly). The game is already different than what we had yesterday, and will be different even still tomorrow. We either go with it, or leave. New players with new expectations will come and go. Ideally though, a long-term community will develop and stick it out through the thick and thin. Current forum buzz gives me doubt that will be us. 3) In that view, it will be impossible to straddle a line promising the moon (already tried that route) when they're only able to deliver in tiny increments. Players will revolt in the perception of empty promises (as has happened and continues to happen), and simply not endure the patience needed to see larger-scale visions come to be. CCP will then carry a massive black eye and community perception by vets will be of failure. That will be seen by any potentially new player as incompetence effectively pushing any new blood away. Sell a new player on a pipe dream coming 5 years from now? Or be practical, based on hard lessons learned, and project honest obtainable milestones? 4) Features can come in stages, as long as the foundation and core mechanics are sound. Preparing for the future does not mean build the future today in one effort. On the other hand, if that is what is truly desired, then CCP should keep a strict closed door to the community (IMHO). There's no need to brainstorm fantasy objectives knowing that they cannot met 30+% of them. Again, that will be another blemish if all these hypothetical ideas are distributed to the community. Those ideas will undoubtedly be taken as a promise list of featured release notes and, when cut, another revolt will ensue. 5) Presentation was a proof of concept to spark interest and to measure player feedback---that's player feedback from those that played the demo proper, and not second-hand rants (i.e., the dust community in general). D) I suggest, again, that we stop assuming that this demonstration of concept represents the long-term end game of development. Dialing back for the sake of simplifying development to show a demo does not mean obliterating any possibility of MMO or EVE integration. While I concede that at the end of the day when NOVA is at its final stage for release those features may not exist, I cannot stress enough that we must stop assuming that possibility is the only outcome. Based on the information available to us, we have no idea. Let's all stop pretending we do? Basically, I too want all the features of EVE, except in my case I prefer the HMG. I see nothing presented here that says that is never going to happen in the longer term development. That is assuming all of our fussing here doesn't echo to the higher-ups effectively overpowering any true positive influence and traction this "game" might otherwise get. It's the squeaky wheel that get's the oil and all that. Just, in this case, we don't get oil. We get shut down because overwhelming opinions are negative. But I'm just a scrub, so take that with a grain of salt. o.O le mew. kitten bacon taco (nom)
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.04.22 22:39:00 - [14] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later. Actually it really isn't a lobby shooter. I mean there isn't any lobbies in Dust; lobby shooters slap you all in the same "lobby" after each match so you end up playing the same people be they on your team or the other, unless they decide to drop out. That is what a lobby shooter is...... last time i checked there is none of that in Dust and rather you end up spending 20 mins for that one guy to restock his suits individually. dust is a lobby shooter for the majority of players . We don't care , only the pu ssy unlimited isk stompers care and continue to play these unbalanced matches
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13271	Posted - 2016.04.22 22:46:00 - [15] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later. Actually it really isn't a lobby shooter. I mean there isn't any lobbies in Dust; lobby shooters slap you all in the same "lobby" after each match so you end up playing the same people be they on your team or the other, unless they decide to drop out. That is what a lobby shooter is...... last time i checked there is none of that in Dust and rather you end up spending 20 mins for that one guy to restock his suits individually. Dust IS a lobby shooter. It's even more of a lobby shooter when you go into FW and see nothing but the same corp steamrolling your ass match after match. I don't care what anyone says. Dust is a lobby shooter and nothing you say will change that fact. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7983	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:00:00 - [16] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later. Actually it really isn't a lobby shooter. I mean there isn't any lobbies in Dust; lobby shooters slap you all in the same "lobby" after each match so you end up playing the same people be they on your team or the other, unless they decide to drop out. That is what a lobby shooter is...... last time i checked there is none of that in Dust and rather you end up spending 20 mins for that one guy to restock his suits individually. Lobby Shooter is just a generic term for a shooter where the game consists of instanced matches that have little to no affect on the games that follow or lacks an ongoing battle with no define start or end (planetside 2 for example). Don't get me wrong, Dust is obviously not 100% a lobby shooter but it's fairly close given the only gameplay persistance is Facwar and PC, and I would certainly like to see stuff along those lines in Nova. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13272	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:03:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Lt Royal wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: I mean in retrospect we played a lobby shooter for the last 3 years. At least now CCP is honest that they are currently just developing a lobby shooter and want to add more stuff later. Actually it really isn't a lobby shooter. I mean there isn't any lobbies in Dust; lobby shooters slap you all in the same "lobby" after each match so you end up playing the same people be they on your team or the other, unless they decide to drop out. That is what a lobby shooter is...... last time i checked there is none of that in Dust and rather you end up spending 20 mins for that one guy to restock his suits individually. Lobby Shooter is just a generic term for a shooter where the game consists of instanced matches that have little to no affect on the games that follow or lacks an ongoing battle with no define start or end (planetside 2 for example). Don't get me wrong, Dust is obviously not 100% a lobby shooter but it's fairly close given the only gameplay persistance is Facwar and PC, and I would certainly like to see stuff along those lines in Nova. It's a lobby shooter to me. No open world available and every match was instanced with very little effect on Eve with the exception of Planetary Conquest. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1618	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:05:00 - [18] - Quote Bathophobia mixed with macrophobia. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:29:00 - [19] - Quote nobody wants to hear this on forums idc fu ck you, most of us never experienced the wonderful aspects of dust like PC. But we don't care because it's a lobby shooter for most of players . We don't have memories of awesome PC battles from 2014. It's a lobby shooter . And alot of old school players never experienced PC, only the unlimited isk exploiters stuck around long enough to enjoy the mmo aspects of the game
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote we log on, pick any suite and try to find balanced match and leave a half hour later

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13274	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:39:00 - [21] - Quote OVERLORD GUCI wrote: we log on, pick any suite and try to find balanced match and leave a half hour later We log on, log off, log on again. VALHALLA! Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:54:00 - [22] - Quote our oppinions are not valued by CCP . The game failed along time ago and the playerbase is responsible .Everyday an unlimited isk player permanently runs off a random. You guys farmed so much, you'll use officer gear until the end
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.04.22 23:58:00 - [23] - Quote Everyone stopped complaining about empty matches . Did you stop playing ? LOL
OVERLORD GUCI Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2016.04.23 01:42:00 - [24] - Quote 1% of the 1% participated in orbital bombardment. your input isn't needed for this new game
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 3002	Posted - 2016.04.23 08:59:00 - [25] - Quote OVERLORD GUCI wrote: 1% of the 1% participated in orbital bombardment. your input isn't needed for this new game Interestingly enough in eve online they introduce an item which can only exist once in the universe. Not even to mentoon that citadels themselves look like content for the 1% only. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 2017	Posted - 2016.04.23 10:42:00 - [26] - Quote They're starting small and building up. Or do we want a ****** gun game again to compromise for the MMO feel? I mean, people QQing and this is only a demo. I would imagine people wouldn't care enough to say "okay this is my last post" and crap but apparently they do lol. Whatever, lol. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com


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