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Posted - 2016.02.04 09:44:00 -
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GetShotUp wrote:I guess the division it is.
Yeah, looks like most of us console players will be going to The Division. I've already played the beta and it was very good IMO.
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Posted - 2016.02.04 10:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Seems like console gamers are as closed minded as the systems they are playing on.
As a guy who normally plays on PC, I had no problems just picking up Dust on PS3.
Seems like most PC gamers are as mindless as the point and click shooters they play. And this is coming from an ex-PC gamer who also had no issues using a DS3 or a M/KB.
Really though, this is a console game, moving to PC, where most current players would rather not play. Why attack the console players who are a little butthurt that a game they enjoy is moving to PC?
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Posted - 2016.02.04 10:29:00 -
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Spark Kincade wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Seems like console gamers are as closed minded as the systems they are playing on.
As a guy who normally plays on PC, I had no problems just picking up Dust on PS3. Seems like most PC gamers are as mindless as the point and click shooters they play. And this is coming from an ex-PC gamer who also had no issues using a DS3 or a M/KB. Really though, this is a console game, moving to PC, where most current players would rather not play. Why attack the console players who are a little butthurt that a game they enjoy is moving to PC? I think the idea was to suck it up and go to where the game is like the PC players did who had to buy a PS3 to play this three years ago. Segragating yourself into arbitrary camps of being a 'console gamers' or 'PC gamer' is the dumbest concept I've heard in gaming. "We are console gamers, we dont just drop a ps controller and pickup a keyboard". Why the **** not? It makes no sense especially now that gaming platforms are so homogenous.
Because the communities are very different. PC gamers tend to be older, (im 30, and young for a PC gamer.) PC players also tend to have a "can't lose" attitude, spreadsheeting and powergaming, even going as far as creating hacks to win.
While console gamers tend to be younger and more laid back, playing mainly to have fun rather than prove he has the biggest pixel-peen around. Not to say that console gamers are not competitive though.
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Posted - 2016.02.04 10:52:00 -
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pejczyk wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Seems like console gamers are as closed minded as the systems they are playing on.
As a guy who normally plays on PC, I had no problems just picking up Dust on PS3. Seems like most PC gamers are as mindless as the point and click shooters they play. And this is coming from an ex-PC gamer who also had no issues using a DS3 or a M/KB. Really though, this is a console game, moving to PC, where most current players would rather not play. Why attack the console players who are a little butthurt that a game they enjoy is moving to PC? Stop kidding yourself, no one is going to make a choice of platform based on what "current players" think. If it was reasonable, dust would not be dead by may. Apart from that it's pretty obvious that ccp failed ALSO because they decided to release on (old) console hardware. And if that's not enough, it's supposed to be a tactical game. You don't see ARMA or similar games on consoles, do you? You know why? because console players want COD ffs, not a "thinking man's shooter". Because they can't ******* aim (shots fired)
Right, because the Tom Clancy games have done so horribly on consoles. Watch The Division be GotY, then tell me tactical shooters have no place on console.
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:02:00 -
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Lol, have you seen the eve online nerd rage vids? And the worst part is, those are adult men screaming like kids. Im pretty sure grath's rage after losing his 9000 USD ship or whatever it was is one of the most well known rage bits to exist online. Wasn't it even put up on the wallstreet market webpage or some ****?
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:09:00 -
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Spark Kincade wrote:P14GU3 wrote:pejczyk wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Seems like console gamers are as closed minded as the systems they are playing on.
As a guy who normally plays on PC, I had no problems just picking up Dust on PS3. Seems like most PC gamers are as mindless as the point and click shooters they play. And this is coming from an ex-PC gamer who also had no issues using a DS3 or a M/KB. Really though, this is a console game, moving to PC, where most current players would rather not play. Why attack the console players who are a little butthurt that a game they enjoy is moving to PC? Stop kidding yourself, no one is going to make a choice of platform based on what "current players" think. If it was reasonable, dust would not be dead by may. Apart from that it's pretty obvious that ccp failed ALSO because they decided to release on (old) console hardware. And if that's not enough, it's supposed to be a tactical game. You don't see ARMA or similar games on consoles, do you? You know why? because console players want COD ffs, not a "thinking man's shooter". Because they can't ******* aim (shots fired) Right, because the Tom Clancy games have done so horribly on consoles. Watch The Division be GotY, then tell me tactical shooters have no place on console. I don't classify The Division as a tactical shooter, but then again I wouldn't consider DUST a tactical shooter either. The Tom Clancy series did away with the meat of tactical gameplay for over a decade (have yet to try Siege though). Like, not since Ghost Recon Desert Siege or Rainbow Six 3 were Tom Clancy games truely tactical, and that was 2004.
Ok call them "cover shooters" now, but they are a far-cry from the CoDs that you claim all console players want. I honestly haven't played a CoD since BlOps2, and have never played any multiplayer Halo. The truth is, there are a lot of ex-pc players, hardcore gamers, who play console now because it is simply a better experience. Games like ARMA are starting to come to consoles, and are being recieved quite well by the console community. Are there still casual kiddies who will pick up the next 12 graphic updated iterations of CoD in the millions? Of course, that wont change.
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:38:00 -
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We will have to wait until E3 to see, but arma 4, RUST, and Day-Z are all in the works for PS4 if rumors are correct. The devs at bohemian said that arma 3 wont make it, but the have a devkit already ready for arma4.
Truth is, we have yet to see a real "next gen" game released. Most of the games out right now started development on ps3 or a crude ps4 devkit. Devs are just now realizing what can be done with the current gen.
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:02:00 -
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Spark Kincade wrote:P14GU3 wrote:We will have to wait until E3 to see, but arma 4, RUST, and Day-Z are all in the works for PS4 if rumors are correct. The devs at bohemian said that arma 3 wont make it, but the have a devkit already ready for arma4.
Truth is, we have yet to see a real "next gen" game released. Most of the games out right now started development on ps3 or a crude ps4 devkit. Devs are just now realizing what can be done with the current gen. Haven't heard any rumors about ArmA 4 not even with a Google search, and Rust and Day Z are definitely not tactical shooters (Rust certainly isn't, it's as arcade as they come). They're survival games which is a new and interesting genre in it's own right. Well if that's the case then this generation is super SLOW. They better get started then because it's already been over two years and I only expect five years before the PS5 is out. Hell, the next Nintendo console is already releasing this year. I also beleive we have seen plenty of next-gen games, but like I said they're not niche genres but mass market ones like GTA and CoD etc. Current tactical shooters I'd consider to be ArmA 3, Red Orchestra 2, Squad (which is FANTASTIC), Star Citizen FPS mode, Ground Branch and possibly Insurgency.
Cant find the article I read recently but I found one from nearly two years ago in which they had a discussion with a developer. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-24-bohemia-rules-out-consoles-for-arma-3
And GTAV is in no way next-gen. I own it on ps3. Everyone knows that CoD just gets a polishing pass for next year. The few games I have seen to be completely next gen, have been games like ESO and the witcher 3, which were some of the first games into development for next-gen. The Division and Mirror's Edge: Catalyst will be truly next-gen games, and they are already blowing previous titles out of the water, before release!
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:14:00 -
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pejczyk wrote:P14GU3 wrote:
Right, because the Tom Clancy games have done so horribly on consoles. Watch The Division be GotY, then tell me tactical shooters have no place on console.
TACTICAL?? https://youtu.be/OHW8TZzlGVM?t=45splease watch 2 minutes of this gameplay and come back here and tell me it's tactical. THEY HAVE HEALTH BARS AND LEVELS... dude, that's World of Warcraft with guns, what are you high on? I really feel console players have very different perspective on what means "tactical" for me , tactical is VERY VERY low TTK, less dancing and shooting, more sneaking, gathering intel, positioning, gear.\ but looking at dust bunnies, tactical means enough TTK to make a sandwich in the meantime, duels are decided by who has the highscore in dance dance revolution, whatever you do, just DON'T TRY TO AIM IN A CROUCHED POSITION!!
Actually very low TTK is the opposite of a tactical shooter. Look at CoD and BF, they have extremely low TTK and are called "twitch" shooters because they rely on quick reflexes and awareness. Tactical shooters rely on actual tactics, such as placement, weapon choice, ect. Why would weapon choice mean anything if they all kill at 100m in one shot?
Most modern tactical shooters have evolved into "cover" shooters now, but they still have more roots in tactical shooters than twitch shooters.
The words have evolved over the years. Just like "hardcore and casual" have. Hardcore used to mean, if you died you lost everything and started over, and casual meant, well, not that..
Now hardcore means "I have no life and play all day, whereas casual means I can only play a couple hours a week.
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