Tier it off. One Extra High Slot for Incy and One Extra Low for Python. Done. End of discussion.

Done. Fixed it, thank you. End of discussion. Believe me.

Presentation?

... Can we work together?? You want anything to test, I gotchu.

Anyway, python needs both a small sHP buff and increased PG. It isn't right that any python fit w/o a PG upgrade is pretty much gimped.

The small sHP buff.... Probably 10-15% (150-200 sHP).. Sure it's not much but base eHP should at least have a little survivability on it's own.

The reason why I say no to tiered dropships is the incubus will become the flying madrugar.

We don't need flying madrugars. Imagine fits that even look at AV and laugh... See an enemy ADS and laugh. Knowing how volatile the community is towards ADS (according to history), that's begging for another nerf to ADS.

I always want about 5-10% (150-250) more aHP on the incubus because base aHP vanishes with proto swarms (they hit like wyr breach....) but that's just my selfish desire to survive a wyr breach

Is the next step having x-1 x/1 and xx0 variants for each vehicle - having pg and cpu adjusted accordingly?

I don't see many people running armour-based aerial vehicles, shield is the way to go due to speed and shield hardeners when AV (apart from flux but you don't flux dropships very often) is based on penetrating armour.

You need both sides of the coin to start talking about properly balancing the ships.

You need the 2 types of ship with the 2 types of AV, each one either more effective or less effective to whichever ship in whichever combination, then it can all be balanced properly.

http://imgur.com/xzJo3c5

These are just pub stats but that's with 3-6 av on me and my gunner every match. What would it look like with innate resistance? I don't think av is the problem but rather lack of balance between mods creating only a few viable fits. Shield boosters to multiple pulses, passive armour reps nerfed and active armour reps brought back. Swarms are near useless against the ads with its superior range.

- Shield DSs are so much more fragile than armor ones, that they are very impractical to use in almost any situation.

- Armor dropships are survivable enough with proper piloting and fitting. Proper being pilot really flies according to ship's weaknesses...

- Not sure if this goes for the 'OP MCC' category, but: ADS pilot gun system is very bad, because A) it is wonky and force resets itself B) ADS blocks the view on the ground and C) the much complained low infantry render distance hinders in targetfinding as well.

They're both python fits, just so you know.

python is much more survivable than the incubis vs av actually with higher resistance and more generally in it's viable fits. It also has the bonus to missiles making it beget for anti av. While the incubis can provided more sustained action with passive reps and longer active hardeners. It gets its bonus to rails also. This makes it perfect for anti vehicles. The v roles are very well defined

Humble me and join sqd sometime. I will show you the light.

The rof bonus is a touchy subject. Vs an HAV yes it isn't as noticeable but in a2a any more could throw the balance off. The heat build up is not per shot but time based in this game as with a scr and auch. (I believe) so a bonus to rof is a bonus to heat build up in a sense.

Edit again: also without an AB you leave yourself vulnerable to any properly fit python leaving you unable to achieve the primary role of the incubis which is anti air. A light assault vehicle with a light turret should be harder to use to kill an HAV and it is not impossible still as you have windows of opportunity when it's hardeners go off and you hot bit in the sweet spot just a few times.

Simple fitting and tactics errors as I stated.

I understand the issue with rendering infantry but the run away and reengagement strat makes it easier to bare fir now. Also a performance issue in the game like that shouldn't be balanced around but simply fixed. So with that in mind it has no place in a balancing conversation and is a separate issue.

Playing as a team is what makes an ads op. Dust Fiend has some good vids up even if his rust is showing

I'm constructing a proposal with three possible variations that goes from minor-complete overhaul. I've got all I need for LAV/HAV, now I just need to bask in a thread like this.

My goal for ads would be for a fully skilled pilot to be able to tank a full wyrk volley. Second volley would be the risk/reward decision time thing.

PLC impact physics are more deadly to DS than the damage, and really require a dead aim and a good lead.

Forge is either zero threat (shooter can't lead) or deadly (shooter can lead) and for DS I'd like to keep it that way.

Large turrets are large turrets. Sorry about our luck. They were meant to scare vehicles. I've lost more vehicles to unmanned rails than to any other source. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

Once I get something tangible for us to point at and read, I'll start the AV collaboration to finish up all the angles. Then we put it all beside each other and argue some more. And then, maybe then we will have something worth presenting to CCP.


So don't get too excited. You'll see 1.3 long before this gels.

Last thing. This is not strictly true, as you have a greater range. After the first flight you can usually figure out where the swarms are and hit them from a place you can't be hit. Even with rendering issues I find once you know where they are you can get close enough to render them and still be out of lock range. There is usually no need to run a second time. This is with missiles not rails, which are designed for this.

Gunners always welcome :) I'll just kick my buddy back into his tank to kd pad some more and rise above the scrub known as duna. #kingscrub. <- that's me

I'm a god-awful pilot. But I'll pop in there tomorrow just to keep up on active pilots thoughts.