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kiarbanor wrote:

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

I know it has been brought up before, but the main issue of porting over all your SP and "stuff" is not because of the advantage it will give vets over noobs. Think about it: are they going to reset everyone every year the game is out to make sure new players are on an even playing field? It's all about matchmaking and different game modes, including PvE.

To me, the big question is time and resources. Is it worth CCP's time (which ='s $$$) to have developers figure out a way to port all that information, even though 90% (just guessing) of the accounts are inactive and will never play Dust again, no matter the platform.

It will be much more intelligent for CCP to focus all their developers on making the "new" Dust competitive with all the other games on the market. And they have a long way to go for that to happen.

The only way I see all our stuff being ported is if we paid a steep price to make it happen, like $60. Then that might be worth developer's time.

Actually Dust is already competitive. Its also still making money according yo CCP. Prob the main reason its not yet ported. Dust will ALWAYS be a small community. Im cool with that. You dont need a 100,000 player count to be successful . Dust is not and should not be for everyone. But slapping it on next gen is a must. PC or console. Im confident it will happen.

I don't have the numbers to argue--don't even know where to find them--but I truly don't think Dust is competitive when you look at how a lot of the F2P games on PS4 are doing. I say "competitive" in the sense of owning a significant market share of the F2P playerbase.

Dust may have a decent market share on PS3, but when compared to all the other platforms, I'm willing to bet they are in the bottom 5%.

And Dust being profitable for CCP is an entirely different conversation and has nothing to do with market competitiveness.

As for the "small community," I don't think CCP will agree with you. Well, if they are a true business they won't agree with you. The more players, the more $$$. The more $$$, the more (and better) developers they can employee. The more developers they employ, the better they can make their games and market their games, which--in turn--brings in more players. The loop continues.

Yes, Dust (or the new game) won't market to everyone, but you can say that about every single game ever made.

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Cpl Foster USMC Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:32:00 - [1] - Quote CCP ported over to PS4 but you had to start over ? Basically DUST 514-2.0 Nothing carried over, no SP, no isk, no gear, but anything you have in stock that you paid real money for would be refunded back to your PSN account... Would you be willing to start from day 1 all over again...? I started '2013-05-21 18:13:00' and I would do it....for a game that would work better. Full Time Sniper....
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 409	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:33:00 - [2] - Quote Already confirmed Youtube If I'm online you can find me in the chat channel "corsy"
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 4	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:34:00 - [3] - Quote Vet knowledge > Anything the new berries could have... I mean really they don't know the maps, they don't know what guns do what. they don't know about cores. They don't know what points you're suppose to protect. They don't know what weapons do more damage on armor than shields and what weapons do more damage to shields. Some of them don't even know about the suit bonuses for each race. So YES I would start over... I have a Fan!
EmperoR AjnaS Random Gunz The-Office 643	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:38:00 - [4] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Vet knowledge > Anything the new berries could have... I mean really they don't know the maps, they don't know what guns do what. they don't know about cores. They don't know what points you're suppose to protect. They don't know what weapons do more damage on armor than shields and what weapons do more damage to shields. Some of them don't even know about the suit bonuses for each race. So YES I would start over... But i wont since i have to spent another year to do the same things (they might add some new things ) and after 2 years the cycle might repeat again(if they are stupid for the second time). Min Loyalist Amarr ideology GÖÑAssault gk.0GÖímk.0GÖíck.0GÖÑSentinel ak.0GÖÑLogistics mk.0
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:42:00 - [5] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: CCP ported over to PS4 but you had to start over ? Basically DUST 514-2.0 Nothing carried over, no SP, no isk, no gear, but anything you have in stock that you paid real money for would be refunded back to your PSN account... Would you be willing to start from day 1 all over again...? I started '2013-05-21 18:13:00' and I would do it....for a game that would work better. I would play, cos then thr true slayers will show through SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:51:00 - [6] - Quote I would be utterly disappointed and would never look at this game again in my life. I worked hard for my Skill Points, I DO NOT want them to be wiped, starting all over again without any SP would make no sense and would be IMMORAL. PORTDUST514TOPC May God have mercy for my enemies because I won't. - George S. Patton Jr.
Yoda Boss Dem Durrty Boyz 648	Posted - 2016.01.31 16:50:00 - [7] - Quote After you enjoyed your happy meal at McDonald's you don't go to the employee and ask for a refund. Same applies here. People who think they will be getting a refund are delusional. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒGû¬.°n+í¤GÿåGùÅ.° GÖñGÖíTrade/saleGÖºGÖñ
Atiim Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:02:00 - [8] - Quote That's basically 3 years down the drain; I wouldn't even look at this game again. If CCP simply weakened the core skills and proportionally increased the strength of items (greatly lessening the gap between MLT to PRO), and introduced actual, effective matchmakingGäó, a complete reset wouldn't even be necessary. Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Vet knowledge > Anything the new berries could have... I mean really they don't know the maps, they don't know what guns do what. they don't know about cores. They don't know what points you're suppose to protect. They don't know what weapons do more damage on armor than shields and what weapons do more damage to shields. Some of them don't even know about the suit bonuses for each race. So YES I would start over... I know most of the players here are idiots, but you're vastly underestimating the IQ (and Google skills) of the average PC/PS4 player. Half of that list is common sense, and the other can be found easily online or within 2hrs of gameplay. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
jordy mack warravens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:06:00 - [9] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I would be utterly disappointed and would never look at this game again in my life. I worked hard for my Skill Points, I DO NOT want them to be wiped, starting all over again without any SP would make no sense and would be IMMORAL. cmon now, we all earned our SP the same way, nobody wants to start over but to say it is "immoral" and "would make no sense"? what!? how do you figure that? so would you rather stay festering on ps3 in silence, than have a new game released? (if no SP carry over) nobody at ccp owes us anything for our time. they could just give the option to rebirth our char to the new game. then cranky old grandpa's like Taken could stay here and feel entitled while the rest of us get the real future of dust. win/win...? :) Less QQ more PewPew
Atiim Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:07:00 - [10] - Quote Yoda Boss wrote: After you enjoyed your happy meal at McDonald's you don't go to the employee and ask for a refund. Same applies here. People who think they will be getting a refund are delusional. He's being hypothetical for a reason. That aside while I don't think CCP will issue refunds into players' PSN wallets, I doubt they wouldn't give them at least a part of the items' value in AUR. Not a very good example though, If we went to McDonald's and an employee tossed out our plate before we finished our food, both you and I would be asking for a refund. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Yaerus Steel Wolf Pack Special Forces Shadow of Dust 113	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:07:00 - [11] - Quote If it fixed core problems then yes And I started WAY earlier than you =P 2013-01-10 08:22:00
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 4	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:09:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: That's basically 3 years down the drain; I wouldn't even look at this game again. If CCP simply weakened the core skills and proportionally increased the strength of items (greatly lessening the gap between MLT to PRO), and introduced actual, effective matchmakingGäó, a complete reset wouldn't even be necessary. Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Vet knowledge > Anything the new berries could have... I mean really they don't know the maps, they don't know what guns do what. they don't know about cores. They don't know what points you're suppose to protect. They don't know what weapons do more damage on armor than shields and what weapons do more damage to shields. Some of them don't even know about the suit bonuses for each race. So YES I would start over... I know most of the players here are idiots, but you're vastly underestimating the IQ (and Google skills) of the average PC/PS4 player. Half of that list is common sense, and the other can be found easily online or within 2hrs of gameplay. Oh yeah... Totally forgot about that... Totally new Playerbase... Welp, then things will just get interesting! Also i'll still have the knowldege before them though. I have a Fan!
jordy mack warravens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:12:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yoda Boss wrote: After you enjoyed your happy meal at McDonald's you don't go to the employee and ask for a refund. Same applies here. People who think they will be getting a refund are delusional. He's being hypothetical for a reason. That aside while I don't think CCP will issue refunds into players' PSN wallets, I doubt they wouldn't give them at least a part of the items' value in AUR. Not a very good example though, If we went to McDonald's and an employee tossed out our plate before we finished our food, both you and I would be asking for a refund. hurry up and finish your food! i want desert already! and i hate to break it to you but you have already "wasted" that 3 years. Less QQ more PewPew
General Vahzz PIanet Express 338	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:15:00 - [14] - Quote Yaerus Steel wrote: If it fixed core problems then yes And I started WAY earlier than you =P 2013-01-10 08:22:00 I started back in 2012. One of my many mysteries, just how many alts do I have? You can bite my shiny metal ass.
DozersMouse XIII Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:47:00 - [15] - Quote I would trade it all for a port But I would like my lifetime stats transferred Aurum plated booty pistol
Decent Name 14	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:52:00 - [16] - Quote What if... We all died right nao. "How will you get laid without your dick?" - Radiant "I'll just grow another." - D Beast
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:54:00 - [17] - Quote Give me my name and let me retain CEO of Opus Arcana. Don't need anything else. I'll grind. Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:57:00 - [18] - Quote I talk about this a bit in my article: http://biomassed.net/2015/12/19/lessons-from-fanfest-2014/ and I've had a couple threads talking about it as well. Honestly it seems that the community is extremely mixed on this issue, from "I would absolutely not play and would burn CCP HQ to the ground" to "I absolutely WANT them to wipe everything". I think you're going to see a greasefire of varying extremes depending on who you're talking to if this ever happened, and if that is the plan on CCP's end, they're simply going to make it worse if they don't start actively talking about it. As for me personally, while I've sunk a fair amount of cash into the game, I wouldn't freak out if everything got wiped at the time of a port. I would however expect there to be some unique perks to being a veteran such a special skins, BPOs, forum avatars...even some more expansive perks like faster SP generation, ect. For me I just want to feel like my time and effort spent on this game means something moving forward, even if it's not a 1:1 transfer. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Henrietta Unknown Corrosive Synergy RUST415 2	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:12:00 - [19] - Quote I'd hate for my hard-earned assets to be wiped, but in exchange for an actually good game, I would consent. But this shouldn't have happened in the first place. CCP had an obligation to release a solid game. Semi-active Vet of '13
GeorgeN76 Eden Claims Corp 2	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:12:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I talk about this a bit in my article: http://biomassed.net/2015/12/19/lessons-from-fanfest-2014/ and I've had a couple threads talking about it as well. Honestly it seems that the community is extremely mixed on this issue, from "I would absolutely not play and would burn CCP HQ to the ground" to "I absolutely WANT them to wipe everything". I think you're going to see a greasefire of varying extremes depending on who you're talking to if this ever happened, and if that is the plan on CCP's end, they're simply going to make it worse if they don't start actively talking about it. As for me personally, while I've sunk a fair amount of cash into the game, I wouldn't freak out if everything got wiped at the time of a port. I would however expect there to be some unique perks to being a veteran such a special skins, BPOs, forum avatars...even some more expansive perks like faster SP generation, ect. For me I just want to feel like my time and effort spent on this game means something moving forward, even if it's not a 1:1 transfer. +1 for this idea Scouts and Swarms New Edens Pawn Shop

Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 3	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:22:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: That's basically 3 years down the drain; I wouldn't even look at this game again. If CCP simply weakened the core skills and proportionally increased the strength of items (greatly lessening the gap between MLT to PRO), and introduced actual, effective matchmakingGäó, a complete reset wouldn't even be necessary. Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Vet knowledge > Anything the new berries could have... I mean really they don't know the maps, they don't know what guns do what. they don't know about cores. They don't know what points you're suppose to protect. They don't know what weapons do more damage on armor than shields and what weapons do more damage to shields. Some of them don't even know about the suit bonuses for each race. So YES I would start over... I know most of the players here are idiots, but you're vastly underestimating the IQ (and Google skills) of the average PC/PS4 player. Half of that list is common sense, and the other can be found easily online or within 2hrs of gameplay. The only thing truly needed is spe ration of vets vs noobs through proper matchmaking. Tell me. Is a vet vs a vet both running officer not the equivalent of a noob vs noob in terms of knowledge and experiance? Both tiers would have balanced matches and equal chances. Keeping vets away from Noobs should be the prime priority for dust. It's because of vet that dust isn't growing. All the new players are leaving because they get stomped over and over. The players I once did convicted to play dust all left because of so. CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company Gallente Loyalist - Quafe Gk.0s - 61m SP
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz The-Office 781	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:38:00 - [22] - Quote dont have a ps4, so couldn't play if they ported to ps4, irrelevant question, PC is the future, can have multiplatform ps4 and PC
Nestil Nos Nothi 384	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:44:00 - [23] - Quote EmperoR AjnaS wrote: Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Vet knowledge > Anything the new berries could have... I mean really they don't know the maps, they don't know what guns do what. they don't know about cores. They don't know what points you're suppose to protect. They don't know what weapons do more damage on armor than shields and what weapons do more damage to shields. Some of them don't even know about the suit bonuses for each race. So YES I would start over... But i wont since i have to spent another year to do the same things (they might add some new things ) and after 2 years the cycle might repeat again(if they are stupid for the second time). They should reduce the gap between low and high skilled players by reducing the effectiveness of higher ranked gear and skills.... I mean as example, when you upgrade your cores you can boost your total EHP and DMG output considerably high compared to someone without them. So instead of giving ppl the ability to get an advantage mainly through skillpoints I would suggest to reduce passive skills and increase the base stats of lower tiered gear (suits, weapons and modules). 'LR4-Trading' Protester
grongle hasworth Wolf Pack Special Forces Shadow of Dust 44	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:47:00 - [24] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: CCP ported over to PS4 but you had to start over ? Basically DUST 514-2.0 Nothing carried over, no SP, no isk, no gear, but anything you have in stock that you paid real money for would be refunded back to your PSN account... Would you be willing to start from day 1 all over again...? I started '2013-05-21 18:13:00' and I would do it....for a game that would work better. i would start all over again because i'm not that far in to this game to care. been here about late 1.7 i'm a new pup as of January/17/ 2016
Yaerus Steel Wolf Pack Special Forces Shadow of Dust 113	Posted - 2016.01.31 20:46:00 - [25] - Quote General Vahzz wrote: Yaerus Steel wrote: If it fixed core problems then yes And I started WAY earlier than you =P 2013-01-10 08:22:00 I started back in 2012. One of my many mysteries, just how many alts do I have? Yeah that is the earliest it has as the recorded start time, I started back in alpha when they were still actually doing the rush gamemode. I started the forging of the objectives since they were destructible and you did not actually need to hack them to destroy them.
Yoda Boss Dem Durrty Boyz 649	Posted - 2016.01.31 22:31:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yoda Boss wrote: After you enjoyed your happy meal at McDonald's you don't go to the employee and ask for a refund. Same applies here. People who think they will be getting a refund are delusional. He's being hypothetical for a reason. That aside while I don't think CCP will issue refunds into players' PSN wallets, I doubt they wouldn't give them at least a part of the items' value in AUR. Not a very good example though, If we went to McDonald's and an employee tossed out our plate before we finished our food, both you and I would be asking for a refund. It's all speculations but we're still here playing this game. I'm still eating my happy meal. Nothing has been thrown out. It just got cold. No refunds. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒGû¬.°n+í¤GÿåGùÅ.° GÖñGÖíTrade/saleGÖºGÖñ
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 1	Posted - 2016.01.31 22:54:00 - [27] - Quote I would prefer they just lock my account and open it up whenever they introduce the end game content CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 552	Posted - 2016.02.01 00:02:00 - [28] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: CCP ported over to PS4 but you had to start over ? Basically DUST 514-2.0 Nothing carried over, no SP, no isk, no gear, but anything you have in stock that you paid real money for would be refunded back to your PSN account... Would you be willing to start from day 1 all over again...? I started '2013-05-21 18:13:00' and I would do it....for a game that would work better. I got 120 mil sp, DREN Pack, BPOS, Apex, 3 Years 5 or 600 dollars, and my rep, they could have all that **** for a port. I love Dust more than my character. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 552	Posted - 2016.02.01 00:07:00 - [29] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: dont have a ps4, so couldn't play if they ported to ps4, irrelevant question, PC is the future, can have multiplatform ps4 and PC Actually statistics show PC is not the future consoles very much are. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
jordy mack warravens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.02.01 02:24:00 - [30] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: dont have a ps4, so couldn't play if they ported to ps4, irrelevant question, PC is the future, can have multiplatform ps4 and PC Actually statistics show PC is not the future consoles very much are. 56% of all people know that 99% of statistics only tell 49% of the story. Less QQ more PewPew

SOGZ PANDA warravens Imperium Eden 248	Posted - 2016.02.01 02:57:00 - [31] - Quote Yes. But I would like a prize like a BPO that stated I put up with this ** for this ***** long. But in saying that, there needs to be some sort of SBMM for sp levels. We can't just slap this current MM algorithm in to a port and say it'll work. You'll just have the same issues with the current game that will creep up in a shinier version of dust. Everything needs to be addressed before any port. The assumption is that when ported most if not all of the gameplay issues like FPS and smoothness should be fixed. (to be seen). So MM should be a big one for future dust514. dust is life... ... uncertain, and usually pretty dissapointing.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 580	Posted - 2016.02.01 04:20:00 - [32] - Quote I know it has been brought up before, but the main issue of porting over all your SP and "stuff" is not because of the advantage it will give vets over noobs. Think about it: are they going to reset everyone every year the game is out to make sure new players are on an even playing field? It's all about matchmaking and different game modes, including PvE. To me, the big question is time and resources. Is it worth CCP's time (which ='s $$$) to have developers figure out a way to port all that information, even though 90% (just guessing) of the accounts are inactive and will never play Dust again, no matter the platform. It will be much more intelligent for CCP to focus all their developers on making the "new" Dust competitive with all the other games on the market. And they have a long way to go for that to happen. The only way I see all our stuff being ported is if we paid a steep price to make it happen, like $60. Then that might be worth developer's time.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 554	Posted - 2016.02.01 14:11:00 - [33] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: I know it has been brought up before, but the main issue of porting over all your SP and "stuff" is not because of the advantage it will give vets over noobs. Think about it: are they going to reset everyone every year the game is out to make sure new players are on an even playing field? It's all about matchmaking and different game modes, including PvE. To me, the big question is time and resources. Is it worth CCP's time (which ='s $$$) to have developers figure out a way to port all that information, even though 90% (just guessing) of the accounts are inactive and will never play Dust again, no matter the platform. It will be much more intelligent for CCP to focus all their developers on making the "new" Dust competitive with all the other games on the market. And they have a long way to go for that to happen. The only way I see all our stuff being ported is if we paid a steep price to make it happen, like $60. Then that might be worth developer's time. Actually Dust is already competitive. Its also still making money according yo CCP. Prob the main reason its not yet ported. Dust will ALWAYS be a small community. Im cool with that. You dont need a 100,000 player count to be successful . Dust is not and should not be for everyone. But slapping it on next gen is a must. PC or console. Im confident it will happen. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 580	Posted - 2016.02.01 14:30:00 - [34] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: kiarbanor wrote: I know it has been brought up before, but the main issue of porting over all your SP and "stuff" is not because of the advantage it will give vets over noobs. Think about it: are they going to reset everyone every year the game is out to make sure new players are on an even playing field? It's all about matchmaking and different game modes, including PvE. To me, the big question is time and resources. Is it worth CCP's time (which ='s $$$) to have developers figure out a way to port all that information, even though 90% (just guessing) of the accounts are inactive and will never play Dust again, no matter the platform. It will be much more intelligent for CCP to focus all their developers on making the "new" Dust competitive with all the other games on the market. And they have a long way to go for that to happen. The only way I see all our stuff being ported is if we paid a steep price to make it happen, like $60. Then that might be worth developer's time. Actually Dust is already competitive. Its also still making money according yo CCP. Prob the main reason its not yet ported. Dust will ALWAYS be a small community. Im cool with that. You dont need a 100,000 player count to be successful . Dust is not and should not be for everyone. But slapping it on next gen is a must. PC or console. Im confident it will happen. I don't have the numbers to argue--don't even know where to find them--but I truly don't think Dust is competitive when you look at how a lot of the F2P games on PS4 are doing. I say "competitive" in the sense of owning a significant market share of the F2P playerbase. Dust may have a decent market share on PS3, but when compared to all the other platforms, I'm willing to bet they are in the bottom 5%. And Dust being profitable for CCP is an entirely different conversation and has nothing to do with market competitiveness. As for the "small community," I don't think CCP will agree with you. Well, if they are a true business they won't agree with you. The more players, the more $$$. The more $$$, the more (and better) developers they can employee. The more developers they employ, the better they can make their games and market their games, which--in turn--brings in more players. The loop continues. Yes, Dust (or the new game) won't market to everyone, but you can say that about every single game ever made.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 559	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:14:00 - [35] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: kiarbanor wrote: I know it has been brought up before, but the main issue of porting over all your SP and "stuff" is not because of the advantage it will give vets over noobs. Think about it: are they going to reset everyone every year the game is out to make sure new players are on an even playing field? It's all about matchmaking and different game modes, including PvE. To me, the big question is time and resources. Is it worth CCP's time (which ='s $$$) to have developers figure out a way to port all that information, even though 90% (just guessing) of the accounts are inactive and will never play Dust again, no matter the platform. It will be much more intelligent for CCP to focus all their developers on making the "new" Dust competitive with all the other games on the market. And they have a long way to go for that to happen. The only way I see all our stuff being ported is if we paid a steep price to make it happen, like $60. Then that might be worth developer's time. Actually Dust is already competitive. Its also still making money according yo CCP. Prob the main reason its not yet ported. Dust will ALWAYS be a small community. Im cool with that. You dont need a 100,000 player count to be successful . Dust is not and should not be for everyone. But slapping it on next gen is a must. PC or console. Im confident it will happen. I don't have the numbers to argue--don't even know where to find them--but I truly don't think Dust is competitive when you look at how a lot of the F2P games on PS4 are doing. I say "competitive" in the sense of owning a significant market share of the F2P playerbase. Dust may have a decent market share on PS3, but when compared to all the other platforms, I'm willing to bet they are in the bottom 5%. And Dust being profitable for CCP is an entirely different conversation and has nothing to do with market competitiveness. As for the "small community," I don't think CCP will agree with you. Well, if they are a true business they won't agree with you. The more players, the more $$$. The more $$$, the more (and better) developers they can employee. The more developers they employ, the better they can make their games and market their games, which--in turn--brings in more players. The loop continues. Yes, Dust (or the new game) won't market to everyone, but you can say that about every single game ever made. My point is simple its a niche game. Its not like every other shooter. Cant expect the same player count. The Destiny, BO3, guys are generally not yhe same guys on Dust. Just how it is. BTW Google "Dust is profitable" you will find the article from CCP. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.


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