And seriously, I understand why the new players are leaving the game and don't stay on...

Indeed, for the fun (in reality it was for the event but well... ), I created a secondary account on my PSN account, so only militia stuff and only 500k SP.

Then, I decided to touch nothing at my fitting and directly I went to search a match, and OMG... I'm not the best player, but with 3 years experience, I know what I have to do and I think I'm enough good in 1vs1 to make some resistance but NO!

Impossible to do something against these f*cking proto suits! particularly against gk.0 assault (and even more if they play with the breach rifle!!!). The only way for me to kill these guy was to waiting my teammate and looking when they are pushing the ennemy team, or attack on the back while he focus to another person to have a (little) chance to kill these proto man.

In general, I didn't have really problems to kills Milicia and standart suits. Advanced fits was more hard indeed, but not impossible at all... But against the protos suits, in 1vs1 it's just impossible to win the duel (or he was very very bad). So you can say: "it's normal, he has more SP/time/experience in the game than a new player", and I agree with that, or "you just need to play in teamplay", ok, but when it's a full proto squad, what do you say?

Today I just realize that I also participate at this problem, because in my main I play only in proto too (I'm firstly a PC player), and I prefer not imagine the feeling of a real new player with 0 experience when he start the game...

So to be constructive what are the problem I have seen when you play as a new player?

Hum... first the matchmaking of course, one time I'm in the good side so I'm lucky, and an other time I'm not in the good side and my team is just not enough good to make any resistance against the ennemy team, so it's a... slaughter

-proto suits/weapon, and especially proto squad

-gallente assault DPS (even in std weapon, if the man has the skill at level 5, the DPS is ridiculously high), tactical weapon (srambler too...)

CCP, I hope in Legion/DUST 2.0 you will create a special mode for the new player, with only militia stuff, because it's fun the milicia in reality. I really enjoyed to fight against others militia people, but when a new player fight against proto... hum hum and I'm a little frustrated because I'm pretty sure some of these people are worthless in PC, or with a milicia stuff. Protostomp is too easy indeed...

Ah and, very good idea for the uplink integrated to the prefit milicia, it's cool, but please, make a tuto for new players because I'm sure they don't really know they have uplink (above all in domination lol) in their fits.

What do you think about all that? I would like to know your advise, for my part, my new resolution 2016 is to stop the public proto on my main character (in FW/PC of course I continue of course ). It's maybe too late, but it's better than nothing ^^

Good luck on the battlefield! o/

Now imagine how awful it would be for you to try to do this with NO experience! A true inexperienced new player experience is just awful.

Just use your Militia Locus Grenade. It does 600 damage for Minmatar's sake.

I have said it before and I'll say it a thousand times; tiered gear should be about versatility rather than power.

In the case of DUST, versatility should be inverse to the tier. So, a proto role suit should be less mods and rely on the specific bonuses of that role. Whereas the basic, non-role suits should allow for general, mod based adaptation.

Get rid of the tiers of basic and role suits. You have one basic and one role suit that act as tiers within the same category.

Then, have more bonues specific to the race of the suit. So, the basic allows for cross racial weapon use and add a mod that grants a general weapon bonus to whatever weapon is used. The role suit bonuses would not stack with module and would supercede it.

Boom! A new player can, through mods have the bonuses of a role suit until they can train the suit skill to them allow he bonuses to take over. The vet player also gets to have true mix and match merc fun as well as provide hybrid style support with crossover role potential.


So there! You're welcome Earth.

Can we stop with these long diatribes about the NPE? Seriously dude. Its been years now and 20 dudes composed the same message in the same format.

The NPE in Dust has a tough learning curve. Same as Planetside 2. Same as the Demon's Souls game. Armored Core series. The list goes on.

Keep Dust, Dust.

It probably feels impossible.

You could always cultivate the fine art of militia forge gun sniping. All suits die if your aim is good.

I created a secondary account on my PSN account

Today I just realize that I also participate at this problem, because in my main I play only in proto too (I'm firstly a PC player), and I prefer not imagine the feeling of a real new player with 0 experience when he start the game...

You could always cultivate the fine art of militia forge gun sniping. All suits die if your aim is good.

It's really tough. I've even decided to biomass my new alt. I won't ever play in it anyways. I'll just take its isk.

This is the weird thing about Dust. I've been playing BO3 quite a bit on my PS4. You die almost instantly. If there are people running around in a party they completely destroy everything. In Dust you have a much longer TTK, you have the opportunity to retreat into cover before you are killed (unless you are out in the wide open).

I think the tweaks have to be in the asset loss risk/reward mechanism. I like this part of Dust, but I don't think many humans are able to able to prioritize fun in relation to that mechanism properly.

Do people still play this game?

"Focus on second-to-second play first. Nail it. Move on to minute-to-minute, then session-to-session, then day-to-day, then month-to-month (and so on). If your second-to-second play doesnGÇÖt work, nothing else matters. Along these lines, if your day-to-day fails, no one will care about month-to-month, either."

I feel like you compared two of the opposite example where second to second play does not work really well: you should feel good when you get a kill, as you feel good in doing the right tactical maneuver in order to kill someone.

In cod, ttk is so short that it doesn't really give you satisfaction both because as soon as someone is a bit too much out of your reticle, you're dead and because of kills being so frequent that getting one is not enough satisfactory.

On the other hand, in Dust it takes so much that the satisfaction of getting a kill is negated by the enemy retreating as soon as they see they're in danger (this behavior is actually a mix of "human nature" and the fact that you actually paid in game currency for that suit you're wearing). So the whole game gets slowed down, nobody uses risky tactics and they all opt for the safest spot (or fit) to get an assist/kill without dying. Competitive might be a little different, but the "safest spot boring tactic" is still there.

From my perspective, you should not survive if you run 30 meters under enemy fire, still, you should survive long enough in order to make the game challenging for everyone. Somewhere between Cod and Dust.

Actually, it is statistically proven that new players have it easier NOW more than ever!

Back in my day, new players didn't have the warbarge giving away free ISK.
Back in my day, new players most certainly did not get bonus SP from the warbarge.
They didn't have daily AUR login bonus back then, either.
They did not posess the ability to get amazing items like BPO weapons from Boxes.
Back then, new players didn't have missions to give them money, SP, AUR or Keys.
And back in my day, new players didn't have access to standard-grade suits that have the slot layout of proto suits.

See, new players have it easier today than they did back then. You simply cannot refute the above FACTS.

*conveniently ignores factors like TTK, tier disparity (specifically mods and weapons), Officer gear proliferation, proto gear proliferation, HP/Jump meta, awful match making... etc. etc. etc. that serve to buttfck new players (and veterans, for that matter)*

Any characters on the same PSN would be influenced by the Mu of your main.

I.e. your new character had the same Mu as Richard, even though it was a 'new' character.

Make a new character on a different PSN and you will notice matches won't be as hard.

This is why we need to buff the lower tiers to be closer to proto. There is simply way too much discrepancy in power. If proto was only 10% better than standard, like with weapons, newbros would actually be competitive instead of fodder.

Buffing their fitting allocation would do wonders for them. As it is, a fully maxed out character can't run a militia suit with all slots filled. I don't see how a new players is supposed to handle that.

Hey Richard come play with us on ps4.

It probably feels impossible.

But it isnt just proto suits. Because you can pack tons of hp in an adv sujt with a good gun....dont forget prof and warbage bonuses.

The problem is getting out of mlt suits...they are worthless. If you have a std or adv suit, then you stand a much better chance of facing proto suits.

Officer suits like the rattatis are another story entirely.