LOL noob Vanilla HMG has way higher DPS than the AHMG, something's wrong with your aiming m8.

DPS means nothing when the assault HMG works better.

The Boundless HMG is pretty awesome.

-.- You don't get it, vanilla HMG is meant to SHRED EVERYTHING in close range, Assault HMG is meant to be used in mid-range and as an AV weapon. Everything is as it should be.

HMG wins in CQC, AHMG wins in mid-range. Simple.

-.- You don't get it, vanilla HMG is meant to SHRED EVERYTHING in close range, Assault HMG is meant to be used in mid-range and as an AV weapon. Everything is as it should be.

HMG wins in CQC, AHMG wins in mid-range. Simple.

All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad.

Burst HMG needs a huge buff of heat duration. you cant fire but like 4 bursts because youll overheat, you cant kill another heavy with it. Not properly at least.

All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad.

Don't get me started.

AHMG is a bit less effective than the old HMG used to be.

I pretty much despise the new HMG.

The burst has something like a 25% hits per burst ratio, as tested by thaddeus.

Pretty much IMHO the only reason the AHMG works is hit detection is kinder to lower rate of fire weapons.

I would venture to disagree with you.

You would venture to be incorrect, then.

But if you want to disagree with someone who actually has experience in the competitive side of this game, by all means go nuts. Everyone else does.

Heavies arent bad or broken. It's just they dont survive at long range, open field equals death, and you cant be a sentinel without a logi, its not efffective. unless you use a forge.

Don't get me started.

AHMG is a bit less effective than the old HMG used to be.

I pretty much despise the new HMG.

The burst has something like a 25% hits per burst ratio, as tested by thaddeus.

Pretty much IMHO the only reason the AHMG works is hit detection is kinder to lower rate of fire weapons.

Vanilla HMG is not UP .Its a good in short ranges but it is overshadowed by the AHMG bcoz of its effectiveness in both short -midranges.With vanila hmg u r forced to be in a closed areas but ahmg give u some freedom to roam as a hvy

its non-ironic becasue the proto ahmg is the freedom assault hmg

There's more to it than just that, but not a bad overview.

A heavy with a logi is less effective than two assaults, or even an assault with a logi.

Your point is moot and they hold no tactical advantage in any situation, except the one involving high ground and a forge gun.

PC proves this to be the case every day. I'm not even sure why we're having a discussion about this. Do pub-only players really view balance that differently?


Let me put it this way. An HMG heavy is bad at any range that isn't CQC. He's bad if he doesn't have someone scanning for him. He's bad if he doesn't have someone repping him. He's bad if there are multiple enemies because his gun cant fire long enough to kill them all before it seizes up and he's toast. He's even bad if he has to fight another heavy with a logi setup because his weapon WILL be brought to its absolute heat limit trying to kill him. That's a lot of situations to be bad in.

The heavies ideal situation has a weaker, lesser skilled opponent rushing him down without strafing or doing anything to mask his presence. You might see that a lot in pubs (and you do) but in an actual competitive match that isn't happening too much. There are no advantageous situations for the HMG heavy during competitive games. Just situations where they can stand somewhat toe-to-toe when heavily supported.

And the nice thing about the assault is he can stand toe-to-toe with anyone, WITHOUT that support. That makes him the better choice to field because with a heavy you need to clamp down on a certain part of the map and commit to that role, while the assault can be flexible as numbers transition across the map to different objectives.

So, yea. The heavy is a walking pile of garbage with too many cons and no real pluses. I like the concept and he's been good (sometimes too good) in the past. I look forward to the day he is good again, but that day isnt today.

Problems-
1. Vanilla hng is under powered
2. Assault hmg is too powerful
3. Burst hmg is rarely used
4. Still no breach hmg

Possible solutions-
1. The Alex hmg is very unique and I think making all vanilla hmgs have 300 rounds w/ lower rof and higher damage would be better
2. Having the vanilla hmg work like the Alex, returning the old hmg and keeping 425 rounds would be a great way to start retweaking the assault so it's not better than the vanilla in cqc but excellent at range
3. The burst is unused because.....idk. I guess te assault is too popular now. I have seen a few more bursts lately but not enough
4. Using the current assault hmg, we can crear the breach.

Possible stats-
1-vanilla
Ammo-300
Range-30m
Damage-30
Rof-1200

2-assault
Ammo- 425
Range-45m
Damage-15
Rof -2800

3-burst
(Current stats)

4-breach
Ammo-120
Range-20m
Damage-60
Rof-600