A heavy with a logi is less effective than two assaults, or even an assault with a logi.

Your point is moot and they hold no tactical advantage in any situation, except the one involving high ground and a forge gun.

PC proves this to be the case every day. I'm not even sure why we're having a discussion about this. Do pub-only players really view balance that differently?


Let me put it this way. An HMG heavy is bad at any range that isn't CQC. He's bad if he doesn't have someone scanning for him. He's bad if he doesn't have someone repping him. He's bad if there are multiple enemies because his gun cant fire long enough to kill them all before it seizes up and he's toast. He's even bad if he has to fight another heavy with a logi setup because his weapon WILL be brought to its absolute heat limit trying to kill him. That's a lot of situations to be bad in.

The heavies ideal situation has a weaker, lesser skilled opponent rushing him down without strafing or doing anything to mask his presence. You might see that a lot in pubs (and you do) but in an actual competitive match that isn't happening too much. There are no advantageous situations for the HMG heavy during competitive games. Just situations where they can stand somewhat toe-to-toe when heavily supported.

And the nice thing about the assault is he can stand toe-to-toe with anyone, WITHOUT that support. That makes him the better choice to field because with a heavy you need to clamp down on a certain part of the map and commit to that role, while the assault can be flexible as numbers transition across the map to different objectives.

So, yea. The heavy is a walking pile of garbage with too many cons and no real pluses. I like the concept and he's been good (sometimes too good) in the past. I look forward to the day he is good again, but that day isnt today.