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Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2015.12.31 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Problems- 1. Vanilla hng is under powered 2. Assault hmg is too powerful 3. Burst hmg is rarely used 4. Still no breach hmg Possible solutions- 1. The Alex hmg is very unique and I think making all vanilla hmgs have 300 rounds w/ lower rof and higher damage would be better 2. Having the vanilla hmg work like the Alex, returning the old hmg and keeping 425 rounds would be a great way to start retweaking the assault so it's not better than the vanilla in cqc but excellent at range 3. The burst is unused because.....idk. I guess te assault is too popular now. I have seen a few more bursts lately but not enough 4. Using the current assault hmg, we can crear the breach. Possible stats- 1-vanilla Ammo-300 Range-30m Damage-30 Rof-1200 2-assault Ammo- 425 Range-45m Damage-15 Rof -2800 3-burst (Current stats) 4-breach Ammo-120 Range-20m Damage-60 Rof-600 CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
I Blame Society Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2015.12.31 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote LOL noob Vanilla HMG has way higher DPS than the AHMG, something's wrong with your aiming m8. You shall not defeat me in combat, for I am the one who does not bleed... Face me, and you will lose yours.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2015.12.31 18:55:00 - [3] - Quote I Blame Society wrote: LOL noob Vanilla HMG has way higher DPS than the AHMG, something's wrong with your aiming m8. DPS means nothing when the assault HMG works better. Change the Ion Pistol Fitting Skill Pls. #PortDust514 'Echo is a dirty hooker' - UnclS2
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2015.12.31 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I Blame Society wrote: LOL noob Vanilla HMG has way higher DPS than the AHMG, something's wrong with your aiming m8. DPS means nothing when the assault HMG works better. The assault hmg is currently better at every range than the basic one. I miss the old hmgs Old days. CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
Summa Militum Opus Arcana 2	Posted - 2015.12.31 19:06:00 - [5] - Quote The Boundless HMG is pretty awesome. Thukker is Love, Thukker is Life
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2015.12.31 19:33:00 - [6] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: The Boundless HMG is pretty awesome. It is o know I use it every now and then but the assault is so much better. At everything. Except ammo -_- CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
I Blame Society Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2015.12.31 19:48:00 - [7] - Quote -.- You don't get it, vanilla HMG is meant to SHRED EVERYTHING in close range, Assault HMG is meant to be used in mid-range and as an AV weapon. Everything is as it should be. HMG wins in CQC, AHMG wins in mid-range. Simple. You shall not defeat me in combat, for I am the one who does not bleed... Face me, and you will lose yours.
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2015.12.31 19:56:00 - [8] - Quote I Blame Society wrote: -.- You don't get it, vanilla HMG is meant to SHRED EVERYTHING in close range, Assault HMG is meant to be used in mid-range and as an AV weapon. Everything is as it should be. HMG wins in CQC, AHMG wins in mid-range. Simple. I do get it. As someone who has used it since 1.5, I know what is like. It's ok, but the assault hmg is so much better even at close range. CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
Git Gud Bruh 0.P. 83	Posted - 2015.12.31 20:34:00 - [9] - Quote Burst HMG needs a huge buff of heat duration. you cant fire but like 4 bursts because youll overheat, you cant kill another heavy with it. Not properly at least. "Militia Internet, Proto Lag" -Zandor Suzuki "Where's Taco?"- Ice Royal #IFoundTaco #TacoForCPM3
Mortishai Belmont XxAMBUSH FTWxX Shadow of Dust 1	Posted - 2015.12.31 20:42:00 - [10] - Quote I Blame Society wrote: -.- You don't get it, vanilla HMG is meant to SHRED EVERYTHING in close range, Assault HMG is meant to be used in mid-range and as an AV weapon. Everything is as it should be. HMG wins in CQC, AHMG wins in mid-range. Simple. Assault HMG works perfect at close range too. Also a shotgun out damages the regular hmg at close range. Burst HMG is still kinda left sub-par to the others. (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)

Dead Cavino XxAMBUSH FTWxX Shadow of Dust 174	Posted - 2015.12.31 21:58:00 - [11] - Quote Maybe something could be done with dispersion on the vanilla and burst hmgs. They're suppose to work well out ~40m right? On paper at least. But they don't really work past ~30m or so. I don't like two-legged things.
Sennina Sovereign T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K Damage LLC 108	Posted - 2015.12.31 22:08:00 - [12] - Quote In my opinion, they should try to make the burst HMG shoot 6 bursts before overheating. and a damage buff for the vanilla HMG would be very liked.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.31 22:34:00 - [13] - Quote All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2015.12.31 22:36:00 - [14] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad. You have a point...... CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2016.01.01 01:28:00 - [15] - Quote Don't get me started. AHMG is a bit less effective than the old HMG used to be. I pretty much despise the new HMG. The burst has something like a 25% hits per burst ratio, as tested by thaddeus. Pretty much IMHO the only reason the AHMG works is hit detection is kinder to lower rate of fire weapons. Because why not?
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 132	Posted - 2016.01.01 01:40:00 - [16] - Quote Git Gud Bruh wrote: Burst HMG needs a huge buff of heat duration. you cant fire but like 4 bursts because youll overheat, you cant kill another heavy with it. Not properly at least. 5 bursts* 6 bursts if you want to risk overheating Ex-news reporter for The Scope
Soto Gallente BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM RUST415 132	Posted - 2016.01.01 01:41:00 - [17] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad. I would venture to disagree with you. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
MrCriminal High Power Eternal Beings 196	Posted - 2016.01.01 01:45:00 - [18] - Quote I prefer the Burst HMG over the vanilla or assault hmg. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Click for free stuff
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1	Posted - 2016.01.01 02:23:00 - [19] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Don't get me started. AHMG is a bit less effective than the old HMG used to be. I pretty much despise the new HMG. The burst has something like a 25% hits per burst ratio, as tested by thaddeus. Pretty much IMHO the only reason the AHMG works is hit detection is kinder to lower rate of fire weapons. HMGs need a solid re-approach. Perfect for a hotfix, if you ask me. Here's the gist of it: The HMG is the only anti infantry heavy weapon we have. It is shared between all four sentinels. This means we need variants of the HMG that are suited to all four racial sentinels. Look at it like the Assault Rifle back before we had the other racial rifles. The vanilla HMG we have since the beta of Dust is the Amarr-ish variant. That is because back then we only had the Amarr Sentinel. This is also why it has negative dispersion. Amarr weapons need to charge up or build up heat before becoming effective. That's why the Amarr-ish variant of the HMG has negative dispersion so it becomes more effective at range the longer you fire it. That's why it overheats before running out of ammo in the clip. These days however we have three more sentinels and they need proper anti infantry weapons. A Caldari Sentinel's anti-infantry weapon should have longer range, low DPS and way too much kick or dispersion during hipfire to be any use in CQC. A Gallente Sentinel's anti-infantry weapon should have the highest DPS, shortest range, should not benefit from aiming down sights but have a constant dispersion for as long as you can hold down the trigger without ever overheating. A Minmatar Sentinel's HMG should work up to medium range without aiming down sights and shouldn't suffer increased dispersion while strafing. An Amarr Sentinel's HMG should have medium-to-long range, start with high dispersion and get better the longer you hold down the trigger, at peak performance it should overheat instead of running out of clip (almost like the AHMG, actually). This has never bothered me enough to post about it, but recently I started looking at sentinels a bit more. The HMG and Forgegun variants really do need a proper cleanup with clear racial profiles in mind.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2016.01.01 03:38:00 - [20] - Quote There's more to it than just that, but not a bad overview. Because why not?

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.01 04:19:00 - [21] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad. I would venture to disagree with you. You would venture to be incorrect, then. But if you want to disagree with someone who actually has experience in the competitive side of this game, by all means go nuts. Everyone else does. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Git Gud Bruh 0.P. 86	Posted - 2016.01.01 06:02:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad. I would venture to disagree with you. You would venture to be incorrect, then. But if you want to disagree with someone who actually has experience in the competitive side of this game, by all means go nuts. Everyone else does. Heavies arent bad or broken. It's just they dont survive at long range, open field equals death, and you cant be a sentinel without a logi, its not efffective. unless you use a forge. "Militia Internet, Proto Lag" -Zandor Suzuki "Where's Taco?"- Ice Royal #IFoundTaco #TacoForCPM3
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.01.01 06:21:00 - [23] - Quote Git Gud Bruh wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: All of the HMG's are bad because the heavy itself is bad. I would venture to disagree with you. You would venture to be incorrect, then. But if you want to disagree with someone who actually has experience in the competitive side of this game, by all means go nuts. Everyone else does. Heavies arent bad or broken. It's just they dont survive at long range, open field equals death, and you cant be a sentinel without a logi, its not efffective. unless you use a forge. A heavy with a logi is less effective than two assaults, or even an assault with a logi. Your point is moot and they hold no tactical advantage in any situation, except the one involving high ground and a forge gun. PC proves this to be the case every day. I'm not even sure why we're having a discussion about this. Do pub-only players really view balance that differently? This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
DeadlyAztec11 9	Posted - 2016.01.01 09:32:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Don't get me started. AHMG is a bit less effective than the old HMG used to be. I pretty much despise the new HMG. The burst has something like a 25% hits per burst ratio, as tested by thaddeus. Pretty much IMHO the only reason the AHMG works is hit detection is kinder to lower rate of fire weapons. Finally, another man speaking English. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 2	Posted - 2016.01.01 09:42:00 - [25] - Quote The hmg needs to shoot pink amarr scouts with purple nova knives that shoot scrambler pistols that explode on contact. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2016.01.01 11:10:00 - [26] - Quote I hate hmgs because of theyre overall design and mechanics. the short range vanilla hmg is like a wolf with no teeth. its range is so bad that as a caldari, i can tank its damage with the shield damage threshold. a suppression hmg with long range, better accuracy, and charge up instead of heat build up is needed. movement penalty and double accuracy bonus while crouched would make the heavy a mobile turret. with the range to suppress. right now... hmg is a free kill for me
EmperoR AjnaS Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 615	Posted - 2016.01.02 01:05:00 - [27] - Quote Vanilla HMG is not UP .Its a good in short ranges but it is overshadowed by the AHMG bcoz of its effectiveness in both short -midranges.With vanila hmg u r forced to be in a closed areas but ahmg give u some freedom to roam as a hvy Min loyalist Amarr ideology GÖÑLogistics EmperoRGÖÑ
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 3	Posted - 2016.01.02 01:13:00 - [28] - Quote EmperoR AjnaS wrote: Vanilla HMG is not UP .Its a good in short ranges but it is overshadowed by the AHMG bcoz of its effectiveness in both short -midranges.With vanila hmg u r forced to be in a closed areas but ahmg give u some freedom to roam as a hvy its non-ironic becasue the proto ahmg is the freedom assault hmg CEO of T-W-L YT- LD3514 Gallente Loyalist- ION PISTOL FOR LIFE! GFQ!
EmperoR AjnaS Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 617	Posted - 2016.01.02 01:15:00 - [29] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: EmperoR AjnaS wrote: Vanilla HMG is not UP .Its a good in short ranges but it is overshadowed by the AHMG bcoz of its effectiveness in both short -midranges.With vanila hmg u r forced to be in a closed areas but ahmg give u some freedom to roam as a hvy its non-ironic becasue the proto ahmg is the freedom assault hmg Min loyalist Amarr ideology GÖÑLogistics EmperoRGÖÑ
Chuckles Brown 292	Posted - 2016.01.02 02:07:00 - [30] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: There's more to it than just that, but not a bad overview. Shhhh, now is not he time to pretend being a CPM. But, the overall re-work of the HMG must be dispersion. Hence why the AHMG is as deadly as it is. How about more than just 2 heavy weapons? Destroyer or worlds. Breaker of Gods.



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