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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.18 21:14:00 -
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Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Hate to say it but you reap what you sow. Learn to stick together or get overwhelmed. It's a numbers game and they have more.
Dust has never been a numbers game, and still isn't really. You can't win, you won't be in PC for long. Even Latino's lose heart and quit and stop showing up. Never forget, guys, you're mercenaries. The color of your flag means as much as the color of your skin. All that matters is what you get out of it all.
In this case, losing because you can't stick together.
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DJINN Heartreaper
Negative-Feedback.
21
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Posted - 2015.12.18 21:16:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:PC, FW, Pubs... Half the time I run solo and spawn into a match the team VC channel is flooded with kids screaming and music/tv blaring in the background. These same South American players spam myos, MDs and minass shotgun fits in every match.
Then when they squad up its the same bullshit but now theres 4 or more of them. PS3 might be dying in most of the world, but its alive and well in South America...
They like to spam officer in groups of 4..yet solo players like myself get the blame for killing the community..I've ran officer twice, both times were in a PC...
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
Eternal Beings
1
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:03:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Most of the good north american PC playerbase won't fight for a single flag. They fight for a cause for a month or two, get bored, then find another cause. This has been cyclical since the dawn of PC. Meanwhile the Latino's and Asians are happy to accrue land within their organized power blocks without having to lose their playerbase immediately after.
Hate to say it but you reap what you sow. Learn to stick together or get overwhelmed. It's a numbers game and they have more.
^^^ Pretty much
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Enlightened Cola
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:20:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Hate to say it but you reap what you sow. Learn to stick together or get overwhelmed. It's a numbers game and they have more.
Dust has never been a numbers game, and still isn't really. You can't win, you won't be in PC for long. Even Latino's lose heart and quit and stop showing up. Never forget, guys, you're mercenaries. The color of your flag means as much as the color of your skin. All that matters is what you get out of it all. In this case, losing because you can't stick together. And yes, Dust HAS always been a numbers game. The problem is that the side with a lot of numbers is typically also disorganized and can't stack properly to take advantage of it.
It's not much of an advantage, after a certain amount of districts you can't stack, so that team beating your ass will just continue too.
when did Dust become a numbers game? When everyones skill level became the same? :\ |
Enlightened Cola
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:21:00 -
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Milita Mable wrote:Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Hate to say it but you reap what you sow. Learn to stick together or get overwhelmed. It's a numbers game and they have more.
Dust has never been a numbers game, and still isn't really. You can't win, you won't be in PC for long. Even Latino's lose heart and quit and stop showing up. Never forget, guys, you're mercenaries. The color of your flag means as much as the color of your skin. All that matters is what you get out of it all. Have you even played one battle in PC 2.0? Your the worst person to get advice from for PC.
lol you still think people listen to you rather then use you as troll bait <3 |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:52:00 -
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Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Hate to say it but you reap what you sow. Learn to stick together or get overwhelmed. It's a numbers game and they have more.
Dust has never been a numbers game, and still isn't really. You can't win, you won't be in PC for long. Even Latino's lose heart and quit and stop showing up. Never forget, guys, you're mercenaries. The color of your flag means as much as the color of your skin. All that matters is what you get out of it all. In this case, losing because you can't stick together. And yes, Dust HAS always been a numbers game. The problem is that the side with a lot of numbers is typically also disorganized and can't stack properly to take advantage of it. It's not much of an advantage, after a certain amount of districts you can't stack, so that team beating your ass will just continue too. when did Dust become a numbers game? When everyones skill level became the same? :\
Classic example at its core was back during the era/ae/dns conquest period. Remember when FA did nothing but win for a week straight, but still couldn't do anything to gain territory? In the end, losing everything was inevitable because of the number advantage.
It doesnt matter how good one side is, if they are outnumbered by an organized opponent they will not be able to make any strategic gains and loss is going to happen sooner or later. It was true then, and it's true now.
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PGMSTER GAC
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
General Tso's Alliance
107
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:17:00 -
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We are not Spanish players, we are hispanic players. Use your brain a lil bit and maybe you will be able to stop us ;)
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CUSE TOWN333
Capital Acquisitions LLC
3
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:40:00 -
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catsrule wrote:So, it has come to my attention that rust415 was holding the Spanish corps back from attacking everyone. Rust lets go of the chain and now all hell breaks loose. Almost all districts are now Spanish owned or soon to be. They want everything, and ye have the power to take everything. So PC becomes a hierarchy then what? Sog seems to be at the top followed by pok and other Spanish corps. They will eventually rule all since the lag is insane. Ok so PC is now a waste land, what's the point. Let's here to what respectable players have to say. we were the only people stomping all the Latino corps and holding them down. Now that we have left it is their time to take over.
actions speak louder then words.
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
460
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Posted - 2015.12.19 09:28:00 -
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catsrule wrote:So, it has come to my attention that rust415 was holding the Spanish corps back from attacking everyone. Rust lets go of the chain and now all hell breaks loose. Almost all districts are now Spanish owned or soon to be. They want everything, and ye have the power to take everything. So PC becomes a hierarchy then what? Sog seems to be at the top followed by pok and other Spanish corps. They will eventually rule all since the lag is insane. Ok so PC is now a waste land, what's the point. Let's here to what respectable players have to say.
i actually am unable to play any matches against themvnever mind lose one lol
Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his
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ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
962
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Posted - 2015.12.19 10:57:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Also taco net is a misnomer it's not that if us didn't play spanish speaking corps the games would be without lag, they would just be with slightly less laggy. No matter what corp from whatever region you play the lag and framerate is pretty terrible.
Hate to say it but I have to agree. They do lag more than others but DUST 514 has systemic problems of poor performance and lag regardless. Even pubs are beginning to get bad at the minute and lets not even mention FW as that is worse than PC at times!
I am still of the firm belief that a substantial amount of people would play this game if we sorted the performance issues out alone. It has always been the games lag / performance problems that have really held this game back more than anything. |
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
1
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:04:00 -
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Agility is the current fotm, they aren't scrubs for exploiting the combination to win. They are playing to win, even if the tactics are not fun for the other team.
Is agility overpowered compared to brick tanking?
Is it overpowered against dps builds?
is it overpowered against ewar builds?
Is it overpowered against vehicles, ground and air?
Is it overpowered against a squad?
is it overpowered as a squad?
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
94
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:11:00 -
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Us? Keep chasing that bandwagon! you can keep up!!
We all know Grupo really just sit about and wait for another small Corp to attack 
When I started PC = Regular attacks from GAC
Once I learned to FC = No attacks from GAC in a year
So don't worry about the communities generalizations, we know the truth.. you are just scrubs  
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
94
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:18:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Agility is the current fotm, they aren't scrubs for exploiting the combination to win. They are playing to win, even if the tactics are not fun for the other team.
Is agility overpowered compared to brick tanking?
Is it overpowered against dps builds?
is it overpowered against ewar builds?
Is it overpowered against vehicles, ground and air?
Is it overpowered against a squad?
is it overpowered as a squad?
Watch some recent PC vids.. Gamerich has a good one Prima Vs SOG..
It's like watching 16v16 super mario FPS in New Eden lol
Bastards have killed the fun for me in fights as FC....
Gameplan..
"rush the city and hop about with agimoose/bons"
"spam as many DS as it takes until you can camp highground to your hearts content"
They play well as a team, but it's like CCP intentionally buffed the crappiest pub tactics to make an impact on PC
Well, great news it worked!!! 2 years later and we are still under the illusion that spamming Fotm in a group = teamwork
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:21:00 -
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Well, seems like things are exactly where they should be in any event.
If the game ports, there will be a big regional demographic shift.
If it doesn't, well, no one can rule a game that's been taken offline.
Either way, enjoy the waiting game.
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PGMSTER GAC
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
General Tso's Alliance
108
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:05:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Us? Keep chasing that bandwagon! you can keep up!! We all know Grupo really just sit about and wait for another small Corp to attack When I started PC = Regular attacks from GAC Once I learned to FC = No attacks from GAC in a year So don't worry about the communities generalizations, we know the truth.. you are just scrubs
Ok bigboy, u are great! IM SO SORRY, please dont get mad, forgive me please great master of dus!! hahahahahahahahah sooooooooooo funny u bigboy.
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benandjerrys
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:50:00 -
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To the war room we go, to the war room we go. Hi ho a dairy oh... To the war room we go!
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catsrule
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
156
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Posted - 2015.12.20 02:38:00 -
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I refer to Hispanics as Spanish because NA server
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Enlightened Cola
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:13:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Classic example at its core was back during the era/ae/dns conquest period. Remember when FA did nothing but win for a week straight, but still couldn't do anything to gain territory? In the end, losing everything was inevitable because of the number advantage.
This example has an issue - it was 3 teams of almost equal strength, and 2 decided to jump one. You were losing, otherwise districts don't flip, there's no way around that unless you're giving them up.
Burnout started rearing it's ugly head, and that's probably why you feel numbers matter, to prevent it and keep your players fresh.
But if you guys weren't burning, and winning all the time, you wouldn't of needed to fold like you did. One team of 16 would easily, forever, hold it's own against any sort of mass.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.20 08:24:00 -
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Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Classic example at its core was back during the era/ae/dns conquest period. Remember when FA did nothing but win for a week straight, but still couldn't do anything to gain territory? In the end, losing everything was inevitable because of the number advantage.
This example has an issue - it was 3 teams of almost equal strength, and 2 decided to jump one. You were losing, otherwise districts don't flip, there's no way around that unless you're giving them up. Burnout started rearing it's ugly head, and that's probably why you feel numbers matter, to prevent it and keep your players fresh. But if you guys weren't burning, and winning all the time, you wouldn't of needed to fold like you did. One team of 16 would easily, forever, hold it's own against any sort of mass.
Clearly it could not. But FA was winning the vast majority of matches. We had one day where a number of losses piled on, and we recognized that we would never gain ground no matter how many victories we secured. We didn't bother much after that and kinda let the rest just go.
Your scenario of one team holding districts indefinitely requires that they are not outnumbered, have a huge lead in skill and are incapable of ever losing a match. It is an unrealistic scenario.
It is true that is is easier to defend districts that are not stacked, but unless the attacking side burns out and collapses from internal strife there is no strategic way to win the war itself.
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Enlightened Cola
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2015.12.20 09:29:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Enlightened Cola wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Classic example at its core was back during the era/ae/dns conquest period. Remember when FA did nothing but win for a week straight, but still couldn't do anything to gain territory? In the end, losing everything was inevitable because of the number advantage.
This example has an issue - it was 3 teams of almost equal strength, and 2 decided to jump one. You were losing, otherwise districts don't flip, there's no way around that unless you're giving them up. Burnout started rearing it's ugly head, and that's probably why you feel numbers matter, to prevent it and keep your players fresh. But if you guys weren't burning, and winning all the time, you wouldn't of needed to fold like you did. One team of 16 would easily, forever, hold it's own against any sort of mass. Clearly it could not. But FA was winning the vast majority of matches. We had one day where a number of losses piled on, and we recognized that we would never gain ground no matter how many victories we secured. We didn't bother much after that and kinda let the rest just go. Your scenario of one team holding districts indefinitely requires that they are not outnumbered, have a huge lead in skill and are incapable of ever losing a match. It is an unrealistic scenario. It is true that is is easier to defend districts that are not stacked, but unless the attacking side burns out and collapses from internal strife there is no strategic way to win the war itself.
The thing is, my scenario is Dust's history. It's always been like this, one corp stomping everyone else. The only time it wasn't the case is the scenario you brought up.
So, I guess you're right, there was one point in Dust's history numbers mattered. ;) |
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:19:00 -
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You haven't been around for 90% of dusts history Sota what are you talking about lol
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Enlightened Cola
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:05:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:You haven't been around for 90% of dusts history Sota what are you talking about lol
... what?
Just going to ignore this, you don't need to log on to read what's going on. |
Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
97
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Posted - 2015.12.23 11:06:00 -
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PGMSTER GAC wrote:Sbundo'D wrote:Us? Keep chasing that bandwagon! you can keep up!! We all know Grupo really just sit about and wait for another small Corp to attack When I started PC = Regular attacks from GAC Once I learned to FC = No attacks from GAC in a year So don't worry about the communities generalizations, we know the truth.. you are just scrubs Ok bigboy, u are great! IM SO SORRY, please dont get mad, forgive me please great master of dus!! hahahahahahahahah sooooooooooo funny u bigboy.
Yup, at least you went with sarcasm.. good choice
Trying to act like GAC don't sit about waiting to attack newbs would have been too much for you <3
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catsrule
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
158
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:22:00 -
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Some great points
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Bradric Banewolf
Eternal Beings
1
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Posted - 2015.12.24 00:23:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Most of the good north american PC playerbase won't fight for a single flag. They fight for a cause for a month or two, get bored, then find another cause. This has been cyclical since the dawn of PC. Meanwhile the Latino's and Asians are happy to accrue land within their organized power blocks without having to lose their playerbase immediately after.
Hate to say it but you reap what you sow. Learn to stick together or get overwhelmed. It's a numbers game and they have more.
Dead correct!
American corps can't stop trolling long enough to get serious. The american playerbase is full of individuals that repeat the same mistakes over and over. Far too much butthurt over bs, and too many kd padders?! The few that actually have the testicular fortitude to make things happen are often derailed trying to train stubborn players, re-train so-called "slayers" to play as a team, and adjust to CCP's bs?!
Point blank period spanish corps stick together, and come to each others aid. American players are the type of guys that hold onto grudges against chicks....
Man told me a chick rubbed him the wrong way  I've never had any female rubbed me the WRONG way lol!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
Eternal Beings
1
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Posted - 2015.12.24 00:51:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:catsrule wrote:So, it has come to my attention that rust415 was holding the Spanish corps back from attacking everyone. Rust lets go of the chain and now all hell breaks loose. Almost all districts are now Spanish owned or soon to be. They want everything, and ye have the power to take everything. So PC becomes a hierarchy then what? Sog seems to be at the top followed by pok and other Spanish corps. They will eventually rule all since the lag is insane. Ok so PC is now a waste land, what's the point. Let's here to what respectable players have to say. we were the only people stomping all the Latino corps and holding them down. Now that we have left it is their time to take over. For 2 and a half years it was a full time job keeping them at bay and we were un defeated in all wars against them. Its a shame and very pitiful that no one else can handle the task of keeping them in check. We are having fun on ps4 so if someone else can handle the job it would be very nice.
We're beating em don't worry. While the "convenient" one-sided lag is a continuous issue. We still put up W's! The problem with the smaller corps is bad leadership or none, no real FC or team mates not supporting the FC, and my biggest pet peeve.... these corp ceo's that are happy to watch their guys get crushed just to keep their failing corp alive?! They won't merge, work together, or even support other corps in battle.
I see corp leaders type RF10.... RF10? You don't need ringers, you need to sell those districts and join another corp?! Then no one actually goes to help for several reasons...
1. Apathy
2. ... well really that's it?! guys would rather play pubs?!
Also see alot of blame gaming. "My FC can't FC" Actually what I notice is you followed 0 of the commands issued, and often single-handedly crushed your team with your lack of communication and teamwork! The FC usually can be complete shiite, and as long as the team plays as a team you will do well.
There's like 3500 corps in dust, and only 2000 players?! 5 man active corps wanting to hold districts, and their game plan is "pay ringers", beg for help in chat, or no show?!
Also, alot of guys in these small corps are there because no one tells them about their asses there. In that last corp the guys there told you you were applying wrong tactics, and you spazzed out like a girl?! Stop crying and get back in the fight. Otherwise don't cry about the spanish, or anyone else.
Alot of you also look to be carried! As stated by Cuse and other players they're playing ps4. No more getting in OH, and watching them win from the bench. Now you're the FC, speed scout, tanker, ADS, assault, etc. that's being depended on! What's happened is the days of rooting for the A team is over! You're on then field now, and all your pubbing out isn't helping now!
I say it like it is.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
2
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Posted - 2015.12.25 07:08:00 -
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Sbundo'D wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Agility is the current fotm, they aren't scrubs for exploiting the combination to win. They are playing to win, even if the tactics are not fun for the other team.
Is agility overpowered compared to brick tanking?
Is it overpowered against dps builds?
is it overpowered against ewar builds?
Is it overpowered against vehicles, ground and air?
Is it overpowered against a squad?
is it overpowered as a squad? Watch some recent PC vids.. Gamerich has a good one Prima Vs SOG.. It's like watching 16v16 super mario FPS in New Eden lol Bastards have killed the fun for me in fights as FC.... Gameplan.. "rush the city and hop about with agimoose/bons" "spam as many DS as it takes until you can camp highground to your hearts content" They play well as a team, but it's like CCP intentionally buffed the crappiest pub tactics to make an impact on PC Well, great news it worked!!! 2 years later and we are still under the illusion that spamming Fotm in a group = teamwork
I'm a hopper myself, but use a rifle, no explosives.
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deadpool lifetone
78
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Posted - 2015.12.25 10:50:00 -
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catsrule wrote:So, it has come to my attention that rust415 was holding the Spanish corps back from attacking everyone. Rust lets go of the chain and now all hell breaks loose. Almost all districts are now Spanish owned or soon to be. They want everything, and ye have the power to take everything. So PC becomes a hierarchy then what? Sog seems to be at the top followed by pok and other Spanish corps. They will eventually rule all since the lag is insane. Ok so PC is now a waste land, what's the point. Let's here to what respectable players have to say.
P.C is Not Dead . But all the video's I've recorded of dealing with the lag have gone to waste . Sent them to CCP when asked by them and no response on that matter ever since . This has always happen . First it was N.S ( lag to peaces ) , Then Prima / What The French ( Rubberbanding Everywhere ) , After DMG / Wesker Core ( 1 Frame a minute ) , and now SOG / Carne Con Papas / POK ( dead before you spawn in ) . Real U.S corps have never gotten any breaks and never have or ever will . it doesn't matter if you have a SSD / 137 download 60 upload speed's etc . server priority is not for the U.S .
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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DJINN Heartreaper
Negative-Feedback.
55
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Posted - 2015.12.25 14:03:00 -
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The game is dead and very few vets care..everyone's doing siege or fallout 4
As for Americans staying in one Corp..well if you want the current players in then try it..my loyalty has and always will be to Imperfects first, NF(alliance) second..true I have jumped around but my loyalty has never changed |
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