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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:27:00 -
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Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown!
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:30:00 -
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I agree. Speaking from someone who used myofibs pre-buff, I hate it when you go to punch someone and you jump like 10 feet in the air. Sometimes we don't want to be superman you know?
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Cesar Geronimo
DUST University
Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:35:00 -
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Like I've been saying, the simplest solution is to just add a severe moving spread penalty when in the air... |
Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:35:00 -
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Cesar Geronimo wrote:Like I've been saying, the simplest solution is to just add a severe moving spread penalty when in the air...
Wouldn't that give them more time to shoot whilst airborn?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:36:00 -
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Signed, approved, +1.
Myofibs, in their current iteration, are a mistake. I know there are a handful of players who find them fun, but they are a gamebreaking annoyance to the rest of us.
Since CCP Rattati hates removing content from the game entirely, my proposal is to reduce the myofib jump height bonus by 50%. The module can still improve mobility, but doesn't allow for crazy moonjumping asshats anymore.
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Signed, approved, +1.
Myofibs, in their current iteration, are a mistake. I know there are a handful of players who find them fun, but they are a gamebreaking annoyance to the rest of us.
I know Rattati hates the idea of removing something from the game entirely so my proposal is to reduce the myofib jump height bonus by 50%. The module can still improve mobility, but doesn't allow for crazy moonjumping asshats anymore.
^
I was an avid myofib user pre-buff, and it is harder to melee someone now than before
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
Shadow of Dust
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:48:00 -
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Dust needs an easier mode, for those who suck with a shotgun.
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ID G4f
CASSETTE 514
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Posted - 2015.11.30 20:54:00 -
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Nobody used myofib pre jump buff, that was stated by rattati. Based on hard numbers. Now they are used. Lets all take a minuite and be honest with ourselves, the suits that jump are sqishy as hell & should be able to use this tactic to get away. Where it becomes gamebreaking is with the inclusion of explosives. i've heard a few good options like making it a piece of equipment like the cloak. not a bad plan, simular to rattati's jet pack concept. But i think this is easier and much more interestingly fixed by utilizing something that is already built into unreal editor & fits the game concept better as well... variable gravity. have some planets use current gravity settings, some make armor heavy's jump like scouts with myo's now, & some that even with scouts with myo's jump like an armor heavy. The unpridictability will make the fit's less op all around while making for some hillarious moments of super jumpy into acid moments we all enjoy. I personally love myo's for placing & destroying uplinks without resorting to a python.
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Raven-747
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
252
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:02:00 -
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Reason why jumps were introduced: Heavies could jump that little hedge with 1 or 2 mods, assaults could now increase their mobility with a mod or two, and scouts could evade critical situations. And how does the player base uses it? lulz
When you headshot a frontline with proto
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
525
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:08:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown!
as long as i can still reach some of the roof top campers and play parkour... mainly just want to play parkour
Moo...
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:08:00 -
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Like the way Miofibs give people some different options of navigating the map. Shortcuts, sneaky backdoors etc etc etc.
Hate Myofibs with explosive splash.
Not sure of the possible solutions though..... either no shooting whilst jumping (a la sprinting?) or a large stamina penalty for jumping my myos equipped to stop people bouncing all over the shop.
Neither of those are really a solid answer though |
TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
644
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:10:00 -
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https://youtu.be/oTz93Y-qeq0 |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
526
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:19:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:https://youtu.be/oTz93Y-qeq0
the next kane west beat ...
Moo...
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ID G4f
CASSETTE 514
123
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:20:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:https://youtu.be/oTz93Y-qeq0
Lmao.... no, but.... lmfao
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:55:00 -
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ID G4f wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:https://youtu.be/oTz93Y-qeq0 Lmao.... no, but.... lmfao
But.......the frog men must suffer!! =ƒÿê |
Foo Fighting
Blank Application
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:03:00 -
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Edgar Reinhart wrote:Like the way Miofibs give people some different options of navigating the map. Shortcuts, sneaky backdoors etc etc etc.
Hate Myofibs with explosive splash.
Not sure of the possible solutions though..... either no shooting whilst jumping (a la sprinting?) or a large stamina penalty for jumping my myos equipped to stop people bouncing all over the shop.
Neither of those are really a solid answer though
Add to this increased impact to mid air hits - no reason that live mercs can't ragdoll a little - and your solution could work, with the added fun of watching disorientated bunnies. |
Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:09:00 -
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I don't think anyone really wants to nerf the ability to jump high, because myofibs allow for a new dimension of movement through maps. Rather it seems people want to nerf the ability to use weapons (namely explosive weapons) while jumping high. Making the jump modifier tied to a piece of equipment that one has to activate (ex: cloak) could potentially work.
Caldari
REALLY 514
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:12:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Making the jump modifier tied to a piece of equipment that one has to activate (ex: cloak) could potentially work. This was the original idea I submitted on the community crowdsourcing trello board. I wanted a piece of ACTIVE equipment to aid in vertical movement, not give you permanent high-cover. A jet pack (aka jump jets) or some kind of exoskeleton leg enhancement, etc.
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SAMEERio
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:20:00 -
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I hardly see people use Myrostims now, so there's no need for it to be nerfed.
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
889
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:22:00 -
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ID G4f wrote:Nobody used myofib pre jump buff, that was stated by rattati. Based on hard numbers. Now they are used. Lets all take a minuite and be honest with ourselves, the suits that jump are sqishy as hell & should be able to use this tactic to get away. Where it becomes gamebreaking is with the inclusion of explosives. i've heard a few good options like making it a piece of equipment like the cloak. not a bad plan, simular to rattati's jet pack concept. But i think this is easier and much more interestingly fixed by utilizing something that is already built into unreal editor & fits the game concept better as well... variable gravity. have some planets use current gravity settings, some make armor heavy's jump like scouts with myo's now, & some that even with scouts with myo's jump like an armor heavy. The unpridictability will make the fit's less op all around while making for some hillarious moments of super jumpy into acid moments we all enjoy. I personally love myo's for placing & destroying uplinks without resorting to a python.
I wouldn't say NOBODY used them pre-jump addition...
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS
PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH
ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:31:00 -
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I can do without the jumps, but please give back the full force of the punch. Had to 2-punch a basic fit yesterday in my tiger scout with 3 myo's, just not right.
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bane sieg
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
Damage LLC
446
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:34:00 -
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It's not that big a deal idk why you noobs keep whining. If they stack myos they have no shields. Learn to aim your rifle of choice and watch em die. I run mass drivers regularly but I do NOT stack myos. When I encounter a jumpy mass driver I almost always win because I have shields.
Also, git gud scrubs.
There's things much more broken than myos
Ban all the carebears in dust before they destroy the game
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
889
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:36:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown!
Funny, because most of the people I talk to don't mind them how they currently are... They all simply adjusted to the change ( just like how I now have to adjust to galassaults and their new found OP Assault Rifles..)
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS
PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH
ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.01 01:43:00 -
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While I agree with the sentiment, I think that we need to be very careful with the implementation. Myofibs represent the only change to a module that has actually succeeded in being valued as more important than a shield extender. As a result, we need to keep that positive aspect of the module in mind when discussing its pitfalls. If myofibs get nerfed in the wrong way, you'll get complaints of TTK being too high a week or two after.
Not saying "No". Just offering a word of caution
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Apoleon II
Rooky rooks
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Posted - 2015.12.01 01:56:00 -
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Naaahhh, we only need more sensibility in the camera, to do a 720 quick scope , this would be very MLG
Sorry for my bad english :$
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.12.01 02:22:00 -
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I think a jump penalty should be introduced proportional to the amount of Armor your Dropsuit has. |
Apoleon II
Rooky rooks
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Posted - 2015.12.01 02:27:00 -
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Stop the penalties man, just press square and go to kill and kill more
Sorry for my bad english :$
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
1
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Posted - 2015.12.01 03:13:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown! Funny, because most of the people I talk to don't mind them how they currently are... They all simply adjusted to the change ( just like how I now have to adjust to galassaults and their new found OP Assault Rifles..)
Don't bring my Assault Rifle into this. |
DDx77
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
435
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Posted - 2015.12.01 07:03:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY NOT
"Ahem"
Because first of all they were already "nerfed"
You see the day myos were changed was actually one of the MOST FUN and MEMORABLE moments this game has EVER had
The game in a split second felt incredibly new. Maps opened up, New areas & tactics emerged, it was a frikkin blast
But not everybody was having fun. there were no mass driving hoppers yet ( PLC jumpers were actually first)
However these miserable people just couldn't stand others actually enjoying playing this game.
So they kicked and screamed and cried
One hag created this long long long winded post about how the myo stacking penalty wasnt working correctly
Her window shattering cat dying sounding voice was heard eventually
So myos were nerfed to THREE max
And now I'm laughing at all you idiots that wanted this.
It just so happens THREE complex myos gets you the perfect jump.
You can get just high enough before you start floating.
(Five myos is fun but you float on the way down making it very easy to pick you off)
So enjoy what happens because miserable people suck and when devs think changing a fun feature to be both not as fun and much more annoying is more important than focusing valuable time on real game breaking issues such as the horrible frame rate drops when playing FW or PC or that stupid Gal Facility map
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.12.01 07:34:00 -
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Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.01 08:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
Aeon, it doesn't matter what happens, people are always going to complain about something. I'm sure people complain in PS2 about jet packs.
Every decision is going to make someone disagree with that decision, no matter what.
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jdom503
Vangaurds of the Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.12.01 09:19:00 -
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They need to be split. One for the super man punch and one for jumping. You don't see kincats with speed and cardio. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San
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Posted - 2015.12.01 09:31:00 -
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Stop trying to spray minmatar assaults in the air with your RR hipfire.
It doesn't work
Use Galass AR hipfire or Any suit CR hipfire (NOT ACR)
It does work.
Hit detection people. Use a fuxin CR.
Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó
Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
1
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Posted - 2015.12.01 10:18:00 -
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How about instead of up, they go forward?
Twchnically, this would be the leg equivilent of melee. It would simply give you better sprint or side jump capacity.
If they make your feet push you upward, then why don't enemy targets get knocked way back upon melee hit?
Can we also have the myo bound us off walls.
Mirror's Edge yo!
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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YUUKI TERUMI
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2015.12.01 10:20:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown!
*russians*, *mexicans*
Gal assault rof buff \0/
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Sleepy Shadow
Qualified Scrub
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Posted - 2015.12.01 10:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
Why always bring other games into discussion when talking about DUST features? DUST is supposedly unique and in many ways it is just that. What works in other games has no correlation whatsoever with what works in DUST.
But if you want to compare DUST and for example Destiny, there are key differences there. For one, in Destiny you have hang-time with jumps. While your character goes up fast, it doesnGÇÖt come down fast. This leaves you vulnerable. Secondly, you cannot shoot your gun when going up, only at the peak of your jump. And I may remember wrong (itGÇÖs been a while) you cannot shoot while coming down either. Thirdly, AoE attacks are limited. Rocket launcher has limited ammo and when you die, you lose it. Your super attacks are limited by time. And lastly, every suit has their own jump. Everyone is on equal ground, everyone can do it.
The beauty that is DUSTs fitting freedom is the reason for the myofib grief. You can stack HP if you wish, you can make your character stealthy and fast, you have pretty much unlimited ammo, controls favour myofib user, hit detection is wonky against them and the plethora of AoE and high damage weapons you can equip.
If the reason for high jumps was to allow heavies climb over curbs and give access to higher ground, then it is not unreasonable to limit myofibs use in battle. Remove the ability to shoot while jumping should be taken into consideration at the very least. Slowing down the jump and fall speed would help as well.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.12.01 12:32:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown!
3-5% of the people playing this game use the Forums.
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.01 12:59:00 -
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Sleepy Shadow wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad. Why always bring other games into discussion when talking about DUST features? DUST is supposedly unique and in many ways it is just that. What works in other games has no correlation whatsoever with what works in DUST. But if you want to compare DUST and for example Destiny, there are key differences there. For one, in Destiny you have hang-time with jumps. While your character goes up fast, it doesnGÇÖt come down fast. This leaves you vulnerable. Secondly, you cannot shoot your gun when going up, only at the peak of your jump. And I may remember wrong (itGÇÖs been a while) you cannot shoot while coming down either. Thirdly, AoE attacks are limited. Rocket launcher has limited ammo and when you die, you lose it. Your super attacks are limited by time. And lastly, every suit has their own jump. Everyone is on equal ground, everyone can do it. The beauty that is DUSTs fitting freedom is the reason for the myofib grief. You can stack HP if you wish, you can make your character stealthy and fast, you have pretty much unlimited ammo, controls favour myofib user, hit detection is wonky against them and the plethora of AoE and high damage weapons you can equip. If the reason for high jumps was to allow heavies climb over curbs and give access to higher ground, then it is not unreasonable to limit myofibs use in battle. Remove the ability to shoot while jumping should be taken into consideration at the very least. Slowing down the jump and fall speed would help as well.
Mostly this stuff.
As I said before Myofibs as a way of navigating the map etc are interesting and generally really good. As a way of spamming AoE they're just a bit cr*p.
It's not that jumps per say are bad but the on/off nature of the way that they've been implemented in Dust unfortunately isn't ideal. I get that they have a counter in that the suits are a bit squishier and the more enthusiastic proponents of it can suffer fall damage as a result but in general it is a mechanic that (for me) doesn't quite work in it's current set up.
I'd be all for some form of limitation on firing whilst jumping (Although non-myofib equipped shotgun scouts would probably not be happy with this) and/or some form of stamina penalty to prevent people constantly bouncing back and forth.
I know this one isn't able to be implemented but for example it would be nice if rather than a flat jump bonus Myos worked like a double/triple etc jump based on how many of them you were stacking. i.e. having one Myofib equipped mean that once in the air you can press jump again once or added jump hight. Two Myos mean you can press jump twice etc etc. It means that you actually have to interact to get your jump bonus and think about what you're doing whilst doing it. Each additional jump using the appropriate amount of stamina........(I guess that this means that Myos function more like a jet pack than anything to do with leg augs as others have also suggested). |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.12.01 13:10:00 -
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Edgar Reinhart wrote:Sleepy Shadow wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad. Why always bring other games into discussion when talking about DUST features? DUST is supposedly unique and in many ways it is just that. What works in other games has no correlation whatsoever with what works in DUST. But if you want to compare DUST and for example Destiny, there are key differences there. For one, in Destiny you have hang-time with jumps. While your character goes up fast, it doesnGÇÖt come down fast. This leaves you vulnerable. Secondly, you cannot shoot your gun when going up, only at the peak of your jump. And I may remember wrong (itGÇÖs been a while) you cannot shoot while coming down either. Thirdly, AoE attacks are limited. Rocket launcher has limited ammo and when you die, you lose it. Your super attacks are limited by time. And lastly, every suit has their own jump. Everyone is on equal ground, everyone can do it. The beauty that is DUSTs fitting freedom is the reason for the myofib grief. You can stack HP if you wish, you can make your character stealthy and fast, you have pretty much unlimited ammo, controls favour myofib user, hit detection is wonky against them and the plethora of AoE and high damage weapons you can equip. If the reason for high jumps was to allow heavies climb over curbs and give access to higher ground, then it is not unreasonable to limit myofibs use in battle. Remove the ability to shoot while jumping should be taken into consideration at the very least. Slowing down the jump and fall speed would help as well. Mostly this stuff. As I said before Myofibs as a way of navigating the map etc are interesting and generally really good. As a way of spamming AoE they're just a bit cr*p. It's not that jumps per say are bad but the on/off nature of the way that they've been implemented in Dust unfortunately isn't ideal. I get that they have a counter in that the suits are a bit squishier and the more enthusiastic proponents of it can suffer fall damage as a result but in general it is a mechanic that (for me) doesn't quite work in it's current set up. I'd be all for some form of limitation on firing whilst jumping (Although non-myofib equipped shotgun scouts would probably not be happy with this) and/or some form of stamina penalty to prevent people constantly bouncing back and forth. I know this one isn't able to be implemented but for example it would be nice if rather than a flat jump bonus Myos worked like a double/triple etc jump based on how many of them you were stacking. i.e. having one Myofib equipped mean that once in the air you can press jump again once or added jump hight. Two Myos mean you can press jump twice etc etc. It means that you actually have to interact to get your jump bonus and think about what you're doing whilst doing it. Each additional jump using the appropriate amount of stamina........(I guess that this means that Myos function more like a jet pack than anything to do with leg augs as others have also suggested).
Understandable. Could suggest adding a stamina penalty to them, maybe so that accumulative additions of the module practically require a cardiac regulator. Although, it might not work considering that jumping is based on a percentage of your stamina and not a pre-determined amount; so it likely wouldn't matter how much/little stamina you had you'd still be able to jump all the same.
As to what Sleepy Shadow said, there are inherent dangers with changing the way gravity works in Unreal (which would be the only way you could do modify fall speed). Would mean that everything would fall faster, projectile weapons, grenades, etc. At least, that's what I believe would happen given my limited knowledge of Unreal.
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
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Posted - 2015.12.01 13:11:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Signed, approved, +1.
Myofibs, in their current iteration, are a mistake. I know there are a handful of players who find them fun, but they are a gamebreaking annoyance to the rest of us.
Since CCP Rattati hates removing content from the game entirely, my proposal is to reduce the myofib jump height bonus by 50%. The module can still improve mobility, but doesn't allow for crazy moonjumping asshats anymore.
I agree. Stacking 3 should get rid of all the stamina and should only jump high enough to reach the top of a crate. You shouldnt be able to jump more than two times before drained and maybe add a stamina delay after jump.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Lucifalic
Baked n Loaded
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Posted - 2015.12.01 13:50:00 -
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Option 1. No shooting while jumping. Same as sprint. Problem solved
Option 2. Armor plate penalty to jump height like sprinting. Myro stacking = no tank at all = easy killed target if you can aim. Problem solved
Here since Closed beta. That's messed up
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.12.01 14:34:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
Major issue here is LAG and hit detection here.
Dust is still somehow clunky and buggy in this way.
Trust me boyko if people will not have these issues, they will not be against module itself.
Because they will have clearly chance to shoot these down.
For example, why one game i can clearly shoot these jumpboykos from air and next ten games they do not taking any damage?
Cure is easy less LAG and framerate issue and it will be good.
How to achieve it:
Just make maps smaller - less loading, less assets for procesing, less framrate issues (and more place for implementation like racials for future).
"Clean" server infrastructure - This is evergreen how is possible dust is still lagy, do not ask me.
Implement latency filter - Make play more viable between players by implementation of ping filter, we should fight the contender not the lag between players.
Better optimization - Another issue, imput, effects, popups, these all doing unstable in fights (nerf them, if you need to scrap them, game need to be flowy like water)
I honestly think if these all will be resolved there will be less issues about modules and weapons because honestly we cannot to tune something if game is still that glitchy.
Like yesterday, i fight on shoti jumpy boyko, yes he got me but whall story story was like this:
I saw this boyko trying to kill on newbo i told my self helvete no and i start to hun him.
He have blue tonic and i did not have issue with that because it was funny TTK.
Je jumped on some rocks where i obviously do not have access, and wait "in shadow" if he jump down he jumped and now something interesting, i shoot him three times to face and punch him three times guess what no dmg taken.
And this is really problem, nonsensical lag what doing this.
If people can shoot him in 1-5 secs closerange or 1-3 second medium/long range there will be less amount of users of blue tonics and nobody will do articless how it needs to be nerfed.
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Shart Machine
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.12.01 15:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
I wrote out a whole post, but at the end of the day I just get nostalgic about Tribes 2 and ramble about how far apart these two games really are.
My opinion about myos in Dust: where's the counterplay? I don't see any negative aspect to putting flubber on my boots while still stacking armor. You can say shields, but it is an argument of vertical movement over slight ehp, and movement is almost always the better choice. I can survive two extra hits or clear a building and regen it all back....
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
899
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Posted - 2015.12.01 15:57:00 -
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No what we need are 2 different mods 1 for jumping and 1 for punching there also needs to be a module that increases base walk speed. |
Daemonn Adima
Y.A.M.A.H
566
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Posted - 2015.12.01 19:42:00 -
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During the whole of the event time, a player named LASER DUST jumped around in a Gk.0 suit with proto PLC and flaylock
Probably the most annoying encounter ever. Especially because he would jump spam a PLC shot near you and then jump spam his proto flaylock at your feet.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
166
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Posted - 2015.12.01 20:36:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Almost everybody I talked to (Even those that use them for jumpy stuff) hate them. Nobody likes fighting an enemy that is 20 feet above me shooting grenades from a luncher at me and spamming their flaylock/ PLC. It is literally the most EZ-Mode you can get in this game. It is wayy to common and annoying.
I bet only 3-5% of the players in this game actually like the this way.
Proposal: How about we have it so that there is a 100% penalty on the 2nd and 3rd myofib for jumping. BOOM! Mind=Blown!
Yes, myofibs have become the single most painful item in the game with the addition of jump ability. Seeing a heavy jump is just plain ridiculous. Way to make Dust a game that people don't want to play when you have to deal with that sort of thing. |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
167
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Posted - 2015.12.01 20:39:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:Reason why jumps were introduced: Heavies could jump that little hedge with 1 or 2 mods, assaults could now increase their mobility with a mod or two, and scouts could evade critical situations. And how does the player base uses it? lulz
This is called, in other fields, "The rule of unintended consequences". |
DDx77
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2015.12.01 21:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
The main issue is Latency lag players + already present hit detection issues with jumping + explosive weapons ( MassD / PLC & Flaylock)
Here is a very reasonable solution / compromise I have suggested:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=219364&find=unread
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Cesar Geronimo
Dust University
Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2015.12.01 21:58:00 -
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Professor Mehaffey wrote:Cesar Geronimo wrote:Like I've been saying, the simplest solution is to just add a severe moving spread penalty when in the air... Wouldn't that give them more time to shoot whilst airborn?
I mean a moving accuracy penalty to weapons that greatly increases spread.... |
Terry Webber
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
909
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Posted - 2015.12.01 22:59:00 -
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I might have a solution. Click the link below or in my sig to read all about it.
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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:28:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
For one, very few of dust's maps were designed with verticality being a central level design philosophy. Older maps, like Skim Junction (The tabletop map) do vertical spaces well. All of the high points on the map are visible to all of the other high points, and they are all ladder accessible.
Newer maps, like the five point city map with Bravo inside a building, Charlie by some waterworks facility, and Alpha under the lip of another building are not designed with verticality in mind. In these instances, myos allow people to turtle or rain explosives down on others with relative impunity.
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Eros Adonai
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:55:00 -
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It would be nice if pink fairy wings could be added to a merc's dropsuit, when myo's are fitted. The little girls who use them would love that. Come on guys, think of the children 
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Thexan Valkorian
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:59:00 -
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Jump bunnies are not an issue, they are easy to kill.
Problem- Explosive weapons
Make it so you cannot equip Dual Flaylocks or a Flaylock with Plasma Cannon on suit.
The Plasma and Myo is okay as it is because it is slightly harder to properly aim and radius of explosion.
The Flaylock and Plasma Cannon and Dual Flaylock are the real problem for certain people.
Any nerf besides this would be ridiculous because dumb Clods do not know how to play correctly or solve simply problems where it is right in front of them.
Only thing that could trick you is if they are with melee range and jump, you would think where they would land.
Solution.
Run in a straight line for 0.8-1.2sec and turn around too kill them.
That is all
Thexan, out
I Believe In The Democratization Of Fear.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:14:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:Reason why jumps were introduced: Heavies could jump that little hedge with 1 or 2 mods, assaults could now increase their mobility with a mod or two, and scouts could evade critical situations. And how does the player base uses it? lulz
I am 99% sure that 90% of heavies do not use myofibs. The main culprits are Assault suits and Commandos.
Sagaris lover!!!
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:22:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's get some constructive criticism/critical thinking going on:
Why does this form of verticality work in other games (Destiny, Tribes, Planetside 2, Call of Duty) but not in Dust 514?
Jump-packs, double/triple jumps, blinks have been a thing in FPS games for a while. What makes them easier to deal with than in Dust 514? Is it the high amount of HP players can have in Dust 514? Is solely because of the Mass Driver?
Theorycraft. Have to know -WHY- they are bad, not that they are just bad.
In Call of Duty, catching a jumper is like a free kill because it takes like 4 bullets to kill them. In dust jumpers can range from 500 easily to 900 HP. Also, it is really hard to fight an uphill battle. In Dust, it is much easier to aim down on a target than up. Also, aiming down on target means you are shooting the head while aiming up means you are shooting the feet and legs. It is much easier to get headshots on a target below you.
Sagaris lover!!!
Commando <3
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
1
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:25:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:No what we need are 2 different mods 1 for jumping and 1 for punching there also needs to be a module that increases base walk speed.
We cannot have a mod for increasing base walk speed or people will warp left or right.
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Commando <3
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SAMEERio
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
57
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:10:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:No what we need are 2 different mods 1 for jumping and 1 for punching there also needs to be a module that increases base walk speed. We cannot have a mod for increasing base walk speed or people will warp left or right.
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