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Raven-747
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:27:00 -
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This weapon after the so called "minor" nerf is absolutely inferior to every other weapon in its class. After the recoil increase (4 times) and the heat thing, this gun is done for.
Firstly, the mlt Scr is just out of the world (but hey its mlt who cares right?). Using Scr on a suit which is not a 'maxed' out amarr assault is just dumb. Hell even on a ak.0 assault is inferior to the other maxed out assaults with their racial weapons.
Seeing how this weapon consumes the highest cpu and pg and capable of backfiring this gun is at the lowest compared to the others. Alright I get it that rail rifle and assault rifle are hybrid but what about combat rifle? Use Cr on any suit and it won't effect you, except you can maximize its potential on the mk.0 but there are no disadvantages on a non-min assault suit. This applies to every other weapon but scr (Not including LR here).
The reason why this gun was destroyed because ccp were helpless against the turbo controller users. But they obviously neglected the fact that what happens to the players who don't use turbo. Nothing they just need to either deal with it or buy a respec to chase Fotm. I don't understand why you would buff the shield and nerf Scr, is it because of those caldari users who cried so much? Or those few player who can't use the scrambler themselves but hate dying to it. <- this mentality is the problem and ccp pampers such idiots.
Ps: Idc about those few people who will now rush up with their dumb stats and defend this unfair nerf. Ask yourselves how often do you even see this gun in the feed? Practically never. It just sucks to be a loyal amarr assault. Also ascr and scr are different, Ascr cannot act as a substitute for Scr.
My point here is, just return the scr back to how it was before its recent nerf.
~Sincerely, a helpless amarr loyalist.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BITCH!!!!
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:36:00 -
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I'd still like the effectivness of all rifles to be nerfed. Then the assault suit for that race makes its racial equivilent useful.
If you then want to use an off race weapon there would be a module (call it efficacy module or something) that would allow an off race weapon to be more effective. However, it would still not be as food as an assault with a like race rifle and the mod would not be stackable.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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SAMEERio
WarRavens Imperium Eden
29
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:49:00 -
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Returning it to its original state would be nice.
"Pew pew pew"
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:52:00 -
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Personally I think there are two ways to go with this.
Either you keep the rifles as they are and extend the assault suit bonuses to all racial suits, maybe with slightly less effect. This would further encourage racial fitting at the cost of freedom. So, for example, Amarr commandos, logis, scouts and sentinels could get 3% per level heat build up reduction. Gallente commandos, logis, scouts and sentinels could get 2% rof per level on ARs.
Or, you put some of the assault suit bonuses onto the rifles themselves and reduce the assault bonuses to compensate. So for example, I'm talking about increasing AR rate of fire by 10% and reducing the assault bonus to 1% per level, and reducing scrambler and laser heat build up by 15% and reducing the assault bonus to 2% per level. |
LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
517
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:52:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I'd still like the effectivness of all rifles to be nerfed. Then the assault suit for that race makes its racial equivilent useful.
If you then want to use an off race weapon there would be a module (call it efficacy module or something) that would allow an off race weapon to be more effective. However, it would still not be as food as an assault with a like race rifle and the mod would not be stackable. It's called a DMG mod
HMG is my first love
SR my Sancha
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SAMEERio
WarRavens Imperium Eden
29
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:55:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Personally I think there are two ways to go with this.
Either you keep the rifles as they are and extend the assault suit bonuses to all racial suits, maybe with slightly less effect. This would further encourage racial fitting at the cost of freedom. So, for example, Amarr commandos, logis, scouts and sentinels could get 3% per level heat build up reduction. Gallente commandos, logis, scouts and sentinels could get 2% rof per level on ARs.
Or, you put some of the assault suit bonuses onto the rifles themselves and reduce the assault bonuses to compensate. So for example, I'm talking about increasing AR rate of fire by 10% and reducing the assault bonus to 1% per level, and reducing scrambler and laser heat build up by 15% and reducing the assault bonus to 2% per level. Gallente commando with rof bonus=op
"Pew pew pew"
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
176
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:07:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I'd still like the effectivness of all rifles to be nerfed. Then the assault suit for that race makes its racial equivilent useful.
If you then want to use an off race weapon there would be a module (call it efficacy module or something) that would allow an off race weapon to be more effective. However, it would still not be as food as an assault with a like race rifle and the mod would not be stackable. Right, because scouts and logis shouldn't be able to kill...
you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:18:00 -
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I hate how just after foxfour was released, I got a Quafe scrambler rifle. -_-
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Gallente Loyalist
GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
178
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:20:00 -
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SAMEERio wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Personally I think there are two ways to go with this.
Either you keep the rifles as they are and extend the assault suit bonuses to all racial suits, maybe with slightly less effect. This would further encourage racial fitting at the cost of freedom. So, for example, Amarr commandos, logis, scouts and sentinels could get 3% per level heat build up reduction. Gallente commandos, logis, scouts and sentinels could get 2% rof per level on ARs.
Or, you put some of the assault suit bonuses onto the rifles themselves and reduce the assault bonuses to compensate. So for example, I'm talking about increasing AR rate of fire by 10% and reducing the assault bonus to 1% per level, and reducing scrambler and laser heat build up by 15% and reducing the assault bonus to 2% per level. Gallente commando with rof bonus=op Yeah they need to get rid of that rof bonus. Terrible idea they had...
you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
1
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:24:00 -
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I'll melt your face off with my ASCR on my Amarr Commando, leave you layin' next to the heavy I cut in two with it o.o
The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y,
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
178
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:28:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:This weapon after the so called "minor" nerf is absolutely inferior to every other weapon in its class. After the recoil increase (4 times) and the heat thing, this gun is done for.
Firstly, the mlt Scr is just out of the world (but hey its mlt who cares right?). Using Scr on a suit which is not a 'maxed' out amarr assault is just dumb. Hell even on a ak.0 assault is inferior to the other maxed out assaults with their racial weapons.
Seeing how this weapon consumes the highest cpu and pg and capable of backfiring this gun is at the lowest compared to the others. Alright I get it that rail rifle and assault rifle are hybrid but what about combat rifle? Use Cr on any suit and it won't effect you, except you can maximize its potential on the mk.0 but there are no disadvantages on a non-min assault suit. This applies to every other weapon but scr (Not including LR here).
The reason why this gun was destroyed because ccp were helpless against the turbo controller users. But they obviously neglected the fact that what happens to the players who don't use turbo. Nothing they just need to either deal with it or buy a respec to chase Fotm. I don't understand why you would buff the shield and nerf Scr, is it because of those caldari users who cried so much? Or those few player who can't use the scrambler themselves but hate dying to it. <- this mentality is the problem and ccp pampers such idiots.
Ps: Idc about those few people who will now rush up with their dumb stats and defend this unfair nerf. Ask yourselves how often do you even see this gun in the feed? Practically never. It just sucks to be a loyal amarr assault. Also ascr and scr are different, Ascr cannot act as a substitute for Scr.
My point here is, just return the scr back to how it was before its recent nerf.
~Sincerely, a helpless amarr loyalist. Like it or not the scr was op. Period. They should have changed it to a per shot rather than a per second heatbuildup first, but I doubt that would have fixed everything. The fact it had to be merged four times before it stopped dominating the feeds lends veracity to the fact that it was op. Now about that shield comment and qqing. Shields were objectively worse than armor for the entirety of the game, really. They needed a buff, accusing people of qqing while in the same breath refusing to look at stats reveals yourself as a qqing hyppocrit. Further if you are an "amaar" loyalist, why was the first part of your post lamenting the fact that you couldn't effectively fit it on other suits? And finally blaming it on herds of people unable to use the rifle themselves bit hate dying blah blah pampering blah blah, yeah that's wrong because it was needed specifically because the majority of people were using it, and dominating with it, but here you are asking to be pampered back up to the point where you can use the fotm weapon because you miss being fotm. Go away troll...
you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:58:00 -
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I honestly see bigger issue with galass+Ar combo. I using AScR and i love that rifle, i will try semi version and i will tell you ;)
"Mushroom hunter and Fish devourer."
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
178
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Posted - 2015.11.25 21:00:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:I honestly see bigger issue with galass+Ar combo. I using AScR and i love that rifle, i will try semi version and i will tell you ;) Yes galass is op ATM...hopefully they fix it next update...
you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1
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Posted - 2015.11.25 21:49:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Raven-747 wrote:This weapon after the so called "minor" nerf is absolutely inferior to every other weapon in its class. After the recoil increase (4 times) and the heat thing, this gun is done for.
Firstly, the mlt Scr is just out of the world (but hey its mlt who cares right?). Using Scr on a suit which is not a 'maxed' out amarr assault is just dumb. Hell even on a ak.0 assault is inferior to the other maxed out assaults with their racial weapons.
Seeing how this weapon consumes the highest cpu and pg and capable of backfiring this gun is at the lowest compared to the others. Alright I get it that rail rifle and assault rifle are hybrid but what about combat rifle? Use Cr on any suit and it won't effect you, except you can maximize its potential on the mk.0 but there are no disadvantages on a non-min assault suit. This applies to every other weapon but scr (Not including LR here).
The reason why this gun was destroyed because ccp were helpless against the turbo controller users. But they obviously neglected the fact that what happens to the players who don't use turbo. Nothing they just need to either deal with it or buy a respec to chase Fotm. I don't understand why you would buff the shield and nerf Scr, is it because of those caldari users who cried so much? Or those few player who can't use the scrambler themselves but hate dying to it. <- this mentality is the problem and ccp pampers such idiots.
Ps: Idc about those few people who will now rush up with their dumb stats and defend this unfair nerf. Ask yourselves how often do you even see this gun in the feed? Practically never. It just sucks to be a loyal amarr assault. Also ascr and scr are different, Ascr cannot act as a substitute for Scr.
My point here is, just return the scr back to how it was before its recent nerf.
~Sincerely, a helpless amarr loyalist. Like it or not the scr was op. Period. They should have changed it to a per shot rather than a per second heatbuildup first, but I doubt that would have fixed everything. The fact it had to be merged four times before it stopped dominating the feeds lends veracity to the fact that it was op. Now about that shield comment and qqing. Shields were objectively worse than armor for the entirety of the game, really. They needed a buff, accusing people of qqing while in the same breath refusing to look at stats reveals yourself as a qqing hyppocrit. Further if you are an "amaar" loyalist, why was the first part of your post lamenting the fact that you couldn't effectively fit it on other suits? And finally blaming it on herds of people unable to use the rifle themselves bit hate dying blah blah pampering blah blah, yeah that's wrong because it was needed specifically because the majority of people were using it, and dominating with it, but here you are asking to be pampered back up to the point where you can use the fotm weapon because you miss being fotm. Go away troll... The reason the ScR took so many nerfs was due to the fact they never fixed the issue the first place... Nerfs just kept building up and they never listened to those who actually used the weapon and new how to fix it. Now we're left with a battle Rifle that requires a side arm, discourages the use of the charge shot, and can't be used effectively on other suits besides Amarr Assault.
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AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
28
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Posted - 2015.11.25 21:54:00 -
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The SCR was insanely effective on the Amarr assault previously and okay on other suits. This was not a healthy balance.
The current SCR is meh on the Amarr assault and poor on other suits. This is not a healthy balance.
The Amarr assault bonus was easily one of the most powerful bonuses in the game and it skewed the balance for the SCR as a whole. It would be better to have gentler bonuses and slightly better inherent stats on the SCR itself.
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lamo guys
Corrosive Synergy
117
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Posted - 2015.11.25 22:00:00 -
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I still use it because I'm almost maxed on it. But for it to really work well I need 2 krins, my prof 3, and warbarge damage is at 4. It still melts shields but really you need to hit a secondary for armor, and that sucks!
Don't blink it will be over quick
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1
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Posted - 2015.11.25 22:28:00 -
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lamo guys wrote:I still use it because I'm almost maxed on it. But for it to really work well I need 2 krins, my prof 3, and warbarge damage is at 4. It still melts shields but really you need to hit a secondary for armor, and that sucks! >A weapon meant to destroy shields is bad against armor >"sucks"
I'm sensing many ALTs talking to themselves.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.25 22:47:00 -
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I think all of the rifles have had mechanical issues.
Look at how few actually use ADS when shooting. Unless you are at really long distances, in Dust, it is always better to hipfire nearly every rifle in the game.
The CR has always been too accurate with hipfire, as have others, and the kick has largely been irrelevant.
These should be big considerations when choosing weaponry, yet in Dust they are almost inconsequential.
The ScR should never have been that accurate with hipfire. The RoF was a secondary problem IMO. Especially given the ScR was supposed to be stronger at a distance than in CQC (similar issue for the CR).
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1
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Posted - 2015.11.25 23:15:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I think all of the rifles have had mechanical issues.
Look at how few actually use ADS when shooting. Unless you are at really long distances, in Dust, it is always better to hipfire nearly every rifle in the game.
The CR has always been too accurate with hipfire, as have others, and the kick has largely been irrelevant.
These should be big considerations when choosing weaponry, yet in Dust they are almost inconsequential.
The ScR should never have been that accurate with hipfire. The RoF was a secondary problem IMO. Especially given the ScR was supposed to be stronger at a distance than in CQC (similar issue for the CR). Always blew my mind how effective hip fire was in this game, especially for long ranged that have a small reticle.
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
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CaP XZ
83
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Posted - 2015.11.25 23:29:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:I hate how just after foxfour was released, I got a Quafe scrambler rifle. -_-
join the club!
quafe PLC, scrambler and angel cartel MN-L skin i can't faking trade because of our "developers"
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the real xor
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.25 23:36:00 -
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CaP XZ wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:I hate how just after foxfour was released, I got a Quafe scrambler rifle. -_- join the club! quafe PLC, scrambler and angel cartel MN-L skin i can't faking trade because of our "developers"
I want da PC
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Gallente Loyalist
GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
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7 Djin
Duvolle Banks
79
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Posted - 2015.11.26 00:54:00 -
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I am a proud amarr, the scrambler isn't that bad, it was insanely good before, now I can still make people run and hide with a basic scrambler on an opus. It's a great 1v1 weapon. Using my classic viziam fit is still scary good against everything except the duvolle AR on a GalAss (*cough* fotm).
You're all qqing as hard as tankers, here are your tissues get back out there and fight. |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.26 01:42:00 -
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If you're not a scrub player, you can make it work. Only scrubs complain
Saying what's on people's minds
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castba
976
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Posted - 2015.11.26 02:08:00 -
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Why do lasers have kick?
"When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.11.26 05:54:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The SCR was insanely effective on the Amarr assault previously and okay on other suits. This was not a healthy balance.
The current SCR is meh on the Amarr assault and poor on other suits. This is not a healthy balance.
The Amarr assault bonus was easily one of the most powerful bonuses in the game and it skewed the balance for the SCR as a whole. It would be better to have gentler bonuses and slightly better inherent stats on the SCR itself. Very true.
Where it is now isn't good, but putting it back where it was would be worse.
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Richard Gamerich-R
Capital Acquisitions LLC
164
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Posted - 2015.11.26 07:45:00 -
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I reskilled recently in the AK.0 assault suit, and the scrambler still good (if you don't kill with this suit, the scrambler is not for you).
But I have to agree with the fact that the scrambler is hard, and maybe useless in other suits (assault version is little usable, but normal version not at all).
So currently, skill amarr assault, or don't play with it lol.
Wait I'm restocking...
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Raven-747
WarRavens Imperium Eden
243
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Posted - 2015.11.26 15:52:00 -
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Richard Gamerich-R wrote:I reskilled recently in the AK.0 assault suit, and the scrambler still good (if you don't kill with this suit, the scrambler is not for you).
But I have to agree with the fact that the scrambler is hard, and maybe useless in other suits (assault version is little usable, but normal version not at all).
So currently, skill amarr assault, or don't play with it lol. I'm comparing it with the other weapons in its class. Never said anything about it being hard or easy to use. My point was why is it inferior to the other rifles and still consumes the highest cpu pg. That's kinda lame and discouraging to use. You can easily fit a maxed out proto cr (Consumes less cpu pg compared to scr proto) on any suit and it won't suffer from any disadvantages. But that's not the case with Scr, oh no you can't use it on any other amarr suit apart from the assault. And even if you do its takes too much effort compared to the other rifles to get kills. (Wall popping strafe, jumps, sidearm switch and etc)
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BITCH!!!!
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
1
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Posted - 2015.11.26 18:04:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I'd still like the effectivness of all rifles to be nerfed. Then the assault suit for that race makes its racial equivilent useful.
If you then want to use an off race weapon there would be a module (call it efficacy module or something) that would allow an off race weapon to be more effective. However, it would still not be as food as an assault with a like race rifle and the mod would not be stackable. It's called a DMG mod
No, this mod would grant all the other qualities that the skills do. It would increase reload, ammo and other effects like cooldown et al. It xould be the equivilent of lvl 3 in all skills with that weapon. The actual skills would be nerfed and placed on the assault suit for rifles. Sidearm bonuses would be for logis and scouts.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.11.26 18:08:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I'd still like the effectivness of all rifles to be nerfed. Then the assault suit for that race makes its racial equivilent useful.
If you then want to use an off race weapon there would be a module (call it efficacy module or something) that would allow an off race weapon to be more effective. However, it would still not be as food as an assault with a like race rifle and the mod would not be stackable. Right, because scouts and logis shouldn't be able to kill...
No, I was refering to assaults. Assaults should be better with rifles. Anyway, since some need complete explanations in order to comprehend an idea check my EDIT.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.11.26 18:09:00 -
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castba wrote:Why do lasers have kick?
Energy buildup to fire a laser that packs a punch.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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