Kail Mako
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:47:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Kail Mako wrote:Guns and suits are the most expensive items in the game. If you run an ADV suit, and ADV guns even if everything else on your suit is proto you should be able to easily make ISK. my main assault is 214k gko duvole ar creodron ip thukker grenade ishukone guaged nanohive 1 complex light damge 1 complex sidearm damage\ 1 adv pg upgrade 1 pro kincat 2 pro ferroscale 2 pro reps That's insane. My main suit is 40k ISK. ADV Cal Ass 2 ADV Flaylocks 3 Proto Myos 1 Proto Carreg 1 Proto Damp 1 ADV Kincat 1 ADV Uplink 1 STD Flux Grenade
I regularly score 1000+ WP in that fit. I made like 6 million ISK in about a week playing 2-3 matches a day.
The biggest thing about this fit is the uplinks. If you simply put uplinks on your suit, chances are you'll make 500+ WP off of only them every match. They really help with farming ISK.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:54:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Update.
I've been running BPOs in pubs. I'm pretty sure I don't like it. To my mind, as stated elsewhere the suit and the weapons are the most expensive parts of a fit, so using a BPO without editing out the weapons for something else gives you both. Just upgrading the rest of the modules and equipment would then be the cheap option to get to a decent fit.
Something else about BPOs - with my skill levels they seem paper thin. If I can catch someone off guard I can mostly kill them in a flash. I have good aim especially with ADS on a rail rifle. But if they catch me off guard, it seems my suit is hardly even there - It's just ridiculous how fast they cut me up - my rail rifle hasn't even had a chance to charge to fire the first shot before I'm dead.
I'm used to shield tanking (EvE Online Caldari ships use exactly the same concepts). I'm used to tanking so that my suit will take enough damage before I can react to a side attack, then recharge the shields fast enough to deal with the DPS I'll take until I can kill them. The APEX suits, despite being deemed "Pro", are actually quite basic in their BPO fittings. I imagine this is so that people who buy them with AUR to get an edge actually need to be able to use them, so the PG/CPU of the fittings are limited. For me, there is about 30% the CPU and 40% of the PG of the suits unused. Not fitting at least the modules to use up this excess seems wasteful. Not trying to fit the suits to the best advantage really goes against the grain, especially when I die so fast I can't make any headway.
I think running BPOs is fundamentally good advice, under reasonable circumstances. But that doesn't take into account the ridiculously overwhelming number of proto stompers on the other side in almost every pubs match. Given that they are almost all proto stompers, I would have absolutely no chance of living through an encounter with virtually any of them in a BPO suit. It's not much better in a fully tanked suit, but at least I can survive long enough to maybe get a shot in.
So, it boils down to a choice between: 1. Run BPOs (APEX or MLT), die continuously and make virtually no WP and maybe no SP, but also don't lose ISK, or 2. Run modified APEX or MLT suits, die less, maybe make a bit more WP and SP, for a small cost.
At the end of the day, the first option costs nothing but goes nowhere. The second option, however, has at least the chance of quality of play, costs a little, but allows me to make some WP, SP and of course more ISK. As a result, I'm having a tough time convincing myself running BPOs in pubs is the way to go. Maybe if I were a seasoned vet, running in squads, it would be an option. But a four-month experienced player running solo in a proto-stacked match? I think not.
I'm sure as I get better, my experience of running BPOs in proto stomped pubs will improve, but will it improve fast enough that I don't just leave the game in the meantime? And then there's the question about whether the game will even be here by then...
I wouldn't quite say that. Again, I run a 40k ISK suit. If I'm having a bad game I might make 1000 WP, and only get 10 kills. I probably make anywhere from 700k-1 million ISK everyday I play. That's if I play 2-3 matches a each day. I'll give you a few tips to easily make ISK.
Run Uplinks. These things are basically WP farms. I easily make half of my WP every game off of people spawning on them. WP = ISK.
Set your sensitivity to max. This means you have faster tracking speed, and turning speed. It can take some getting used to, but it helps in engagements. Especially, ones where you get ambushed.
Finally, pick your battles. The most important thing in Dust is choosing when to engage. If you engage an enemy on your terms chances are you will melt them. I run ADV 90% of the time, and absolutely merc proto stompers. It's not because I'm good. It's because I know when I'm able to make the kill, and when I shouldn't bother attacking.
Honestly, if you learn how to manipulate the battles so you always engage on your terms EHP stacking becomes irrelevant. I think I have exactly one suit that has more than around 600 EHP that isn't a heavy suit.
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