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Moorian Flav wrote:

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I agree and have issues with the OP's assumption.

I already explained how I came to the announcement in my rhetorical question. I think someone had been skipping posts.

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First, it there is an EVE based FPS moved to newer hardware, it is not going to be a straight port. It will be closer to a sequel.

I do not think moving from UE3 to UE4 would be that complicated and that would likely be the main upgrade.

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Second, given that, and given the fact the PC audience does not greatly overlap with the PS audience, there is little reason to arbitrarily end Dust on the PS3, and it would be a tremendous insult from CCP to do such a thing until the business model says its time.

CCP already said they wanted to move to PC for Legion (as said in an earlier post which you must of skimmed over). Furthermore, as a software company, I doubt CCP would want to support a single game on 2 separate platforms especially with (1) Shanghai being as small as it already is and (2) PS3 being a dying platform.

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Frankly, I think it was his intention to be insulting and inflammatory, or at best he is demonstrating a narrow mindedness

I put thought behind my statements. If only everyone did the same. Blink

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Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:06:00 - [31] - Quote There's a handful of us originals left from ps3 roots. That announcement would be the coffin nail for the last of us. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:14:00 - [32] - Quote Devadander wrote: There's a handful of us originals left from ps3 roots. That announcement would be the coffin nail for the last of us. I agree and have issues with the OP's assumption. First, it there is an EVE based FPS moved to newer hardware, it is not going to be a straight port. It will be closer to a sequel. Second, given that, and given the fact the PC audience does not greatly overlap with the PS audience, there is little reason to arbitrarily end Dust on the PS3, and it would be a tremendous insult from CCP to do such a thing until the business model says its time. Frankly, I think it was his intention to be insulting and inflammatory, or at best he is demonstrating a narrow mindedness. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Moorian Flav 343	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:17:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: Or the next TES game. Not to get off topic but during FallOut 4 development Bethesda said there will not be any new TES games for a while. So yeah. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Moorian Flav 344	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:25:00 - [34] - Quote Quote: I agree and have issues with the OP's assumption. I already explained how I came to the announcement in my rhetorical question. I think someone had been skipping posts. Quote: First, it there is an EVE based FPS moved to newer hardware, it is not going to be a straight port. It will be closer to a sequel. I do not think moving from UE3 to UE4 would be that complicated and that would likely be the main upgrade. Quote: Second, given that, and given the fact the PC audience does not greatly overlap with the PS audience, there is little reason to arbitrarily end Dust on the PS3, and it would be a tremendous insult from CCP to do such a thing until the business model says its time. CCP already said they wanted to move to PC for Legion (as said in an earlier post which you must of skimmed over). Furthermore, as a software company, I doubt CCP would want to support a single game on 2 separate platforms especially with (1) Shanghai being as small as it already is and (2) PS3 being a dying platform. Quote: Frankly, I think it was his intention to be insulting and inflammatory, or at best he is demonstrating a narrow mindedness I put thought behind my statements. If only everyone did the same. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Niarudi Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:30:00 - [35] - Quote Well, I haven't played Dust 514 in a really long time, so it wouldn't bother me too much. But I would give away all of my BP's, my hundreds of millions of isk, and then Biomass. I have a netbook with the following specs: Intel core i5 3317u 4GB of memory Intel HD graphics 4000 There is no way I'll be able to play PC version of Dust 514 and I would rather just buy a PS4 instead of upgrading what I have because my netbook still works just fine (aside from gaming). when she was good, she was very good indeed, but when she was bad she shot you in the face.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:43:00 - [36] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Quote: I agree and have issues with the OP's assumption. I already explained how I came to the announcement in my rhetorical question. I think someone had been skipping posts. Quote: First, it there is an EVE based FPS moved to newer hardware, it is not going to be a straight port. It will be closer to a sequel. I do not think moving from UE3 to UE4 would be that complicated and that would likely be the main upgrade. Quote: Second, given that, and given the fact the PC audience does not greatly overlap with the PS audience, there is little reason to arbitrarily end Dust on the PS3, and it would be a tremendous insult from CCP to do such a thing until the business model says its time. CCP already said they wanted to move to PC for Legion (as said in an earlier post which you must of skimmed over). Furthermore, as a software company, I doubt CCP would want to support a single game on 2 separate platforms especially with (1) Shanghai being as small as it already is and (2) PS3 being a dying platform. Quote: Frankly, I think it was his intention to be insulting and inflammatory, or at best he is demonstrating a narrow mindedness I put thought behind my statements. If only everyone did the same. You are correct on it being more of a sequel. Dust has already essentially been ended on the PS3. We are operating on minimal support per the Legion announcement and the little progress made since then. Most would probably refer to it as a holding pattern. They announced Legion but then got a very clear message on how the player base felt about a move to PC. So clear in fact that new company policy was written silencing any talks of future moves. 2 different platforms is 2 different user bases with minimal amount of over lap. Going to PC would leave them taking money out of their left pocket to put it in the right. On a revenue basis it just does not add up now that they have learned that the console is viable with some basic good management and proper monetizing strategies. Maybe I missed some other post of yours but I see no thought behind your questions at all. You asked a question that had already been presented by CCP with absolutely no grounds on why someone should even answer your question. I have to agree that as presented here you seemed to be completely inflammatory by presenting a highly biased hypothetical situation that is obviously meant to be opposite to what tons of people are saying. This is not April 2014. Legion is pretty much accepted as vapor ware right now. CCP has been silent on any future for over a year now. Rattati has completely changed what our balance sheets look like when accounting goes to break down numbers on where the best investment is post PS3 death. CCP has shown to now have an amazing relationship with Sony and is even about to release a PS4 VR game. If you want to hide behind old facts and refuse to play in the present don't do it through hypothetical situations that you then try to back up with half truths. This only shows just how damaging CCP's silence really is right now. The entire fate of this game is hinging on passive aggressive rumor mongers who likely would not blink an eye if Dust was shut down tomorrow. This is on CCP and when the negativity finally empties out this server they will have no one to blame but them self. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
Moorian Flav 346	Posted - 2015.11.10 21:57:00 - [37] - Quote EVE Valkyrie is developed by a totally different team than DUST is. Not only that but Valkyrie is going to be on both PC and PS4. Therefore, EVE Valkyrie did not enter into my forethought for the question I posed. As said, I work off of facts and info. Yes, some of the info might not be up to date but there is not really any up to date info to go off of so I've worked with what I got. I made this thread for 2 reasons: 1. For players to see how the playerbase would react if a specific long term course was set for DUST (explaing CCP's silence so far). 2. For CCP to see info of any kind would likely be better than silence. Now I am not so sure about that one. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 756	Posted - 2015.11.10 22:04:00 - [38] - Quote I ** in my pants and rebuild NF and ** in my pants again CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF
Moorian Flav 346	Posted - 2015.11.10 22:06:00 - [39] - Quote Quote: I ** in my pants and rebuild NF and ** in my pants again LOL Posts like this aren't bad either. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.10 22:10:00 - [40] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: EVE Valkyrie is developed by a totally different team than DUST is. Not only that but Valkyrie is going to be on both PC and PS4. Therefore, tEVE Valkyrie did not enter into my forethought for the question I posed. As said, I worked off of facts and info. Yes, some of the info might not be up to date but there is not really any up to date info to go off of. I made this post for 2 reasons: 1. For players to see how the playerbase would react if a specific long term course was set for DUST. 2. For CCP to see info of any kind would likely be better than silence. Now I am not so sure. That is correct that Valkyrie is in a totally different studio but CCP has a very long history of shuffling people from studio to studio. Look up what the WoD developers were doing half the time WoD was going down the drain. You can also look into Team True Grit (I think was the name) who was a traveling team that worked on both Eve and Dust periodically way back in the day. You are also correct on the dual platform thing which is kind of funny. Valkyrie was originally on Oculus and then magically made the jump to PS4 as well only proving what myself and many others have said about the PS4 being designed around PC architecture to make this possible. If they can do it with Valkyrie why is it so impossible to think that a PC game they stopped talking about over a year ago could not make the same jump. Did you know that CCP took out 20 million dollars in convertible bonds to fund the final launch of Dust and advertising and has since paid that loan back in full? That happened after fanfest 14 and after Rattati took over meaning he seriously shook up the landscape with his new monetizing strategies. Before that CCP stood to take either a loss in cash to pay that loan back or a loss in equity through allowing those bonds to be converted. Did you know that Legion included the announcement that only server side hot fixes would be done? This was later totally reversed as we have now had several. That is another huge change since the data you are trying to go on. Did you know that CCP recently opened a position for a marketing director in which the job description specifically points out a list of things for Dust? Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.11.10 22:44:00 - [41] - Quote @ OP Fair enough, and I went back and read through your posts I missed. While I can see the possibility of them just shutting down, I cannot see it as a major possibility. So long as the game is profitable, it will be online. You can say what you will about dying this and that, but the most populous online CoD game is still BlOps 2, which has no current gen version. Perhaps they are all on PC, but they did not break down the numbers. Either way, as I said regarding the needs of the business model, it would be foolish of CCP to throw away money just by arbitrarily picking a date. Not to mention the uproar, and disenfranchisement if they do not give enough warning, and I don't think that Q2 would be enough, though no one can be certain. RE: Legion announcement, it wasn't just a shift from UE3 to UE4. There were a number of arrangements that changed systema completely, especially dropsuits. And I can't imagine CCP moving to PC or even PS4 and having the same EWAR. All that in mind, while I agree that the PC is the most likely next step, it will not be a straight up port, and I do not see enough people leaving from the PS3 to PC to suggest Dust will no longer be profitable to run alongside "Legion" or whatever they wish to call it. As an aside, I can tell you that if I made a gaming PC it would be to play Star Citizen and Star Marine, not anything EVE related. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 607	Posted - 2015.11.11 01:39:00 - [42] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: How would you react if CCP made the following announcement about DUST? DUST porting to PC DUST PS3 version current and future revenue is going toward development of the PC port while also making small enhancements to PS3 version. All characters and SP will transfer over from PS3 version to PC version (tied via registered email). DUST PS3 version will no longer be supported after Q2 2016 as DUST PC version will come online. I am just curious how players would react if CCP were more forthcoming with future plans. Again, this is merely rhetorical; not rumor mongering. I'd be pumped! Though I'd rather have it on console for ease of use the fact that hypothetically more room for potential growth I'd be totally for it.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.11.11 01:47:00 - [43] - Quote Furiously drop orbitals on planets while on my WalMart laptop Then build a Dust side corporation to aid my eve players in the other corporation to take over citadels and planets.... Im just a glorified blueberry
GRIMm grin Chaos Core 2	Posted - 2015.11.11 06:53:00 - [44] - Quote I would lament this announcement as I don't have a pc capable nor will I in any near future also seems counter productive trying to appeal to players of a much more time consuming game I.e. eve with a game such as dust would seem only a slight distraction to those players ti me also eve costs quite a bit more money to play than dust so how many of those players would pay money on dust? Yes I am a bit biased as I own a ps4 but then there is also is also the problems others have voiced such as hackers and the like
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.11.11 16:59:00 - [45] - Quote There is not enough time in the world to play dust and eve and hope to earn a living too. Not to mention having a decent toon on either. Also, eve being subscription based means those players are paying one game already. From 15 years of experience, when one pays a game, they hardly ever pay another. Even when money flows like wine. Console has a very EA brand of f2p.. Dust breaks that mold (warbarge being dubious however) by being more of a 'pay to win next month' than right away. Outside of APEX, there's no way to start a toon, pay, and access endgame gears. (and be able to use them, as one gets exp/ofc from barge/boxes) This is something I enjoy about dust very much. It just fits. Sit on my couch with the wireless and big screen. Press one button, whole thing fires up. No need to update drivers and such, just navigate and press. Bam, handing out free rail sabot to all takers in less than three minutes. Outside of pshome, I've never seen a console game with an ingame community like Dust. You make real actual friends, exchange psn and fb, helI, I've got a few of ya in my phone o.O With home being closed, dust is the only reason for my ps3 keyboard. Taking this game away from console would be the end of an era. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.11.11 17:34:00 - [46] - Quote Personally I would be saddened. I believe in the original vision of this game as a way to bring console players into New Eden and have them work together with PC gamers in EVE Online to the mutual benefit of both. I happen to have recently upgraded to a gaming PC so it would be in my own best interest for the game to move there because I wouldn't have to buy a PS4. That said, I still support the original vision, and I know quite a few people who either can't afford or don't wish to acquire a gaming PC just to follow one game. I believe CCP should stick to their original vision and the current community who made this game profitable despite its flaws. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Paulus Phen502 Capital Acquisitions LLC 97	Posted - 2015.11.11 17:51:00 - [47] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: How would you react if CCP made the following announcement about DUST? DUST porting to PC DUST PS3 version current and future revenue is going toward development of the PC port while also making small enhancements to PS3 version. All characters and SP will transfer over from PS3 version to PC version (tied via registered email). DUST PS3 version will no longer be supported after Q2 2016 as DUST PC version will come online. I am just curious how players would react if CCP were more forthcoming with future plans. Again, this is merely rhetorical; not rumor mongering. I would be sad and I would be glad. The current state of the game and the dwindling player base along with the upcoming Christmas game releases just about ends any question to me. I still play everyday(750 consecutive) and it's my favorite but all the waiting for matches, officer stomps, glitching throught the warbarge over and over just has worn on me not to mention the purpose full unbalancing of certian officer gear designed to favor certain playstyles. I don't think I could compete with the rampant cheating and 5000$ gaming PCs out there in PC gaming land but I would try to play it on PC and just be glad to see the game continue. But I think even that at this point is a dream, our only hope is that a studio will pick up on some of the principles of Dust(Enigma reference anybody?). You know the things that make it different in style and substance and keep me playing it over the other shooters.(the way you level skills, the economy, Planetary Control, ect...). "There's no stoppin' what can't be stopped, no killin' what can't be killed," King Willie Predator II.


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