DUST Search - Another worthless session

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

korrah silain wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

korrah silain wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch.

Of course it is, but it does not make for fun gameplay when an entire team has established their defenses and as such your teams only hope becomes coordination that, at least in pubs ain't gonna happen. Not saying its not legit, and yes irl its called overwatch but in a game I call it camping. I'm just saying that seeing as most of the objectives are next to rooftops that are unreachable without dropships the go to tactic becomes control the rooftop and shoot down at anyone trying to hack. Not. Fun.

It is called defending the point. What is the point of capturing something if you can't defend it?

Even if we got rid of dom.

People still camp in skirm, people still camp in aqc, and even in ambush, people still camp.

Domination is not the only gamemode where people camp.

No but it IS the only game mode (I'm leaving out acq because that one is just bad for so many other reasons) in which camping will win the entire game, if people camp in skirm the entire team isn't camping one point, so just attack a weaker point. There are options, and as for ambush at least it's harder to camp because of the lack of vehicles allowing people to set up unassailable bases.

The statement in ambush is untrue, one guy with myos that has link and *poof* the camping begins.

And as for the statement where Domination is the only gamemode where camping wil win the entire game, this is also untrue. Defending that position wins the game and working as a team wins the game. Not camping.

you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.

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Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 539	Posted - 2015.11.09 19:55:00 - [1] - Quote 5 games played this morning. 5 losses. 5 unbalanced team games. 5 protostomper games. 3 redline games. It's just not fun anymore. If you're lucky, you might get one good game. But in a quick session, fat chance. Maybe it's bad luck, but I can't seem to catch a break in even these losing games. More deaths to grenades or indirect fire, shooting plasma cannons into groups of 3 on the point and getting 0 kills then headshot sniped, tank rail cannon sniping from redline nails me while killing a pro suit toe to toe. Just been one of those days I guess... ******!
Hawkings Greenback Dead Man's Game 439	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:10:00 - [2] - Quote Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause "Forum Lurker" since 2012
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 539	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:13:00 - [3] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause No doubt, but my queue for times for any thing else were substantially longer earlier today. Ugh, this game...
korrah silain True Illuminate 150	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:23:00 - [4] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause Yeah dom sucks I don't get why it exists its just a campfest. Skirmish at least lets you try to circumvent the atomp and go after less heavily guarded objectives. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:25:00 - [5] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
korrah silain True Illuminate 150	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:28:00 - [6] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
korrah silain True Illuminate 153	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Of course it is, but it does not make for fun gameplay when an entire team has established their defenses and as such your teams only hope becomes coordination that, at least in pubs ain't gonna happen. Not saying its not legit, and yes irl its called overwatch but in a game I call it camping. I'm just saying that seeing as most of the objectives are next to rooftops that are unreachable without dropships the go to tactic becomes control the rooftop and shoot down at anyone trying to hack. Not. Fun. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:34:00 - [9] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And neverending lag ;) *"I'm glad there is still Fallout because game development is dead."* `One common gamer`
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 544	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:34:00 - [10] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. Agreed. As a game mode its fine, it exists in so many FPS games. A single point capture doesn't have inherent flaws. It works in all kinds of games. It doesn't work so well in Dust because of surrounding mechanics. Rooftop camping/inaccessible spawns above points, mass drivers, grenade/hive spam and stomps make domination a very easy mode to take advantage of. I notice far less protostomping in other game modes and fewer squad stomps. I think the majority of stomp squads gravitate towards domination because it is the easiest to farm in. You can let the other team cap the point and just slaughter them down to clone cap, I see it happen all the time. A stomp squad will purposefully avoid the point until the enemy team has about half of their clones left. Then they'll cap the point and farm down the rest of the blueberries, maxing their rewards. TL;DR - Domination sucks with Dusts features and mechanics.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 28	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:35:00 - [11] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Real armies in real wars don't obligingly send in 16 man teams to meet 16 man teams over specified areas and wait for their soldiers to get a 'score' before airstriking. They airstrike the hell out of everything and then send in overwhelming force and armour. Now, why isn't this in DUST? Because it isn't good gameplay. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Kaze, you are best logi. Best. Logi.
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:36:00 - [12] - Quote korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Of course it is, but it does not make for fun gameplay when an entire team has established their defenses and as such your teams only hope becomes coordination that, at least in pubs ain't gonna happen. Not saying its not legit, and yes irl its called overwatch but in a game I call it camping. I'm just saying that seeing as most of the objectives are next to rooftops that are unreachable without dropships the go to tactic becomes control the rooftop and shoot down at anyone trying to hack. Not. Fun. It is called defending the point. What is the point of capturing something if you can't defend it? Even if we got rid of dom. People still camp in skirm, people still camp in aqc, and even in ambush, people still camp. Domination is not the only gamemode where people camp. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
korrah silain True Illuminate 153	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:37:00 - [13] - Quote Wow this thread got hijacked quick. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 544	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:38:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Don't run domination, also support this forum warrior in his latest cause I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Real armies in real wars don't obligingly send in 16 man teams to meet 16 man teams over specified areas and wait for their soldiers to get a 'score' before airstriking. They airstrike the hell out of everything and then send in overwhelming force and armour. Now, why isn't this in DUST? Because it isn't good gameplay. First 5 minutes of every game is map wide orbital bombardments... What running around in that lag fest dying endlessly wouldn't be fun?!
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:38:00 - [15] - Quote Also, domination is the only game mode where I have actually had good close games, most skirms or acq I've been in have been straight up stomps. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 546	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:40:00 - [16] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Also, domination is the only game mode where I have actually had good close games, most skirms or acq I've been in have been straight up stomps. The best games I've had in Dust and the worst games I've had in Dust have both been in Domination. Playing domination is like reverse Russian roulette. Most games games you blow your brains out, but every once in awhile click and you have a great game.
korrah silain True Illuminate 155	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:40:00 - [17] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: I really don't think domination being removed will fix anything. The only reason it sucks is because of a bad matchmaker. And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Of course it is, but it does not make for fun gameplay when an entire team has established their defenses and as such your teams only hope becomes coordination that, at least in pubs ain't gonna happen. Not saying its not legit, and yes irl its called overwatch but in a game I call it camping. I'm just saying that seeing as most of the objectives are next to rooftops that are unreachable without dropships the go to tactic becomes control the rooftop and shoot down at anyone trying to hack. Not. Fun. It is called defending the point. What is the point of capturing something if you can't defend it? Even if we got rid of dom. People still camp in skirm, people still camp in aqc, and even in ambush, people still camp. Domination is not the only gamemode where people camp. No but it IS the only game mode (I'm leaving out acq because that one is just bad for so many other reasons) in which camping will win the entire game, if people camp in skirm the entire team isn't camping one point, so just attack a weaker point. There are options, and as for ambush at least it's harder to camp because of the lack of vehicles allowing people to set up unassailable bases. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:42:00 - [18] - Quote A worthless session in a worthless game... Who woulda thunk it? Minotaur Master Race Violently penetrating you since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:44:00 - [19] - Quote korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: And camping. Don't forget the camping. Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Of course it is, but it does not make for fun gameplay when an entire team has established their defenses and as such your teams only hope becomes coordination that, at least in pubs ain't gonna happen. Not saying its not legit, and yes irl its called overwatch but in a game I call it camping. I'm just saying that seeing as most of the objectives are next to rooftops that are unreachable without dropships the go to tactic becomes control the rooftop and shoot down at anyone trying to hack. Not. Fun. It is called defending the point. What is the point of capturing something if you can't defend it? Even if we got rid of dom. People still camp in skirm, people still camp in aqc, and even in ambush, people still camp. Domination is not the only gamemode where people camp. No but it IS the only game mode (I'm leaving out acq because that one is just bad for so many other reasons) in which camping will win the entire game, if people camp in skirm the entire team isn't camping one point, so just attack a weaker point. There are options, and as for ambush at least it's harder to camp because of the lack of vehicles allowing people to set up unassailable bases. The statement in ambush is untrue, one guy with myos that has link and poof the camping begins. And as for the statement where Domination is the only gamemode where camping wil win the entire game, this is also untrue. Defending that position wins the game and working as a team wins the game. Not camping. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
Hawkings Greenback Dead Man's Game 443	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:49:00 - [20] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Wow this thread got hijacked quick. Thank you, any time. "Forum Lurker" since 2012

korrah silain True Illuminate 155	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:55:00 - [21] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: korrah silain wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Camping is a legitimate tactic that is employed by real armies in real wars. And where I come from, they don't call it camping, they call it overwatch. Of course it is, but it does not make for fun gameplay when an entire team has established their defenses and as such your teams only hope becomes coordination that, at least in pubs ain't gonna happen. Not saying its not legit, and yes irl its called overwatch but in a game I call it camping. I'm just saying that seeing as most of the objectives are next to rooftops that are unreachable without dropships the go to tactic becomes control the rooftop and shoot down at anyone trying to hack. Not. Fun. It is called defending the point. What is the point of capturing something if you can't defend it? Even if we got rid of dom. People still camp in skirm, people still camp in aqc, and even in ambush, people still camp. Domination is not the only gamemode where people camp. No but it IS the only game mode (I'm leaving out acq because that one is just bad for so many other reasons) in which camping will win the entire game, if people camp in skirm the entire team isn't camping one point, so just attack a weaker point. There are options, and as for ambush at least it's harder to camp because of the lack of vehicles allowing people to set up unassailable bases. The statement in ambush is untrue, one guy with myos that has link and poof the camping begins. And as for the statement where Domination is the only gamemode where camping wil win the entire game, this is also untrue. Defending that position wins the game and working as a team wins the game. Not camping. So...you mean that an infantry suit with a simmaler ammount of myos could take care of the spawns? Well there ya go my ambush statement holds true. As for your second statement once the entire team is concentrated on an unassailable point and have taken up positions around a single letter it requires an entire team synchronised(a difficult task) to shift them. In skirmish their forces have to be broken up to cover all the objectives, the team has to start making choices other than 'what massdriver should I fire down at the other team' so yeah the camping in dom very quickly rises past 'point defence' levels. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 546	Posted - 2015.11.09 21:05:00 - [22] - Quote I love all the customizability in Dust, thats what makes it unique. Being able to create your own role is what makes merc a merc. But I just can't help but feel some games would never include certain features with the way the maps are set up. ADS Snipers on skyscrapers, myos jumping all over bases, the best geared players fighting the least geared players and certain weapon spam like grenades with hives simply don't make sense here! All of those features can be tuned, either by tweaking map design or those abilities/features but as it stands new players think this game is broken or something. I've tried to get multiple friends to try it out with me and only 1 has stayed, because he had 21mil SP upon redownloading and logging in on an old character. I only have 7.5mil after about 3 months in. The guys who stopped playing did so within the first weeks and they all said the same things: "I get killed too fast and its taking too long to get better gear" (This is definitely the most common reason) "Why can some people jump so high around me while fighting?" "How do I get up to where they are camping?" "Can I just buy more SP?" As a noob myself I did my best to answer their concerns but most aren't easy answers. These are things I see echoed in the Rookie forums and also in real life, as I continue to ask people to try it out what being F2P and all. So where as the guys who have been around can see the deeper more underlying problems, new players are stuck with a very shallow glimpse into Dust. And those are the things they glean from their surface level perspectives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 28	Posted - 2015.11.09 21:41:00 - [23] - Quote As ever, good insights from someone new enough to really feel these problems. DUST has fundamental design problems that make it extremely hostile to newbies. I'm not a fan of them, but it's difficult to see how some of them would go. How do we simply rework rooftop camping mechanics so it's not a cancer on the game and is instead rewarding and accessible, for example? The gap between newbies and vets is substantial and does not close quickly. But it's also fundamentally tied to the monetisation of the game in such a way that even newbies paying in the hopes of advancing quickly have difficulty truly advancing quickly, whilst simultaneously entrenching the position of vets as 'necessary to monetisation'. I can spreadsheet warrior all day about this, but it would honestly take such drastic changes to really affect things on some of these vital fronts that I don't believe they'd happen. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Kaze, you are best logi. Best. Logi.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 548	Posted - 2015.11.09 21:54:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: As ever, good insights from someone new enough to really feel these problems. DUST has fundamental design problems that make it extremely hostile to newbies. I'm not a fan of them, but it's difficult to see how some of them would go. How do we simply rework rooftop camping mechanics so it's not a cancer on the game and is instead rewarding and accessible, for example? The gap between newbies and vets is substantial and does not close quickly. But it's also fundamentally tied to the monetisation of the game in such a way that even newbies paying in the hopes of advancing quickly have difficulty truly advancing quickly, whilst simultaneously entrenching the position of vets as 'necessary to monetisation'. I can spreadsheet warrior all day about this, but it would honestly take such drastic changes to really affect things on some of these vital fronts that I don't believe they'd happen. Exactly. A lot of the issues are NOT inherent problems within the features or gameplay ideas, but wrapped up together and dropped into the current game with the way maps are just seems silly. I love the idea of dropships, increased jump, mass drivers, gear progression, open maps, squad tactics and the likes. Many of which are hated on in some form or another, but there's nothing wrong with those features. It's how they are implemented and how they interact with all other elements. Right now, for lack of better words, the game is a joke. And to fix it would require major changes, play testing and multiple releases all of which require a fully staffed game studio to produce... AKA Ain't gonna happen in this Dust lifetime. I have a feeling CCP is being less direct about Dusts future because it does have one. It's probably moving in a direction and until there's something solid, keep Dust on life support. We rage and complain until one day its succesor is announced and they hope we forget all about Dust. removes tinfoil hat
Torchic Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2015.11.09 23:10:00 - [25] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: 5 games played this morning. 5 losses. 5 unbalanced team games. 5 protostomper games. 3 redline games. It's just not fun anymore. If you're lucky, you might get one good game. But in a quick session, fat chance. Maybe it's bad luck, but I can't seem to catch a break in even these losing games. More deaths to grenades or indirect fire, shooting plasma cannons into groups of 3 on the point and getting 0 kills then headshot sniped, tank rail cannon sniping from redline nails me while killing a pro suit toe to toe. Just been one of those days I guess... ******! Wouldn't that be 18 games? Notice me daddy!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 28	Posted - 2015.11.09 23:23:00 - [26] - Quote Torchic wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: 5 games played this morning. 5 losses. 5 unbalanced team games. 5 protostomper games. 3 redline games. It's just not fun anymore. If you're lucky, you might get one good game. But in a quick session, fat chance. Maybe it's bad luck, but I can't seem to catch a break in even these losing games. More deaths to grenades or indirect fire, shooting plasma cannons into groups of 3 on the point and getting 0 kills then headshot sniped, tank rail cannon sniping from redline nails me while killing a pro suit toe to toe. Just been one of those days I guess... ******! Wouldn't that be 18 games? I hope you aren't just adding those up... Here's some set theory for you. A match being a member of the set 'loss' does not exclude it from being a member of the set 'unbalanced team games', or 'protostomper games', or 'redline games'. They can be several at the same time. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Kaze, you are best logi. Best. Logi.
korrah silain True Illuminate 157	Posted - 2015.11.09 23:35:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Torchic wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: 5 games played this morning. 5 losses. 5 unbalanced team games. 5 protostomper games. 3 redline games. It's just not fun anymore. If you're lucky, you might get one good game. But in a quick session, fat chance. Maybe it's bad luck, but I can't seem to catch a break in even these losing games. More deaths to grenades or indirect fire, shooting plasma cannons into groups of 3 on the point and getting 0 kills then headshot sniped, tank rail cannon sniping from redline nails me while killing a pro suit toe to toe. Just been one of those days I guess... ******! Wouldn't that be 18 games? I hope you aren't just adding those up... Here's some set theory for you. A match being a member of the set 'loss' does not exclude it from being a member of the set 'unbalanced team games', or 'protostomper games', or 'redline games'. They can be several at the same time. XD logic programming buuuuurn you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 553	Posted - 2015.11.10 16:16:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Torchic wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: 5 games played this morning. 5 losses. 5 unbalanced team games. 5 protostomper games. 3 redline games. It's just not fun anymore. If you're lucky, you might get one good game. But in a quick session, fat chance. Maybe it's bad luck, but I can't seem to catch a break in even these losing games. More deaths to grenades or indirect fire, shooting plasma cannons into groups of 3 on the point and getting 0 kills then headshot sniped, tank rail cannon sniping from redline nails me while killing a pro suit toe to toe. Just been one of those days I guess... ******! Wouldn't that be 18 games? I hope you aren't just adding those up... Here's some set theory for you. A match being a member of the set 'loss' does not exclude it from being a member of the set 'unbalanced team games', or 'protostomper games', or 'redline games'. They can be several at the same time. Lol thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was pretty obvious but I can see his confusion. Lol.
JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.10 16:47:00 - [29] - Quote I run dom and its the quickest match. Ambush NO. **** that. Dom all the way. I've been getting these 5 key rewards lol. Just log on, win 1 battle and log off. 15 minutes only. Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"


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