What about zoom level when ADS, Morte? Would it help too much (or hurt) if increased slightly?

Why would we buff the laser rifle?

Laser Rifle aiming is everything and the most crucial part of using it. What you said about the Scrambler is true in close range, but at long range it does require skill to use and precision aiming.

It is very unlikely that they will buff it anytime soon, hell after the discussion of a few months ago they said it wasn't too bad. But seeing as how they have already dealt with the weapons they were concerned with... If any buff does happen it will probably be clipsize.

Every race apart form Amarr has a light AV weapon...

Don't hesitate, make the LR AV.

Again, clipsize buff has already been decided upon months ago, if anything changes with this weapon that will be one of the things.

Every race apart form Amarr has a light AV weapon...

Don't hesitate, make the LR AV.

It was back a few months ago, it was the first CPM Feedback thread. As for the AV LR, that would be our Breach Variant as Blaz has already said...

I already have the stats for a new varient of a laser rifle that will require no new assets. I call it the "Breach Laser Rifle"

This is what I meant lol! In the hands of a skilled operator the tac and burst can be deadly with the RoF, but you lose more in accuracy, which is the highlight of the weapons, than you gain in RoF.

The RoF bonus shows its colors mainly on the breach and assault plasma rifles more than ever.

Dont. If the Laser is usable on the amarr commando because overheat isnt as quick the damage bonus will lead to an inevitable nerf of the laser rifle, Its a bad idea, and everyone will just switch over to the amarr commando seeing as how many already have an amarr commando or at least level3 basic heavys to have specced into amarr sent. You wont be making it more viable on other suits, you'll be giving it a damage buff and making it a new fotm for commandos lasers.
Believe me the viktors will be a serious problem even moreso than now.
The reason the non officer lasers arent OP now is because damage modded theyre just below the instant kill dps of a damage modded officer LR, The 10% dmg will push them over the edge when damage modded commando proto lasers can get that big enough max damage window but doing viktors level damage.

Yeah, I have done the math and a Commando at level 5 with a proto viziam lr with no proficiency will still do do 943 less damage before overheating than an Amarr Assault at level 5 under the same circumstances.

If you looked at my proposal, then that is exactly what I have done.

I actually did it by 3% because I wanted it to be weaker than the 5% that the Amarr Assault got, but I wasn't sure which number to go with.

Actually it does say when you first spawn in, "Continuous fire increases damage dealt" or something like that.

Actually it does say when you first spawn in, "Continuous fire increases damage dealt" or something like that.

A heat build up reduction goes into a bit of an unexplained area.

Some say that continuous fire builds damage on the laser rifle while others say it is simply tied to the amount of heat the weapon has built up. Personally I feel like it is tied to heat build up.


So we enter into 2 very different but very broken scenarios.

Option A) Damage is tied to continuous fire.

If this is the case then a huge reduction to heat build up then the commando would be able to reach DPS levels that the LR was never meant to reach. Add that in with damage mods and warbarge bonuses and we revert to the old days of the laser rifle becoming a light saber that you just swing around with the damage built up and cut people in half.

Needless to say shield users will flip and the nerf is already incoming.


Option B) Damage is tied to heat build up

This would mean that by giving the commando a reduction to heat build up you are making it take longer to reach the DPS levels of every other suit which is effectively a nerf. That would also lower the total damage output of single clip which seems odd as a "bonus".

This just makes it even less popular than it is and hurts the current users.




The solution to either problem is simple.

Give the commando an increased bonus to cool down time. The exact number on this would depend heavily on which mechanic actually multiplies the damage but no matter what it proves to be far more beneficial than playing with heat build up which I think we have already seen is one tough cookie to balance.

it is not tied to heat build up its tied to continuous fire you are completely wrong

But I am comparing vic to both bons and ghals.
I make the claim that vic's performance gain is way greater than bons' or ghal's.
Ghal RR is, after all, 'just' a rail rifle.


The extreme beam on -time has a lot to do about it. Not overheating is a crutch, weapon of that type (laser) should always have that management to consider.

The only change I am even entertaining as more than a bad joke would be splitting and combining the amarr assault and the operation skills.

I.E. amarr assault gets 2% heat reduction, 3% cooldown

But the operation gets 3% heat reduction, 2% cooldown.

Anything else just hits me as a bad idea because I agree, the weapon is actually very good in the right hands. But putting a straight heat reduction on the commando would necessitate removing the damage bonus most likely.

So some variation of the above is the most likely solution rather than adding to the laser rifle's damage.

As I said, I'm looking at zero-sum changes that make the weapon easier to deploy on other suits but don't buff the weapon for the amssault overall, nor take away the amarr assault cooldown supremacy.

Actually making the laser more effective at a baseline would absolutely create an FOTM dumpster gun. Something none of us want.

But the weapon being useless on every other suit needs to be flyshed straight down the toilet