Anyone who pulls out Proto swarms?

A couple of days ago in Line Harvest, it took 4 of us to blow you up and even then, you only died because you got stuck trying to back up through the tabletop while we all focused on you. Let's not forget that your team left or stayed in the redline, so it was really just your tank vs a 14 man team.

I think you went about 20-1 that match? You should've just stuck to your hit and run tactics instead of trying to get kills near the objective. You could have gone 20-0.

When you only die because you get stuck and have at least 4 people focusing fire on you and they have no one shooting at them, you have OP tanks. I honestly feel like saying 'f*ck it' and pricing all vehicles and vehicle mods/turrets so they cost the same as a dropsuit just so they can't use price as an excuse for being OP. People are constantly saying 'use teamwork to kill tanks, it's easy to squad up and fight together' but tankers in no way have to follow their own advice. 1v1 is balanced, 1v4 where the 1 only dies due to a mistake is not.

@Baal

Good stuff, man.

@Duster/Jerrmy

I don't know what else to say. Baal already covered everything. However, I will say this: anyone with Proto swarms has a slight chance to kill your dual-hardened Madrugar gv.0--but only with enough teamwork and if the conditions are just right. You simply died because of an error on your part, but if you hadn't blundered, you would have left that match unscathed.

I was Lt Shanx in that match: the triple complex damage modded level 5 proficiency Wirykomi SL wielding MinMando who was chasing you down the entire time. You got me like 5 times that match. Good game.

duster you're proving my point nicely. you've already stated that vs at least 4 experienced players running proto AV you only died because you had a controller malfunction. and 20-1 (20-0 without controller malfunction remember) is fine because 20 kills is you 'surviving but not fighting back' and killing shanks proto minmando 150k+ ISK suit 5 times is fine because your skills are immense.

Shield tanks are fine.

Armor could use a little rebalancing. Firstly is their speed. Bring them more inline with shield tanks, having slightly faster base speed, slightly slower acceleration, and buff their god forsaken turn speed. This should keep them from nitroing and escaping AV plus strafing missiles and rail shots.

Secondly, give a longer interval between heavy rep cycles, compensating with more rep per cycle. I don't think active reps would be good. The longer interval should leave an opening for AV and turrets to alpha through the armor reps.

Just my thoughts.

Funny how people who call themselves tankers and those who never play the game are defending tanks as if they were weak.

Bunch of hypocrite assholes who think it's balanced to die once every 10 battles just because their tank cost 1M+ ISK. ISK should not be the only balance factor. Right now it is.

Anyone with a brain will never lose its proto tank unless 6+ guys decides to use proto AV and focus him... and still !! But how many times does this happen anyway ?

Best TLDR ever btw : clean and concise.

Although I think you are probably using your tanks when you know you have good match ups

And there is also the possibility you are actually a good tanker

Your main point is correct and valid.

Running AV is a nightmare and unrewarding or boring and a waste of time

The opposite is true now for ADS pilots as they are now getting swatted out out of the skies.

They have never gotten the AV vs vehicle balance right.

Other than the copious amount of cool story bro on display here, have you tanked in a PC?

Sadly, quoted for truth.

Good on Iron delta for anti dropships work, pretty meh on everything else.

so if i was so bad at av why am i finding tanking really easy?

And this is why vehicles need cap...

Then no one would say it's easy... Hmm.

Tank pilots be dying left right and center... All these 2x hards with active armor repair while shooting a hybrid turret would be suicide on a cap based system. Only the good ones will stand out.

runs a proto tank.

comes to conclusion proto is powerful.

what insight.

Yeh im not rising to that troll post. nice try. BTW i didnt imply tanks dont retreat to the redline, you created your own meaning there... not that you need the redline in any map with a large socket theres plenty of cover and/or distance.

I've run 4 matches with a gunner i know, the rest were just blue dots who occasionally kill infantry but mostly take potshots at railgun turrets. with 2 infantry i knew it would be proper ******* lol, god mode plus.

As well as running tanks on my alt im doing other battles on foot and noticing players have specced into tanks and are going 20-0 etc... players I recognise and can kill as infantry. This is encouraging as it means its reaching FOTM status so a nerf should be incoming, hopefully soon.

love the way you have to shift to an analogy about infantry suits becasue stating 'Sure 1 proto AV could 1v1 a Proto tank' is blatantly stretching it.

I'm pretty sure the metrics will back me up and proto tanks will get nerfed, just a question of time really.