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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2015.10.29 07:21:00 -
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I've been AV since replication, it's nice to hear your perspective. It sounds just as I'd suspected as well. There IS no way to solo a tank that is properly fitted and competently driven and vehicle drivers STILL complain about how squishy they are.
Oh, and ignore English Snake (Takihiro). He's a whiney little tank b!tch who doesn't know how to do anything BUT complain about tanks.
@English Snake: So you'd rather go back to Chromosome when we COULD solo fully fitted, properly driven tanks (as it should be) and it wasn't a team effort to kill 1 f*cking guy? I'm down, sign me up right f*cking now and I will wreck you like I used to wreck Zitro, Noc, you, Spkr and every other little tank clown back in open beta.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2015.10.29 07:45:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:OP, you're full of bullshit.
anyone who pulls out proto swarms or a forge will wreck you, and most of my matches i can't do **** with those commando swarms.
every play domination? Anyone who pulls out Proto swarms? A couple of days ago in Line Harvest, it took 4 of us to blow you up and even then, you only died because you got stuck trying to back up through the tabletop while we all focused on you. Let's not forget that your team left or stayed in the redline, so it was really just your tank vs a 14 man team. I think you went about 20-1 that match? You should've just stuck to your hit and run tactics instead of trying to get kills near the objective. You could have gone 20-0. my anolog stick messes up alot so i got stuck. btw i was running double hardeners, if i had 1 or 0 my hp went down very quickly where were the forges? why didn't i get flanked? why was i the only tank? where were the RE's? i was in cover the whole time anyways
Your point was that anyone with proto swarms could kill you and now your making excuses when called on your bullshit. You just failed so hard.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2015.10.29 08:22:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:let me resphrase it then
the only way to survive is with 2 hardeners active
atleast long enough, as with 1 hardener i dip below 50% hp alot, from 1 lock on weapon
the range nerf was stupid, though
When a tank can kill or be killed 1v1 against infantry, you have balanced tanks. When you only die because you get stuck and have at least 4 people focusing fire on you and they have no one shooting at them, you have OP tanks. I honestly feel like saying 'f*ck it' and pricing all vehicles and vehicle mods/turrets so they cost the same as a dropsuit just so they can't use price as an excuse for being OP. People are constantly saying 'use teamwork to kill tanks, it's easy to squad up and fight together' but tankers in no way have to follow their own advice. 1v1 is balanced, 1v4 where the 1 only dies due to a mistake is not. How you fit the vehicle doesn't factor into that basic equation.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2015.10.29 09:13:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:When you only die because you get stuck and have at least 4 people focusing fire on you and they have no one shooting at them, you have OP tanks. I honestly feel like saying 'f*ck it' and pricing all vehicles and vehicle mods/turrets so they cost the same as a dropsuit just so they can't use price as an excuse for being OP. People are constantly saying 'use teamwork to kill tanks, it's easy to squad up and fight together' but tankers in no way have to follow their own advice. 1v1 is balanced, 1v4 where the 1 only dies due to a mistake is not. your team just didn't know how to AV. i was in cover and using 2 hardeners, and no one flanked me, no forge gun, all you had to do was not staying in 1 spot. if i was using 1 hardener i'd be dead, & have instant death on cooldown. blaster accuracy needs a slight buff, and using 1 hardener needs to be viable, i tried using one, it fails so hard, double hardener needs a penalty, swarm nerf needs undoing.
Your beef was 'anyone who pulls out proto swarms or a forge will wreck you'. I can pull swarms on an ADV or PRO tank and as long as the driver is even semi competent that tank isn't dying. It requires teamwork to even have a CHANCE to kill a proper tank right now, so regardless of what fits need to be viable for vehicles the problem of 1v1 needs to be addressed first.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2015.10.29 10:56:00 -
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rpastry wrote:even with one hardener active a proto madrugar can shrug off a full clip of proto swarms easily. like REALLY easily.
1st round hits;
wiyrkomi 1248 base damage +10% suit bonus +14% 2 complex light dmg mods = 1548. Proficiency bonus n/a cos its against the maddys shields, -20% damage vs shields brings it down again to 1238.
so that takes out the maddys shield
at this point I activate basic light shield booster giving me 900 shield back before 2nd round hits.
second round hits, same again for 900 of the 1238 dmg. 338 gets through to armour. this is now modded +15% for proficiency and +20% for profile, = 456, but then -25% for hardener = 342.
as im running a 120mm complex plate i have 4585 armour. so this round knocks me down to ~4200.
3rd round hits. 1735 damage (1248+15%+10%+14%) +20% on base for dmg profile = ~1948. reduced 25
% by hardener to ~1500
this puts me on 2700 armour. just under half my total hp.
OH but i forgot im repping my armour at 137/sec while this is happening, so i'm actually not as low as that.
and by this time im easily either round a corner or 150m away with my overdrive mod.
my maths might be off by a few hundred or even a thousand, but fact remains proto swarms on a min commando in no way 'wreck' tanks and no amount of 'git gud' will change that.
I rarely even use my swarms anymore, I seem to get a higher DPS with my PLC even against armor tanks with my Minmando and a PLC with rapid reload at 5. The reload speed buff of the commando at 5 plus the reload speed at 5 on the PLC makes it far better for dealing with close tanks as you don't have to wait for a lock on and you don't have to deal with the long SL reload animation. Swarms are terrible at trying to deal with them at range anyway, so having the additional accuracy at range from the lock-on from the swarms doesn't really make enough impact to make it worth it for me to run them anymore. I shoot at close tanks until they go away, then go about my buisness. It's too frustratingly futile to try to kill them anymore so there's no point in chasing them like the old days.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2015.10.29 15:38:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I've been AV since replication, it's nice to hear your perspective. It sounds just as I'd suspected as well. There IS no way to solo a tank that is properly fitted and competently driven and vehicle drivers STILL complain about how squishy they are.
Oh, and ignore English Snake (Takihiro). He's a whiney little tank b!tch who doesn't know how to do anything BUT complain about tanks.
@English Snake: So you'd rather go back to Chromosome when we COULD solo fully fitted, properly driven tanks (as it should be) and it wasn't a team effort to kill 1 f*cking guy? I'm down, sign me up right f*cking now and I will wreck you like I used to wreck Zitro, Noc, you, Spkr and every other little tank clown back in open beta. AV solo a HAV in Chromosome? Was that when 3k+ dmg no skill invisible swarms were about? Takes no skill btw which sums you up, who are you btw?. Even back in the early days of PC vehicles had uses more than now even with broken swarms but 2 failed vehicle reworks, countless nerfs, countless removal of skills and modules and this is what we have left, deleting vehicles would be a major improvement overall at the current rate.
And of course you omit the countless off and on buffs that have gone on to vehicles through that whole process. You can posture, slur people and omit facts as much as you like but none of it will make you correct. The removals were considered by CCP to be necessary to slowly balance them over time with the new changes. While that choice was debatable, the current state of tanks is not to any intellectually honest individual. You're ignorance does nothing but shine throughout your posts. For instance:
'AV is hard? You mean it has never been easier when your butter knife can damage a HAV and weakspots have been buffed for you aswell as most weapons now cause damage to the hull.'
If a tank is stupid enough to sit still and be knifed repeatedly AV is OP? This statement is so ignorant that I can't believe your fingers would allow you to type it. More AV options does nothing to make AV stronger, it only serves to make it more common. Show us a video of someone going on a multi-PROtank killing spree with knives (or any other weapon that damages the hull which you referred to) in a match against competent drivers and then someone might take that sentence seriously. Until then it's nothing but one of the most laughable trolls ever posted on the forums.
You think tank/AV balance was better in Chromosome? Put it back and watch your K/D drop like a rock, I'll sign that pettition any day. As for removing tanks, I there is nothing that I could possibly care less about happening. They are nothing but K/D farms for people with no gungame and pretty much always have been. Keep them and balance them or remove them and stop all the whining, either is fine with me.
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