Just a little 'heads up' to the people jumping straight to "Tankers got it rough yo, get gud with your swarm and av nades bro."

I am a tanker, the thing that annoys me is not tanks being unkillable, they aren't... They're just boring as ****.


Something needs to change, because they're either kill everything or get insta-popped, there's no happy medium... I've pretty much given up on av vs vehicle, as it is inherently designed to be boring, but it would be nice if vehicle vs vehicle could be more interesting.


Would honestly love it if we had to choose between outputting damage, tanking damage and repairing damage, though this would likely require a lot of work... It would add a lot of strategy to the (vehicle) game.

I think, one of the problem is :

No hardener on your tank = useless
Hardener on your tank = too powerfull

So, conclusion, you've got only 1 meta for tank player and it's very boring...

That's what we had during Chromosome. But, as usual, the special snowflakes complained that it wasn't fair that pilots were braying the hell out of each other, and that they should be the sole effective means of destroying a tank. As such, that's why we're in this position of tanks being useless and infantry still complaining that their SMG can't destroy it.

you know what would make vehicle vs av interesting


if all av users got good and realized that their tears over their inadequacy have ruined vehicles vs av for years

waaaa hardeners need nerfed


waaaa people that know how to aim blasters get kills

waaa rails can snipe

waaa waa waaa waaa i wanna pop every vehicle on the map with my gun that requires 0 aiming because i need an ego boost due to have no real life accomplishments

Hmm....

Don't like it?

I'll tell you what.

Vehicles + cap.
That's all we need. Nuff said.

Edit: think about it? Everything is different after that. vehicle v vehicle might get more fun (except ads v ads... That's actually so fun and truly is the only balanced thing anyone can do in dust imo)

Nobody can complain about things being so binary, also. AV can get a neut kinda thing... Vehicles can too, or a vamp.. A little more dynamics for us all :D

Plus, i heard if you're running multiple hards your cap just falls apart... Build that cap stable fit boi

Put Cap in, remove uptime/downtime, switch skill to max cap and module usage drain... ORRRR we have to skill each module after awhile...

Idk... But i feel that cap is the cure to all vehicle problems.




..Heck, maybe shield boost might actually work for everyone...


[edited because i realized nuff said, wasn't enough said]

To be honest the lack of micromanagement is what has caused tanking to take a downward spiral in both difficulty and fun. There is far less of a skill factor in piloting as there used to be and in my opinion, that is a huge negative.

Back when tankers needed to cycle often 2-3 hardeners and 1-2 reppera constantly, plus other active modules like damage control units...tanking was an art form. Now you can pretty much derp you way to victory because of superior modules.

I see what you mean.

Other contracts +1? Worked with teleporting

Well you both have a point (pokey and Roger)

See, micromanagement will separate the boys from the men. While you're going around... You have to think about your cap... How much do I have? Can i turn on a shield booster or armor repair if i need it? Will i use up my cap with my hybrid turret accidentally? What's the usage drain of the hardener looking like? This enemy tank has it's hardener on, but for how long? How much cap does the enemy have; how long will I wait? If i turn on all my modules can I quickly finish the fight or... Will I be completely exposed?

A lot of questions come up... Good pilots will answer them correctly based on situation, bad pilots will not... Skill becomes so heavily involved now.

But as Roger points out, a little too heavily involved for the type of system everyone is so used to. The good pilots will become the few, just like with ADS... Which I don't mind! But, it's the bad group that'll be up in arms on the forums... Tons will complain about the difficulty... Without a tutorial, many people won't even understand what cap is.... So why not change it to something we are all familiar with?




Still... I prefer cap... Maybe i'd start writing down tank pilot names, too. if that happens.

The way it would have to be implemented is like......... Any ordinary skirm, dom, etc... Just switch modules in that mode from typical on or off to use up, wait till full again.

That's what I used to love about HAV gameplay back then. Guessing your opponents fits, memorizing how long their hardeners would operate for activating your modules at the exactly the right time. Micromanaging secondary defensive modules was an art form in its own way especially when you learned what you could survive when combining modules.

Pretty much. I got to a point where I didnt even really look at my icons because I was counting in my head the seconds I had left on my reps, hardeners, DCUs, ect. and plotting paths of escape knowing how long it would take to get there. It was challenging and it was fun.

But now? Eh? Flip hardener on, when that one is up flip the other on. That's about all there is to it and a large reason why I really dislike piloting now.

Do we need a full on cap system? Maybe not. But the current philosophy is so painful unimaginative and boring, that it's really not fun anymore and applying arbitrary debuffs when a hardener is active not going to fix that underlying issue. It'll still be boring, just less effective.

to elaborate, hardeners shut off reps but they are a toggle. you can have a hardened vehicle, or you can repair. One or the otehr, with the hardener toggled on or off being the determining factor of which you are doing.

If CCP did that AV would have to go back to chrome levels as well.

HAVs need slowed down, massively. Primarily it's their acceleration: HAVs go from 0-60 in about a second, which is just waaay too fast.

Slow down HAV acceleration and there'll be a marked improvement in V/V and V/AV fights.