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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.21 12:35:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
Why does this matter? Because since the addition of weapon based render ranges models are pulled into memory as they enter that range. Frame rate drops get caused by a combination of slower memory due to high load and by slower read times of the drive itself.
Woah a new theory to work with. Go outside with a long range gun and run forward. Simulated frame-rate drop. Do you know if that's a change that was made at some point, or rendering always worked this way?
Might also explain why I never seem to suffer from lag much - fkin scout lol. My optimal range isn't usually past 40m, and if it's anything to do with the current weapon I'm holding, it's usually 2.5 - 10m.
Unholy HateGore wrote: But back to my statement of Battlefield. Why does it run fine and Dust doesn't? I think Battlefield is more complex even down to the graphics.
Battlefield is in it's 4th major iteration, and backed by a larger dev studio with experience going back a longer time. It's always going to be better optimised etc.
As for OP
Yeah Samsung works. PS3 limited by bandwidth of SATA I but it's not the bandwidth that makes a difference, it's the access times, and those will always be massively better than mechanical hard drives.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:31:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:
Why does this matter? Because since the addition of weapon based render ranges models are pulled into memory as they enter that range. Frame rate drops get caused by a combination of slower memory due to high load and by slower read times of the drive itself.
Woah a new theory to work with. Go outside with a long range gun and run forward. Simulated frame-rate drop. Do you know if that's a change that was made at some point, or rendering always worked this way? Might also explain why I never seem to suffer from lag much - fkin scout lol. My optimal range isn't usually past 40m, and if it's anything to do with the current weapon I'm holding, it's usually 2.5 - 10m. Unholy HateGore wrote: But back to my statement of Battlefield. Why does it run fine and Dust doesn't? I think Battlefield is more complex even down to the graphics.
Battlefield is in it's 4th major iteration, and backed by a larger dev studio with experience going back a longer time. It's always going to be better optimised etc. As for OP Yeah Samsung works. PS3 limited by bandwidth of SATA I but it's not the bandwidth that makes a difference, it's the access times, and those will always be massively better than mechanical hard drives.
well that sums ina nutshell why i am brutally laggy running around everywhere ina long range assault
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
399
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Posted - 2015.10.21 15:46:00 -
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Unholy HateGore wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:Unholy HateGore wrote:Now I have a question as well. Why does anyone even need to buy anything to up grade their ps3 for one damn game? I played Battlefield 3 on mine which has a hell of a lot more going on in it than dust and never had a problem with the game. Seems Dust is the problem. I'll never upgrade this thing for one game even though this is about the only one I play LOL. I have a ps4 and waiting patiently for Fallout 4. Some people have a PS3 only for playing Dust, therein they want the best possible experience that they can get. The issue of Dust being a problem is and isn't true. Part of it has to do with the amount of content and a regular hard drive isn't really fast enough to pull the data and load that data in comparison to an SSD. The Dust/PS3 issue is two sides of the same coin, depends on how you look at it. You can either say that the PS3 isn't good enough to handle Dust, or that Dust is too complicated for the PS3. Either way, both arguments are correct but your position of Dust being amazing vs PS3 console is old and outdated is where your viewpoint actually lies But back to my statement of Battlefield. Why does it run fine and Dust doesn't? I think Battlefield is more complex even down to the graphics. Not necessarily, if you look at battlefield maps they are a set size, where as Dusts maps go on and on and you can see other maps in the distance.
Then if you look at the amount of dropsuits/weapons/modules/vehicles and all of their variations (that are completely unnecessary) there is more content in Dust BY FAR as opposed to Battlefield. (Which is exactly what I meant when I said above that there is far more CONTENT in Dust)
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Kaze Eyrou
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:35:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Jack Boost wrote:Remeber - PS3 isn't use full SSD potential. Whatever you bought is overkil. um do u know the max speeds the ps3 will utilize? PS3 uses SATA 2 connections. Most SSDs use SATA 3. SATA is backwards compatible though. It's going to be similar to having a USB 3.0 thumb drive connected to a USB 2.0 port if that makes sense.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:37:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:
Why does this matter? Because since the addition of weapon based render ranges models are pulled into memory as they enter that range. Frame rate drops get caused by a combination of slower memory due to high load and by slower read times of the drive itself.
Woah a new theory to work with. Go outside with a long range gun and run forward. Simulated frame-rate drop. Do you know if that's a change that was made at some point, or rendering always worked this way? Might also explain why I never seem to suffer from lag much - fkin scout lol. My optimal range isn't usually past 40m, and if it's anything to do with the current weapon I'm holding, it's usually 2.5 - 10m. Unholy HateGore wrote: But back to my statement of Battlefield. Why does it run fine and Dust doesn't? I think Battlefield is more complex even down to the graphics.
Battlefield is in it's 5th major iteration
Don't forget Star Wars: Battlefield.
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Daemonn Adima
Y.A.M.A.H
425
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:45:00 -
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47.99 Kingston 120gb SSD on newegg on sale only through tonight... Might just order it! Anyone have any experience with Kingston SSDs?
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=20-721-107 |
DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:57:00 -
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Nope but if I remember correctly they're highly rated and recommended but I've never used 1 so I personally won't recommend it..might have to do some research or just buy it and see
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CUSE TOWN333
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.21 17:17:00 -
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You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
399
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Posted - 2015.10.22 13:25:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore Modded controllers don't actually help your gun game, they just increase fire-rate of semi and burst automatic weapons. They don't fix performance issues. Conversely, SSDs fix performance issues such as lag or in some cases frame rate (where applicable to drops from system performance/read issues from old hard drives)
SSDs, believe it or not, will eventually be incorporated into any computing machine that uses one because it is an optimized design in comparison to the magnetic Hard Drives that were developed back in 1956. Will it take a few more years for that to happen? Absolutely, however now you see that some machines come with SSDs already and usually the price of that machine is much higher than one with a simple HDD.
Its the same concept as choosing between a standard graphics card vs a graphics card with a GPU. The GPU is more optimized for performance.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University Ivy League
276
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Posted - 2015.10.22 13:38:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore Modded controllers don't actually help your gun game, they just increase fire-rate of semi and burst automatic weapons. They don't fix performance issues. Conversely, SSDs fix performance issues such as lag or in some cases frame rate (where applicable to drops from system performance/read issues from old hard drives) SSDs, believe it or not, will eventually be incorporated into any computing machine that uses one because it is an optimized design in comparison to the magnetic Hard Drives that were developed back in 1956. Will it take a few more years for that to happen? Absolutely, however now you see that some machines come with SSDs already and usually the price of that machine is much higher than one with a simple HDD. Its the same concept as choosing between a standard graphics card vs a graphics card with a GPU. The GPU is more optimized for performance.
Dude. SSDs have been standard in gaming pc's for a couple of years now. The only 'lag' an SSD fixes on Dust is framerate drops. Also what on earth is a graphics card without a GPU? That's like, the most important part of a graphics card.
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
399
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Posted - 2015.10.22 13:45:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore Modded controllers don't actually help your gun game, they just increase fire-rate of semi and burst automatic weapons. They don't fix performance issues. Conversely, SSDs fix performance issues such as lag or in some cases frame rate (where applicable to drops from system performance/read issues from old hard drives) SSDs, believe it or not, will eventually be incorporated into any computing machine that uses one because it is an optimized design in comparison to the magnetic Hard Drives that were developed back in 1956. Will it take a few more years for that to happen? Absolutely, however now you see that some machines come with SSDs already and usually the price of that machine is much higher than one with a simple HDD. Its the same concept as choosing between a standard graphics card vs a graphics card with a GPU. The GPU is more optimized for performance. Dude. SSDs have been standard in gaming pc's for a couple of years now. The only 'lag' an SSD fixes on Dust is framerate drops. Also what on earth is a graphics card without a GPU? That's like, the most important part of a graphics card. That is my point exactly. Everything in a PS3 is legacy (or moving toward that way)
Though, no SSDs do not come standard in any new machine. HDD is still standard but you have the option to pay a little extra for that SSD.
As far as no GPU vs GPU goes, someone with no knowledge trying to buy or build a PC may or may not realize how important GPUs are.
KEQ and ROFL. Diplomat.
D4GG3R is my mom.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University Ivy League
276
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Posted - 2015.10.22 13:59:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore Modded controllers don't actually help your gun game, they just increase fire-rate of semi and burst automatic weapons. They don't fix performance issues. Conversely, SSDs fix performance issues such as lag or in some cases frame rate (where applicable to drops from system performance/read issues from old hard drives) SSDs, believe it or not, will eventually be incorporated into any computing machine that uses one because it is an optimized design in comparison to the magnetic Hard Drives that were developed back in 1956. Will it take a few more years for that to happen? Absolutely, however now you see that some machines come with SSDs already and usually the price of that machine is much higher than one with a simple HDD. Its the same concept as choosing between a standard graphics card vs a graphics card with a GPU. The GPU is more optimized for performance. Dude. SSDs have been standard in gaming pc's for a couple of years now. The only 'lag' an SSD fixes on Dust is framerate drops. Also what on earth is a graphics card without a GPU? That's like, the most important part of a graphics card. That is my point exactly. Everything in a PS3 is legacy (or moving toward that way) Though, no SSDs do not come standard in any new machine. HDD is still standard but you have the option to pay a little extra for that SSD. As far as no GPU vs GPU goes, someone with no knowledge trying to buy or build a PC may or may not realize how important GPUs are.
What country are you from? If you're buying a gaming pc today that doesn't have an SSD you're getting conned. If it's only an optional extra it's a bit rich to call it a gaming pc in the first place.
I'm guessing you were referring to integrated graphics vs a graphics card? There is literally no such thing as a graphics card without a GPU.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
2
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Posted - 2015.10.28 17:06:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore lessons from cap aq on how to be a scrub will be aired Tuesdays on cuestown333's youtube account for all who are interested
love ya cuse
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Aramis Madrigal
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.28 18:45:00 -
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Shart Machine wrote:Everybody I have talked to recommends Samsung SSD's. Dust has more problems than a SSD can fix though, so unless you play games with longer load times it won't be worth it from what I've researched.
If somebody bought one and isn't arguing in favor only to justify their purchase, I would like to hear how they feel about it.
The most concrete advantage I've noticed is initial spawn times, particularly in PC matches. Other than that, I've noticed very little effect. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:15:00 -
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Aramis Madrigal wrote:Shart Machine wrote:Everybody I have talked to recommends Samsung SSD's. Dust has more problems than a SSD can fix though, so unless you play games with longer load times it won't be worth it from what I've researched.
If somebody bought one and isn't arguing in favor only to justify their purchase, I would like to hear how they feel about it. The most concrete advantage I've noticed is initial spawn times, particularly in PC matches. Other than that, I've noticed very little effect.
Match entry much earlier than non SSD players. This can easily be used to your benefit in almost every match.
Much more stability in the messed up maps. The Gal lag facility runs perfectly smooth for me. The MCC map generally only kicked people that did not have SSDs from what I saw.
Very slightly faster PS3 start up time and game initialization. You really have to look for it on this tho.
Less heat issues with the PS3. SSDs generate FAR less heat than HDDs. I have a theory that this attributes to stability over long grinds as heat is easier moved away from the critical components within the PS3s very tight case.
Minimal benefits but benefits indeed. How much you feel those are worth is up to you but with the drastically reduced price of SSDs compared to back when I bought them for my PS3, Desktop, and Laptop they are very well worth it. |
Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
2
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:33:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Aramis Madrigal wrote:Shart Machine wrote:Everybody I have talked to recommends Samsung SSD's. Dust has more problems than a SSD can fix though, so unless you play games with longer load times it won't be worth it from what I've researched.
If somebody bought one and isn't arguing in favor only to justify their purchase, I would like to hear how they feel about it. The most concrete advantage I've noticed is initial spawn times, particularly in PC matches. Other than that, I've noticed very little effect. Match entry much earlier than non SSD players. This can easily be used to your benefit in almost every match. Much more stability in the messed up maps. The Gal lag facility runs perfectly smooth for me. The MCC map generally only kicked people that did not have SSDs from what I saw. Very slightly faster PS3 start up time and game initialization. You really have to look for it on this tho. Less heat issues with the PS3. SSDs generate FAR less heat than HDDs. I have a theory that this attributes to stability over long grinds as heat is easier moved away from the critical components within the PS3s very tight case. Minimal benefits but benefits indeed. How much you feel those are worth is up to you but with the drastically reduced price of SSDs compared to back when I bought them for my PS3, Desktop, and Laptop they are very well worth it. a lot of small improvements add up to a big one in my opinion
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:41:00 -
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seeing as price of SSD's is pretty high i just bought a 12gb super slim PS3. it was -ú75 pre-owned with a DS3 to replace my 8yr old trashed one. Just use it as a dedicated dust system
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
2
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:43:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:seeing as price of SSD's is pretty high i just bought a 12gb super slim PS3. it was -ú75 pre-owned with a DS3 to replace my 8yr old trashed one. Just use it as a dedicated dust system 30 gb ssd is 30 bucks
and i dont have to buy another ps3
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CUSE TOWN333
Capital Acquisitions LLC
3
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Posted - 2015.10.29 05:59:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore lessons from cap aq on how to be a scrub will be aired Tuesdays on cuestown333's youtube account for all who are interested love ya cuse forget dust. Come play Ps4 with me
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
2
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Posted - 2015.10.30 19:07:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:You should all buy turbo controlers to go along with your SSDs. So you wont be as bad at da pew pew anymore lessons from cap aq on how to be a scrub will be aired Tuesdays on cuestown333's youtube account for all who are interested love ya cuse forget dust. Come play Ps4 with me lol **** that dusty old outdated piece of **** ima pc gamer lol dust ruined consoles for me
the performance of dust on ps3 was so bad that it pushed me away from the console industry i enjoy playing games under development to much to contribute to the fallacy that is the console industry
i am grateful to ccp for converting me their terrible coding has shown me how weak consoles are
i play fps's in 4 k now
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