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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:05:00 -
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All skills being equal which player would win in a 1v1??
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I'll argue that the Rattati would win in a 1v1 fight because you can stack damage mods with 700hp of armor coupled with the ROF bonus that the suit gets.....shields won't stand a chance. Usually, people will put on a balacs or kalante AR with that suit....shields will get smoked. Ohh and when you run out of 80+ bullets in the balacs, you could just switch to your kalante or Krin AR and finish the job.
Thoughts?
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:21:00 -
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Obviously a rats will win in a heads up 1v1 within its range. Balacs is much more powerful for hit and run or long range. Also it's more rare hence the higher price tag. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:29:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Obviously a rats will win in a heads up 1v1 within its range. Balacs is much more powerful for hit and run or long range. Also it's more rare hence the higher price tag.
If rarity was the issue, I would agree. But many are arguing that the balacs is a beast suit and Ratts couldn't touch it.
Price tag went from 2.5-3M to 5M-8M after hotfix. Ratts went from 1M-1.5M lol as if the ROF bonus after the hotfix isn't game changing.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:33:00 -
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If the Balac's user is stupid enough to engage a Rattati's user in CQC 1v1, they'll lose. Because they were stupid. Really stupid.
But if the two players are smart enough to work towards fighting each other in their own optimal conditions without outside interference, it's a toss up. And that's discounting map/socket advantages that frequently favor the AR.
Rats all the way.
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:38:00 -
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The Rattati. Assault rifles will melt through shields. And a kalante melts through armor. Unless the balac can take out the Rattati before its near, the balac is as dead as it is rarely seen.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:42:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:If the Balac's user is stupid enough to engage a Rattati's user in CQC 1v1, they'll lose. Because they were stupid. Really stupid.
But if the two players are smart enough to work towards fighting each other in their own optimal conditions without outside interference, it's a toss up. And that's discounting map/socket advantages that frequently favor the AR.
Rats all the way.
One thing of note....even at range, I don't think the balacs would top the Ratts. Unless, the balacs was out of the optimal range of the AR and still be in optimal range of the RR. Because while the Balacs is popping in and out of cover recharging its shields, the Ratts is in and out of cover as well in a triage nano or two if they fit it (which they could and should since it has two equipment slots as well)
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DogeGode Master
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:59:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I sell my Balac's for 35million because I feel like it lulz
Totally not an alt.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:23:00 -
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DogeGode Master wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I sell my Balac's for 35million because I feel like it lulz
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:32:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:DogeGode Master wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I sell my Balac's for 35million because I feel like it lulz x
i'll sell you 1 for 20m
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:35:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:DogeGode Master wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I sell my Balac's for 35million because I feel like it lulz x i'll sell you 1 for 20m
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Kaltos Darksbane
Shadow Wolves Inc.
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:54:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote: All skills being equal which player would win in a 1v1??
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I'll argue that the Rattati would win in a 1v1 fight because you can stack damage mods with 700hp of armor coupled with the ROF bonus that the suit gets.....shields won't stand a chance. Usually, people will put on a balacs or kalante AR with that suit....shields will get smoked. Ohh and when you run out of 80+ bullets in the balacs, you could just switch to your kalante or Krin AR and finish the job.
Thoughts?
Shield suits will always be 2nd rate as long as damage mods remain high slot only. Its always been this way. They can tweak stats all they want it will never change unless something is done to make damage mods benefit shield suits equally.
And with all this i still have a hard time selling Rats suits.
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Kaltos Darksbane
Shadow Wolves Inc.
859
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:56:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:DogeGode Master wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I sell my Balac's for 35million because I feel like it lulz x i'll sell you 1 for 20m
Ill sell 3 for 35 mil.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:59:00 -
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: All skills being equal which player would win in a 1v1??
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I'll argue that the Rattati would win in a 1v1 fight because you can stack damage mods with 700hp of armor coupled with the ROF bonus that the suit gets.....shields won't stand a chance. Usually, people will put on a balacs or kalante AR with that suit....shields will get smoked. Ohh and when you run out of 80+ bullets in the balacs, you could just switch to your kalante or Krin AR and finish the job.
Thoughts? Shield suits will always be 2nd rate as long as damage mods remain high slot only. Its always been this way. They can tweak stats all they want it will never change unless something is done to make damage mods benefit shield suits equally. And with all this i still have a hard time selling Rats suits.
Someone gets it!
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Kaltos Darksbane
Shadow Wolves Inc.
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Posted - 2015.10.17 23:05:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: All skills being equal which player would win in a 1v1??
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I'll argue that the Rattati would win in a 1v1 fight because you can stack damage mods with 700hp of armor coupled with the ROF bonus that the suit gets.....shields won't stand a chance. Usually, people will put on a balacs or kalante AR with that suit....shields will get smoked. Ohh and when you run out of 80+ bullets in the balacs, you could just switch to your kalante or Krin AR and finish the job.
Thoughts? Shield suits will always be 2nd rate as long as damage mods remain high slot only. Its always been this way. They can tweak stats all they want it will never change unless something is done to make damage mods benefit shield suits equally. And with all this i still have a hard time selling Rats suits. Someone gets it!
My personal opinion is there should be mod slots on the weapons themselves not on the suits. Take the weapon upgrade skills off the tree and put them into the specific weapons skill trees. But still have to buy with isk the mods themselves to put on the weapons.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.17 23:42:00 -
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Clearly the Rats a double or triple damage modded fit with a kalante's/Balac's easily beats anything less 40m and is still a big threat at 50m. For any close range encounter you can pull out a Bons which has incredible range on gal suits due to the hip fire bonus. The bons allows you to kill heavies with ease as well as scouts and any assault within 15m. The combination is rather deadly and the Balac's ck.0 simply doesn't have those advantages making it less effective and it's regenerative nature makes inferior in a straight up 1vs1. |
Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:03:00 -
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Just so you can know, I have 3 complex damage mods on my rat and a kalante and balac. With the math done, I can get about 48 damage to shields PER ROUND at 1k+ rof.
Imagine that in your head right now.
Take a rail rifle and give it assault combat rifle rof/stability.
Yeah. Nothing can withstand that. And it's lik 38ish on armor.
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Radiant Pancake3
KILL-EM-QUICK
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:16:00 -
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Balac with Ghalag RR and Ghlag BP... The rat won't touch me...
EDIT: I actually saw a rat with an aggy today... So... maybe without an AR... then maybe it might touch me just a weeee bit.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:45:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Balac with Ghalag RR and Ghlag BP... The rat won't touch me...
EDIT: I actually saw a rat with an aggy today... So... maybe without an AR... then maybe it might touch me just a weeee bit.
Really? Cause I just get the feeling you're trying to play devil's advocate
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:48:00 -
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: All skills being equal which player would win in a 1v1??
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I'll argue that the Rattati would win in a 1v1 fight because you can stack damage mods with 700hp of armor coupled with the ROF bonus that the suit gets.....shields won't stand a chance. Usually, people will put on a balacs or kalante AR with that suit....shields will get smoked. Ohh and when you run out of 80+ bullets in the balacs, you could just switch to your kalante or Krin AR and finish the job.
Thoughts? Shield suits will always be 2nd rate as long as damage mods remain high slot only. Its always been this way. They can tweak stats all they want it will never change unless something is done to make damage mods benefit shield suits equally. And with all this i still have a hard time selling Rats suits. Someone gets it! My personal opinion is there should be mod slots on the weapons themselves not on the suits. Take the weapon upgrade skills off the tree and put them into the specific weapons skill trees. But still have to buy with isk the mods themselves to put on the weapons.
Man...that makes the most sense. My suggestion for allowing the damage mods to be in both high and low slots isn't as good as that. The mods slots should be on the weapons...that way no suit would have more dps advantage over another.
Not sure if CCP is willing to implement gun customization now...especially since beta vets have been asking for rifle sights for the longest time.
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:33:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Balac with Ghalag RR and Ghlag BP... The rat won't touch me...
EDIT: I actually saw a rat with an aggy today... So... maybe without an AR... then maybe it might touch me just a weeee bit.
Thu F??? Of course I'll touch you. *slaps your logibro face*
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Radiant Pancake3
KILL-EM-QUICK
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:34:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Balac with Ghalag RR and Ghlag BP... The rat won't touch me...
EDIT: I actually saw a rat with an aggy today... So... maybe without an AR... then maybe it might touch me just a weeee bit. Thu F??? Of course I'll touch you. *slaps your logibro face*
Oh hell naw... *Shoves rep to up Rat A$$*
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:38:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Balac with Ghalag RR and Ghlag BP... The rat won't touch me...
EDIT: I actually saw a rat with an aggy today... So... maybe without an AR... then maybe it might touch me just a weeee bit. Thu F??? Of course I'll touch you. *slaps your logibro face* Oh hell naw... *Shoves rep to up Rat A$$*
Bish, hold this m8 for me. *runs cuz rattatis are fast*
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Kaltos Darksbane
Shadow Wolves Inc.
859
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Posted - 2015.10.18 02:11:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: All skills being equal which player would win in a 1v1??
Everytime people try to sell balacs for 8M and a ratts for 1M...they justify it by saying that the balacs is OP because it doesn't have any shield regen. And that is just lulz to me because, first of all, it doesn't have any shield "depleted" regen. Which means that your primary tank would have to be gone for you to see that effect.
I'll argue that the Rattati would win in a 1v1 fight because you can stack damage mods with 700hp of armor coupled with the ROF bonus that the suit gets.....shields won't stand a chance. Usually, people will put on a balacs or kalante AR with that suit....shields will get smoked. Ohh and when you run out of 80+ bullets in the balacs, you could just switch to your kalante or Krin AR and finish the job.
Thoughts? Shield suits will always be 2nd rate as long as damage mods remain high slot only. Its always been this way. They can tweak stats all they want it will never change unless something is done to make damage mods benefit shield suits equally. And with all this i still have a hard time selling Rats suits. Someone gets it! My personal opinion is there should be mod slots on the weapons themselves not on the suits. Take the weapon upgrade skills off the tree and put them into the specific weapons skill trees. But still have to buy with isk the mods themselves to put on the weapons. Man...that makes the most sense. My suggestion for allowing the damage mods to be in both high and low slots isn't as good as that. The mods slots should be on the weapons...that way no suit would have more dps advantage over another. Not sure if CCP is willing to implement gun customization now...especially since beta vets have been asking for rifle sights for the longest time.
I cant take credit for the idea. I read it in the forums here a while back and thoroughly agreed with it. Dont remember who or where but its just a great idea. Puts damage mods completely out of the picture. Now some debate may come about as to what useful modules would armor tanks use in thier highs but that is a separate issue altogether.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:09:00 -
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:
I cant take credit for the idea. I read it in the forums here a while back and thoroughly agreed with it. Dont remember who or where but its just a great idea. Puts damage mods completely out of the picture. Now some debate may come about as to what useful modules would armor tanks use in thier highs but that is a separate issue altogether.
They can stack shields, recharge, precision.
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Kaltos Darksbane
Shadow Wolves Inc.
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:22:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:
I cant take credit for the idea. I read it in the forums here a while back and thoroughly agreed with it. Dont remember who or where but its just a great idea. Puts damage mods completely out of the picture. Now some debate may come about as to what useful modules would armor tanks use in thier highs but that is a separate issue altogether.
They can stack shields, recharge, precision.
Personally id stack kin cats with the heaviest armor to negate the speed reduction, but thats just me.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:48:00 -
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Dat recharge delay on balacs doe.
Less than half a second W/ 130+ sHP/s? (3 comp regs)
And the game says 0 second depleted delay, but i haven't tested that out.
But honestly, with that level of recovery.. I don't know what to expect.
I usually just stick to basics, so... I'm definitely not the guy for this :$ :)
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