having a rep tool that does this is a bit pointless when you can already achieve under a second of down time

delays do not equal to reps, even if they were implemented sentinels still would only rep at 30 per second with stacked shields and would get annihilated due to not being able to rep trough damge like armor does not to mention that armor suits have higher base and higher potential ehp in most cases

a cal sent with stacked rechargers would still need to take cover for a few seconds to rep back up to full while an armor suit is able to rep while taking damge

even at 0 delay reps would not initiate due to them taking damge and the fact that its reps per second not incremental, so taking any more damge then that of the threshold makes them have to wait for regen

now an alternative could be a tool that increases thresholds so that only high damge weapons could stop the regen but that still has its complications and is not very practical it also makes it abusive able in some cases depending on how its implemented

I just dont see much potential in other concepts and I dont want to simply copy the armor repper over to shileds

this is just a concept tho and its all my own opinion I think it would work well and would be a unique play style that is inspired by EvE

Of all the shield rep tool ideas this is probably the most unique. Which is good.

Can't be abused by the logi because while the shields ignore the normal recharge delay while repping, damage will activate it. Nice.

I did notice in your variants that there's no version that takes more shield than it reps for total. I think you should take a couple of your less efficient ones and move them over to that. That way if you want sustained reps it's going to be for a smallish amount, but if you want big bursts of reps it's going to cost you most of your shield.

Only a Caldari can get the delay that low, and usually only for depleted delay. This, at proto level, would allow shield to regent as armor does, but at its naturally higher rate. And as it is not physically fixing anything, just overriding the safety of the targets shield generators, it could have a longer range. Also means people with a logo around could pop out a suit without regulators, using biotic, armor, or any other low module. And for some suits a basic models 50% can be more than 3 seconds difference, especially if they used an extender.

I actually think that shield rep tools should apply some resistance while applied instead of increasing shields.

I'm sure the % resistance could be figured up by taking average DPS versus the rep rate of armor tools and find some base number that balances out.

The only problem there is I do not know how "triage" points would be applied in that scenario.

I have some qualms about the repair tool consuming the HP of a suit which is for the most part, not very rich in HP. If the Logi is basically half dead while repping, it's going to be that much easier to kill, thus making it a useless Logi. Additionally since the Armor Repair Tool does not have this limitation, I doubt you'll see much change in the meta, as the armor reps will remain superior in nearly every way.

I'm positive triage is aHP over time (weaker tools take longer to get triage points after all) so it'll simply be shield damage resisted over time is directly proportional to aHP repaired over time.

sHP resist * armor repair time Gê¥ aHP repaired * sHP resistance time

Have you considered perhaps something that is a AoE burst that forcefully starts allied shield recharge over a wide area? Allowing allies to spend less time in cover and more time regening their own HP?

Feels like a farm fest waiting to happen but they have already solved that on armor so I like it a lot.

Armor:
Increases aHP/s

Shield:
Increases sHP (resistance), reduces delay.

Now a bad example is 463 sHP @ 101 sHP/s (my FW C/1 assault) 2 second delay, 3 second depleted delay (for the sake of simplicity, round numbers)

463 sHP @ 101 sHP/s (4.58 seconds)

*Get tethered, 40% increase to sHP [though resistance] 50% reduction regulator*

648.2 sHP @ 141.4 sHP/s (4.58 second recharge) (1.5 second delay)

Now on a max sHP calAss

707 sHP

989.8 sHP after a 40% increase to e-sHP

Now... I'm just taking some numbers out of nowhere (the resistance and regulation percentages) but you see what I mean?

Same time... Flux completely screwing over anything shield based is just something we'll have to continue dealing with it; already happens.


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Ive tried to get something similar going but it got ignored by the devs cause for some silly reason they made up.

Quick reply (getting ready for school, I'll give a more coherent response if i have free time today)
While yes, things would be still in armor's favor, shields are too different to bring it to the same level as armor.

A 90% resistance is like a 90% increase to recharge rate. The recharge time to full sHP wouldn't be changed.

Okay.
Call it a removal of recharge delay, resistance, small increase to recharge rate (e.g 35%)

But.. What exactly is your idea? (asking for *possible* numbers play.)

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I do read, i do understand (you are for the active recharger) . Don't worry. My replies are the bad thing though ;D


By number play I'm asking for an example Like how I kinda gave one.

Remove scanner for a 360 scan with arm animation. Same timing for coming out of cloak to balance. Lower scan duration to further balance.

Use scanner everything to give it graphics. It has one job.... Bring recharge delay to 0. Ranges and angles go higher and lower based on type.
Ie focused no range big angle
flux big range no angle

Cal logi gets big bonus + nano. Min logi gets lower bonus plus big bandwidth. Gal logi gets scan plus vanilla reps. Amarr gets big vanilla reps plus Uplink.

x rep tool user
Y person being repped



logi and or shield rep tool user gives x amount of their own shields to user Y

demonstration
cal logi 300 shields 70 shield regen reps cal sent with stacked shield extenders for a total of 900 shields and base shield regen

cal logi (x) reps cal heavy (y) for 75 reps/s

Y is taking exactly 75 damge per second
X is repping Y for the same amount of 75

x slowly depletes his/her own shields by a rate of 5 per second due to the imbalance of the shields being transferred and their rep rate, eventually dropping to 0 and not being able to rep the sentinel due to lacking the base amount of reps and the depletion of their own shields which leaves them to wait for their depleted delay to kick in

second example
same scenario
x takes damge making their shield recharge delay kick in, due to this the x loses all its shields due to not being able to regen the amount being transferred

third example
same scenario as the first with one slight modification
x replaces a recharge for an energizer giving it slightly more reps then the amount being transferred, x achieves a good balance and is able to replenish its own shields while transferring over to Y

Y's view, Y take damge making its delays kick in and not being able to replenish its own shields, X reps Y and Y receives the shields being transferred, Y's delays cycle trough and its shields start to self replenish giving it its base recharge plus the shields being transferred allowing it to get back into battle quickly

rep tool values (basic variant) range 15m
mlt 60 reps/s
std 60 reps/s
adv 75 reps/s
proto 90 reps/s


variants

flux extends range to double as well as doubles targets healed but reps for half as much as it takes away i.e. shield cost 60 to rep two targets for 30
focused half's the range but doubles output i.e. shield cost 60 to rep 120
gauged reduces shield cost in half i.e. costs 30 to rep for 60
quantum doubles targets healed but at 75% output efficiency i.e. cost 60 reps two targets at 45


this is just a rough concept of the top of my head, I thought it'd be a fun idea to mess with and I cant really find any reasonable way to exploit such a system wherein the logi has to dedicate some slots to recharge just to be effective at repping, while the cal logi would benefit the most form using it while it could still be used by other suits but perhaps not as effectively other then perhaps on other caldari suits or dedicated shield recharge min suits

and there's already plenty of ways to counter this the simplest a flux nade that depletes both the logi and the heavy if they stand to close to each other while choosing longer range rep tools causes the reps to be less potent

I didn't want to per say copy the armor rep tool so this is more of a concept for a shield transfer tool which literally takes shields form the host to give to the recipient

the way I imagine this working best is for a logi preferably a cal logi to stack a few recharges or energizers to overcome the cost while still applying shield regulators rather then armor extenders to make sure they can continue repping quickly if they happen to take damge

Logic loophole detected.

Can't assaults get higher shield levels than logis? (Yes)

Then doesn't that mean assaults would always be better with this logistics intended equipment? (Yes)

SHIELD BOOSTER

Basic: -30% delays, +30% recharge
Advanced: -40% delays, +40% recharge
Proto: -50% delays, +50% recharge
Proto Flux: -50% delays, +50% recharge, flux range, higher fittings cost
Proto Triage: -60% delays, +60% recharge, vehicle nerf