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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:12:00 -
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And it came from an unexpected source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/
This is the relevant portion (The left side is the current specs, while the right side is the new specs):
Quote:
DUST514 Proxy Node
4 x IBM HS22 - Intel X5687 @ 3.60GHz with 24GB RAM (1333MHz) ---> Will run on Eve proxies
EVE Proxy Node
5 x IBM HS23 - Intel E5-2643 0 @ 3.30GHz with 64GB RAM (1600MHz) ---> 6x IBM x240 - Intel E5-2667 v3 CPU @ 3.2GHz with 128GB (2133MHz)
That means that the currently planned Tranquility upgrade will change how we connect to Tranquility, and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency.
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A link from past to future
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
The T.H.I.R.D Empire
552
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:19:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:And it came from an unexpected source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/This is the relevant portion (The left side is the current specs, while the right side is the new specs): Quote:
DUST514 Proxy Node
4 x IBM HS22 - Intel X5687 @ 3.60GHz with 24GB RAM (1333MHz) ---> Will run on Eve proxies
EVE Proxy Node
5 x IBM HS23 - Intel E5-2643 0 @ 3.30GHz with 64GB RAM (1600MHz) ---> 6x IBM x240 - Intel E5-2667 v3 CPU @ 3.2GHz with 128GB (2133MHz)
That means that the currently planned Tranquility upgrade will change how we connect to Tranquility, and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency.
does this mean a one server for all timezones sort of thing?
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:20:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:And it came from an unexpected source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/This is the relevant portion (The left side is the current specs, while the right side is the new specs): Quote:
DUST514 Proxy Node
4 x IBM HS22 - Intel X5687 @ 3.60GHz with 24GB RAM (1333MHz) ---> Will run on Eve proxies
EVE Proxy Node
5 x IBM HS23 - Intel E5-2643 0 @ 3.30GHz with 64GB RAM (1600MHz) ---> 6x IBM x240 - Intel E5-2667 v3 CPU @ 3.2GHz with 128GB (2133MHz)
That means that the currently planned Tranquility upgrade will change how we connect to Tranquility, and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency. does this mean a one server for all timezones sort of thing?
It seems like it might.
As Cat Merc pointed out to us in Skype the other day, the actual distance from Israel to TQ is about 78ms. The rest of the latency comes from getting lost in hops through Europe until you finally get to TQ.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:21:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:... and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency.
Neat! But how is this implied? All I see are a handful of hardware specs.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:30:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:... and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency. Neat! But how is this implied? All I see are a handful of hardware specs.
That's based on what they discuss in the later parts of that post. They're replacing their old routers with new ones that automatically switch connection paths without interruption to ensure the fastest, most direct path to the server for all connected clients.
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A link from past to future
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Union118
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
766
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:42:00 -
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I predict server overload. Isnt the system gunna crash or slow down due to funnel.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:53:00 -
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Union118 wrote:I predict server overload. Isnt the system gunna crash or slow down due to funnel.
I really doubt that TQ can be taken down by too many player actions being computer at once with how beefy it already is right now, and how much beefier they're about to make it.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:56:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:... and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency. Neat! But how is this implied? All I see are a handful of hardware specs. That's based on what they discuss in the later parts of that post. They're replacing their old routers with new ones that automatically switch connection paths without interruption to ensure the fastest, most direct path to the server for all connected clients.
\o/
Early 2016 = No imminent plug pulling :-)
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 03:58:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:... and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency. Neat! But how is this implied? All I see are a handful of hardware specs. That's based on what they discuss in the later parts of that post. They're replacing their old routers with new ones that automatically switch connection paths without interruption to ensure the fastest, most direct path to the server for all connected clients. \o/ Early 2016 = No imminent plug pulling :-)
Yep! That should at least get people to chill out on that front. There's no way they'd bother mentioning Dust 514 as part of their hardware upgrade unless they were planning to keep it around for a while.
Let's just hope that's aimed at improving performance for the next platform. Reducing lag on the PS3 would be nice but hardly something to dance in the streets about.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
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benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
857
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Posted - 2015.10.15 04:01:00 -
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Good catch mob. I missed that when I skimmed that article earlier. This ain't gonna happen overnight mind you but it shows we are going to get some attention.
Tl;Dr likefarm the OP people!
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 04:08:00 -
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benandjerrys wrote:Good catch mob. I missed that when I skimmed that article earlier. This ain't gonna happen overnight mind you but it shows we are going to get some attention.
Tl;Dr likefarm the OP people!
I was pretty psyched to see it when I was going through the specs. Even if they haven't announced a port by then, getting on that new hardware should help to reduce lag and make the game more playable.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
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benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
857
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Posted - 2015.10.15 04:10:00 -
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Yea I saw the specs and was like bye bye time dialation! (Big space battle lag on purpose) that puts the servers I worked on to shame and I have worked on high end government stuff.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.15 04:22:00 -
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benandjerrys wrote:Yea I saw the specs and was like bye bye time dialation! (Big space battle lag on purpose) that puts the servers I worked on to shame and I have worked on high end government stuff.
Translation?
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.10.15 07:34:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:benandjerrys wrote:Yea I saw the specs and was like bye bye time dialation! (Big space battle lag on purpose) that puts the servers I worked on to shame and I have worked on high end government stuff. Translation?
Time dialation in EVE is when the game slows down so that the server can keep up with all the calculations.
Happens in gigantic fleet battles.
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> Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault:
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.10.15 08:00:00 -
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I read this too, saw that using the new hardware for DUST's TQ proxy means as others have said, no imminent plug-pull, but what I did not see was any mention of battle servers.
I'm of the understanding that DUST client uses TQ for inventory and transactions (market purchases, merc assets, fittings?, AUR tracking, I dunno, whatever) but battles have nothing to do with TQ. Hence battleservers. Without seeing a mention of these, not sure we're gonna see improvements unless the bottleneck is partly related to inventory etc.
Cynical perhaps...but I'd hoped to see mention of battle servers when I read that article.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
94
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Posted - 2015.10.15 08:13:00 -
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Sorry to be a negative nancy here, but all I see is brand new piece of hardware for each and every existing piece of hardware except for the one thing that does Dust stuff. I'm sure that the new shared proxy node is more powerful than the two old individual ones combined, but if they did decide to pull the plug they no longer have the headache of re-purposing the Dust hardware to do something Eve related.
Something is killing new player retention.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 08:20:00 -
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This has zero affect on the outlook of Dust.
Tranquility is being upgraded and unless they want to pull the plug we have to be able to connect.
This also has no effect on the Dust battle servers as those are separate from TQ. TQ handles our logins, the market, corporations, matchmaking, and a few other things.
One possible positive out come is that we should see a few less of those pesky spinning circle screens that we all love so much.
I feel like the dedication of the number of servers that they have allocated points to a planned expansion as that seems to be very much overkill for our current average number of people online at one time. This is purely speculative. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
961
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Posted - 2015.10.15 09:05:00 -
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Not quite :)
1. Nodes will be integrated/merged -> we can use any node -> we can be at any far corner of Eve universe.
2. If so we can PC any corner of it...
3. If so :D this means that 2000 players of DUST will walk loney on planet/district... (maybe ship :) and if this is not ponitles... we will have new blood -> PC client (aka old Legion R.I.P.) or less PS4
Not much time left...
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 09:18:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Union118 wrote:I predict server overload. Isnt the system gunna crash or slow down due to funnel. I really doubt that TQ can be taken down by too many player actions being computer at once with how beefy it already is right now, and how much beefier they're about to make it.
This much is very true. TQ is a serious piece of kit as it is, perfectly capable of 100k+ players from what I understand from the Devs and technically classed as a Supercomputer in its own right.
And while it is true that Dust runs on separate battle servers, the pulling of info about your Merc's, assets, skill trees etc are pulled from TQ. Also, the chat system uses it, meaning that Eve and Dust players can communicate in real time.
So any upgrading of this systems is good news.
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 09:40:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Union118 wrote:I predict server overload. Isnt the system gunna crash or slow down due to funnel. I really doubt that TQ can be taken down by too many player actions being computer at once with how beefy it already is right now, and how much beefier they're about to make it. This much is very true. TQ is a serious piece of kit as it is, perfectly capable of 100k+ players from what I understand from the Devs and technically classed as a Supercomputer in its own right. And while it is true that Dust runs on separate battle servers, the pulling of info about your Merc's, assets, skill trees etc are pulled from TQ. Also, the chat system uses it, meaning that Eve and Dust players can communicate in real time. So any upgrading of this systems is good news.
Fun fact:
In the past, CCP needed approval from the US Government to order certain server hardware upgrades because nobody believed that a game company in Iceland was ordering insane supercomputer level **** like a RamSan 500 for a multiplayer game server |
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 09:48:00 -
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So you can imagine the fun with sending that same gear to the Serenity server for Eve China.
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CEO of DUST University
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 10:01:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:So you can imagine the fun with sending that same gear to the Serenity server for Eve China.
"For the last time, it's for internet spaceships, not nuclear weapon simulations! Well, yes I suppose nuclear weapons are present in the game in a certain... hello? Are you still there?" |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 10:09:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:So you can imagine the fun with sending that same gear to the Serenity server for Eve China. "For the last time, it's for internet spaceships, not nuclear weapon simulations! Well, yes I suppose nuclear weapons are present in the game in a certain... hello? Are you still there?"
'Who's that knocking at the door with a sledgehammer?'
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
966
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Posted - 2015.10.15 10:09:00 -
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At this time Chinese gamers develop own PS3-compatibile hardware and Chinese goverment give twice much more RAMSAN 500 but with own software to spy rest of world :D
GJ CCP
Not much time left...
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 10:19:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:So you can imagine the fun with sending that same gear to the Serenity server for Eve China. "For the last time, it's for internet spaceships, not nuclear weapon simulations! Well, yes I suppose nuclear weapons are present in the game in a certain... hello? Are you still there?" CCP employee #3865 filling out export forms ... section C.5.A: intended purpose ... "warfare simulation" ... "encrypted communication" ... "large scale conflict logistics" ... "claim ownership of space" ... "global realtime communication network" ... |
Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
18
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Posted - 2015.10.15 10:56:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:And it came from an unexpected source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/This is the relevant portion (The left side is the current specs, while the right side is the new specs): Quote:
DUST514 Proxy Node
4 x IBM HS22 - Intel X5687 @ 3.60GHz with 24GB RAM (1333MHz) ---> Will run on Eve proxies
EVE Proxy Node
5 x IBM HS23 - Intel E5-2643 0 @ 3.30GHz with 64GB RAM (1600MHz) ---> 6x IBM x240 - Intel E5-2667 v3 CPU @ 3.2GHz with 128GB (2133MHz)
That means that the currently planned Tranquility upgrade will change how we connect to Tranquility, and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency. does this mean a one server for all timezones sort of thing? It seems like it might. As Cat Merc pointed out to us in Skype the other day, the actual distance from Israel to TQ is about 78ms. The rest of the latency comes from getting lost in hops through Europe until you finally get to TQ.
Actually that would be from Israel to the closest coast in the US.
Ping to TQ would be around 30ms.
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> Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault:
> DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 11:31:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:And it came from an unexpected source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/This is the relevant portion (The left side is the current specs, while the right side is the new specs): Quote:
DUST514 Proxy Node
4 x IBM HS22 - Intel X5687 @ 3.60GHz with 24GB RAM (1333MHz) ---> Will run on Eve proxies
EVE Proxy Node
5 x IBM HS23 - Intel E5-2643 0 @ 3.30GHz with 64GB RAM (1600MHz) ---> 6x IBM x240 - Intel E5-2667 v3 CPU @ 3.2GHz with 128GB (2133MHz)
That means that the currently planned Tranquility upgrade will change how we connect to Tranquility, and this implies they might even be doing away with the Battle Server system entirely in favor of their new tech that automatically routes traffic through the most direct route possible to reduce latency. does this mean a one server for all timezones sort of thing? It seems like it might. As Cat Merc pointed out to us in Skype the other day, the actual distance from Israel to TQ is about 78ms. The rest of the latency comes from getting lost in hops through Europe until you finally get to TQ. Actually that would be from Israel to the closest coast in the US. Ping to TQ would be around 30ms.
Ah, got that mixed up. Thanks for fixing that for me.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.10.15 12:23:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
I feel like the dedication of the number of servers that they have allocated points to a planned expansion as that seems to be very much overkill for our current average number of people online at one time. This is purely speculative.
CCP Gun Show wrote:
For the current way that EVE runs this is an overkill but having this in place allows for our engineers to test out interesting new ways to scale TQ and architecture performance, that will take time of course but the immediate benefit is that our deployment times will speed up a lot!
Also this will drastically improve our virtual server environment for example when we live migrate Virtual Machines across physical hosts.
[...]
You can see a lot of redundancy in the internal components, which is planned so we can maintain TQ by swapping a whole chassis out of rotation while EVE players continue to battle, trade, chat, manufacture, explore, and scam on the other 5.
Doesn't rule expansion out though!
It's also interesting to see that "Old TQ" is going to Iceland where they will host all the test servers. Now *that* makes me think there may be new things to test, which may imply expansions. But nowhere in any of this is Valkyrie mentioned. I assume that is gonna need a server or two...that could be an expansion that uses this hardware right there.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.15 12:43:00 -
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Exciting times.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 12:50:00 -
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I've tried getting the old TQ to become my own Corp mail server so I'm not impacting on the Eve one anymore.
Oddly they claimed that having a supercomputer to deal with one players email was overkill....
I know, fekking outrageous.
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CEO of DUST University
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