DUST Search - Mass Driver vs Vehicle efficiency

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

IR Scifi wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Vyuru wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships.

Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships.

That's kind of disappointing, I was hoping that my breach could become my all purpose go to av so I could finally ditch the swarms.

Yeah in combat situations you will be hitting the side of the lav or dropship 95% of the time and only get the 40% efficiency. I hope this is not intended. A well fit lav or dropship will be near impossible to take out with a mass driver, unless they're just sitting there letting you shoot them.

Consider this for a moment: Assuming a max level Minmatar Commando with stacked damage mods, you're looking at about 594 damage per shot from a Breach Mass Driver. Even at half damage, which is what you'd get against an LAV, you're doing about 300 damage. You have six shots in the cylinder, for a total of 1,783 damage.

Apply the armor damage bonus (20%) and it comes out to 2,140 damage. Assuming a 'Quafe' Methana with no modules attached has 1,200 armor.... You should theoretically be able to kill it within 4 shots. Not counting if you hit the engine block which would do double that damage, meaning you'd only need 2 well placed rounds.

This is all paper math, results in game may differ.

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Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 16:48:00 - [1] - Quote Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando.
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.10.09 16:52:00 - [2] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando. Interesting. Can you take a screenshot and post it here? Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:04:00 - [3] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/jbakno9.jpg It appears to be working against HAVs though. Double checking.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 974	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:09:00 - [4] - Quote I got 41% against the shield of a maddy yesterday. Will try and get a pic on my phone of it if possible. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:11:00 - [5] - Quote For HAVs everything works except it shows 41% efficiency vs the turrets. I believe it should be 83% like the rest of the HAV. The fuel cell shows 120% like it should. Dropships show 41% all over.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:16:00 - [6] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: For HAVs everything works except it shows 41% efficiency vs the turrets. I believe it should be 83% like the rest of the HAV. The fuel cell shows 120% like it should. Dropships show 41% all over. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:17:00 - [7] - Quote I think it may have ended up only going towards HAVs. To be honest though, really the only Mass Driver that should be able to do full damage is the breach mass driver and trickle down from there, not all explosive weapons. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:30:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: To be honest though, really the only Mass Driver that should be able to do full damage is the breach mass driver and trickle down from there, not all explosive weapons. Why? Mass drivers have low DPS and are by far the most difficult 'AV' weapon to use. There's no reason that explosive weapons shouldn't do full damage.
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:46:00 - [9] - Quote Rattati said that it was only against tanks Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Playstation move player
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Rattati said that it was only against tanks So it's sort of an AV weapon? That's just terrible if it's true. Let's make the game make less sense. \o/

Booby Tuesdays Bad Mother Thukkers 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 18:04:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I think it may have ended up only going towards HAVs. To be honest though, really the only Mass Driver that should be able to do full damage is the breach mass driver and trickle down from there, not all explosive weapons. So I can fist or knife a vehicle to death, but my grenade launcher should do fuckall to them? Seems legit. Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
Cronar Stenovich TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 3	Posted - 2015.10.09 18:22:00 - [12] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando. No time to take a picture but my MinMando mk.0 with a Core Breach and two complex damage mods vs C-1 Tank, no hardener on, shot to the fuel cell... 200-300ish damage, the Core Breach has 460 base before my skills. Run away! Swarms back? Lol
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 473	Posted - 2015.10.09 18:53:00 - [13] - Quote Cronar Stenovich wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando. No time to take a picture but my MinMando mk.0 with a Core Breach and two complex damage mods vs C-1 Tank, no hardener on, shot to the fuel cell... 200-300ish damage, the Core Breach has 460 base before my skills. Run away! Swarms back? Lol I'm sure the devs will be on it. For now my Wirikomi swarms stay on my minmando.
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 3	Posted - 2015.10.09 19:42:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando. Interesting. Can you take a screenshot and post it here? Aeon would you consider also taking a look at small blasters vs LAVs efficiency ? Skirmishers Unite ! Help me revive our beloved gamemode. Chat: Skirmish Queue
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 664	Posted - 2015.10.09 21:53:00 - [15] - Quote Depending on the population's behavior on the battlefield (something that it is always entertaining to watch console players doing, but frustratingly impossible to predict console players following)... HAV encounters may become glorious to behold. Previous to this year's speedy-tank experiment in the game, HAV combat in Dust used to often include one or two HAVs travelling with infantry in something you could call MUTUAL close escort. Our HAV would push a path right up to the Null panel for us infantry, while enemy couldn't get near enough to dent the HAV's skin because blue infantry were surrounding the vehicle like moths---it was a technique that was glorious. The speedy-tank disease made HAV players happy to leave fellow infantry in the dust (becasue they seldom liked blue players climbing all over their vehicle and shooting at the red MCC with the small turrets),.. and HAV players started enjoying their own wars on the maps with nearly complete disregard of us foot-players---"screw those pedestrians; I'll get 100 wp for escorting those wooden-shoe mercs for 20 minutes---I can get 250 wp in 2 minutes of hunting down a single Magruder!" The "hardeners" re-configuration only helped HAV players become more independent and persistent... come and go as they please, even without any blue infantry escort at all. Now... as the HAV player turns the next corner (with no blue infantry supporting her), THE RED PLAYERS WILL THROW DOWN THEIR SWARM LAUNCHERS, RUN RIGHT UP, AND do POINT-BLANK ASSAULT-N-BATTERY for warpoints, hitting the hull with nova knives, mass-driver handgrips, getting behind the vehicle and kicking it with dropsuit boots, stabbing it in the behind with broken Quafe bottles- ----AND THE TV SCREEN WILL LIGHT UP WITH 'Madrugar Damage +75", "Small Turret Paint Loss +75' 'Taillight Crack +75"!!! The poor driver will only see her first her shield ehp boop-disappear, then the armour-hp drops so fast she can't pedal fast enough to get herself outta there.. ....there'll still be red mercs clinging to the top small turret, and being dragged behind the HAV as she tries to bore through and shake them off. O - M - G!! It might be worse than those windshield washer vagrants that used to attack your car at every stop light. " Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Radiant Pancake3 1	Posted - 2015.10.09 22:02:00 - [16] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando. Interesting. Can you take a screenshot and post it here? Aeon would you consider also taking a look at small blasters vs LAVs efficiency ? o.O Learned the ways of N4g from Alcina's mom Deemed the most Kinkiest Corp Mate. Min Loyalist.
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.10.09 22:10:00 - [17] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Is it working? I'm pointing it at an LAV right now and it says 41%. Thought it was supposed to be a potent AV weapon in the hands of a minmatar commando. Interesting. Can you take a screenshot and post it here? Aeon would you consider also taking a look at small blasters vs LAVs efficiency ? Yeah, that's pretty peculiar. I'll get ahold of Kirk (he's more of the LAV/small turret expert) and we'll check it out. Looks like there are weak points on the LAV that are screwy. Can do that in about two hours or so. Send an e-mail to '[email protected]' and remind me. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 01:40:00 - [18] - Quote Kay, checked this out in game. For light, non-AV weapons, and small turrets, the LAV's engine block is a hidden weak point - like the fuel cells on an HAV. If you aim where the engine is, roughly, with non-AV weapons you'll do more damage. Flaylock Pistol and Breach Mass Driver, for instance, do full damage as opposed to other parts of the vehicle where they only do half. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 286	Posted - 2015.10.10 01:59:00 - [19] - Quote Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships.
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 02:30:00 - [20] - Quote Vyuru wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships. Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav

IR Scifi OSG Planetary Operations 215	Posted - 2015.10.10 06:28:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vyuru wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships. Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships. That's kind of disappointing, I was hoping that my breach could become my all purpose go to av so I could finally ditch the swarms.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 856	Posted - 2015.10.10 08:44:00 - [22] - Quote IR Scifi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vyuru wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships. Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships. That's kind of disappointing, I was hoping that my breach could become my all purpose go to av so I could finally ditch the swarms. According to the notes, Mass Drivers should be doing full damage to HAVs armour. Purifier. First Class.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 792	Posted - 2015.10.10 11:46:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I think it may have ended up only going towards HAVs. To be honest though, really the only Mass Driver that should be able to do full damage is the breach mass driver and trickle down from there, not all explosive weapons. Flaylox too please... or at least the breach flay if we can get proto and adv variants please... one day... one day. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
ROMULUS H3X research lab 792	Posted - 2015.10.10 11:53:00 - [24] - Quote So basically take out the shields, THEN use armor weapons to get the full damage kick received in the hotfix. PLASMA OR FLUX SHIELDS, THEN HIT WITH BREACH (MASSDRIVER/ FLAYLOX ) FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.10 13:49:00 - [25] - Quote IR Scifi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vyuru wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships. Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships. That's kind of disappointing, I was hoping that my breach could become my all purpose go to av so I could finally ditch the swarms. Yeah in combat situations you will be hitting the side of the lav or dropship 95% of the time and only get the 40% efficiency. I hope this is not intended. A well fit lav or dropship will be near impossible to take out with a mass driver, unless they're just sitting there letting you shoot them.
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 15:11:00 - [26] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: IR Scifi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vyuru wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships. Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships. That's kind of disappointing, I was hoping that my breach could become my all purpose go to av so I could finally ditch the swarms. Yeah in combat situations you will be hitting the side of the lav or dropship 95% of the time and only get the 40% efficiency. I hope this is not intended. A well fit lav or dropship will be near impossible to take out with a mass driver, unless they're just sitting there letting you shoot them. Consider this for a moment: Assuming a max level Minmatar Commando with stacked damage mods, you're looking at about 594 damage per shot from a Breach Mass Driver. Even at half damage, which is what you'd get against an LAV, you're doing about 300 damage. You have six shots in the cylinder, for a total of 1,783 damage. Apply the armor damage bonus (20%) and it comes out to 2,140 damage. Assuming a 'Quafe' Methana with no modules attached has 1,200 armor.... You should theoretically be able to kill it within 4 shots. Not counting if you hit the engine block which would do double that damage, meaning you'd only need 2 well placed rounds. This is all paper math, results in game may differ. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 981	Posted - 2015.10.10 17:05:00 - [27] - Quote I'm not keen on these psuedo-AV weapons that we seem to be getting here. I tried a brach MD after the patch and couldn't even break the shield regen on an armour tank, so I looked at the efficiency rate and saw 41%. Clearly, that's not working as intended. I seem to recall Rattati stating that all explosive-type weapons would do full damage against vehicles, including the Assault HMG. The Breach has to become a full-blooded AV option now that the minmatar have lost swarms (something I completely agree with), otherwise we're cutting the nose to spite the face. If you're worried that the Breach MD would become too strong, consider it's RoF vs Damage per round; it has nowehere near the alpha burst of a PLC and it's projectile velocity is almost as slow, meaning that smashing an LAV that isn't standing still would require some supremely talented shooting. Tanks will take the first round, get hardeners up for the second and then take it from there. Dropships are relatively safe. The Breach has never been effective against infantry unless used as an "accidental shotgun". Honestly, just give it and the flaylock full efficiency and then tweak the damage after some solid feedback. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
ROMULUS H3X research lab 792	Posted - 2015.10.10 18:02:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Boot Booter wrote: IR Scifi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vyuru wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the mass driver and I think nova knives where only supposed to do full damage vs HAVs? Not vs LAS and dropships. Mass Driver only does full damage to LAVs on the engine block. Dunno about Dropships. That's kind of disappointing, I was hoping that my breach could become my all purpose go to av so I could finally ditch the swarms. Yeah in combat situations you will be hitting the side of the lav or dropship 95% of the time and only get the 40% efficiency. I hope this is not intended. A well fit lav or dropship will be near impossible to take out with a mass driver, unless they're just sitting there letting you shoot them. Consider this for a moment: Assuming a max level Minmatar Commando with stacked damage mods, you're looking at about 594 damage per shot from a Breach Mass Driver. Even at half damage, which is what you'd get against an LAV, you're doing about 300 damage. You have six shots in the cylinder, for a total of 1,783 damage. Apply the armor damage bonus (20%) and it comes out to 2,140 damage. Assuming a 'Quafe' Methana with no modules attached has 1,200 armor.... You should theoretically be able to kill it within 4 shots. Not counting if you hit the engine block which would do double that damage, meaning you'd only need 2 well placed rounds. This is all paper math, results in game may differ. Damn straight it SHOULD kill an unmodified Methana in 2shots.. Rhetorical Reasoning: Would you bring a suit with NO modules into battle at all? Then why bring a vehicle with no modules on the field and expect it to LAST. Now with an Armor Hardener, Repair, Plate + Shielf extender... All module slots filled, that Breach Driver will have one hell of a time trying... especially on the move. Just a bit of logic for you, or should I 'Tell you more'.... FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.10 20:09:00 - [29] - Quote ^ It definitely should. I mean a plasma cannon can one hit a poorly fit LAV and most suits. Now you're telling me that the breach MD shouldn't be just as potent especially considering it is way more difficult to use. I just don't want the breach MD to be a half a$$ed job. Make it the potent minmatar AV weapon it's supposed to be.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 793	Posted - 2015.10.10 20:17:00 - [30] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: ^ It definitely should. I mean a plasma cannon can one hit a poorly fit LAV and most suits. Now you're telling me that the breach MD shouldn't be just as potent especially considering it is way more difficult to use. I just don't want the breach MD to be a half a$$ed job. Make it the potent minmatar AV weapon it's supposed to be. Exactly, I am sure the rest of the DUST community would agree with this sentiment. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!



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