DUST Search - [Hypothetical] Meta lock is now a thing

Daemonn Adima wrote:

Do some of you forget not everyone has proto gear? I've been playing for 2 months and have 5mil lifetime SP. Starting out, there was nothing ingame that helped me understand what to skill in. Just that certain things were locked until I got that skill up.

Naturally I went for different weapons because I tried the militia versions and thought it'd be nice to have a range of weapons to choose from. Then I discovered the benefits of certain suits and weapons combined. But I had already spent my starting SP and a few weeks worth of grinding on pretty useless skills.

I still don't have a protosuit. I barely have any complex mods. Skilling up the necessary dropsuit modules to fit more advanced equipment and weapons has set me back. I'm only level 3 in GalAssault and it's going to take almost 2mil more SP to unlock proto assault.

Playing against you officer gear/proto geared players sucks. I've got decent gun game and understanding of how to get WP while helping the team, but 9/10 times I will lose toe to toe against proto. And to compound the issue, the protostomps result in the noobs gaining next to nothing for SP and probably going isk negative. Then you guys tell them to git gud or just "run better kit"? Seriously asinine.

It doesn't even feel fair when I'm not missing shots and I get the drop on someone only for them to hop, spin and then near instant kill me. My most stacked assault suit has around 550ahp and 150shp and most proto/officer weapons with stacked damage mods and all the other bonuses from having more tertiary skills leveled makes the TTK damn near instant.

I am not afraid of dying, but I can't even use proto yet. So do I count as someone "playing their way" and forcing you to use officer/proto gear to carry?

I think the issue is proto/officer gear has such a large disparity in performance from std. or adv. gear, new players get steamrolled because we literally CANNOT equip the same level of gear as you guys. Yet you insist on using this gear against noobs and then complain about people not playing how you want them to?

There is no magic formula to go 20/0 you're right. It's a basic formula called stack gear that gives you an evident performance advantage over any player that does not have the same level gear... Proto should fight proto only.

Why do most level based games separate low level and high level players in PvP? Because they are so powerful stat wise (whether from gear or level) it's not fair to have them fight against the lower characters. Why do you feel this same situation doesn't warrant power segregation?

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Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 20	Posted - 2015.10.04 05:14:00 - [1] - Quote Let's pretend dropsuits in pubs are limited to a total of 28 meta. What's the most broken thing you can come up with?
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 05:30:00 - [2] - Quote Any commando Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto One V One Emperor
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 05:47:00 - [3] - Quote Let's pretend meta isn't the dumbest idea ever. Let's pretend people who play like lemmings are asking for meta locks. Let's pretend it won't make the game die. Let's pretend this won't get trolled
The Eristic Hostile Takeovers 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 05:55:00 - [4] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Let's pretend it won't make the game die. Are we also pretending it hasn't already? Recruiting PC mercs! Pub chat: Blatant Hostility
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.10.04 06:48:00 - [5] - Quote This thread is fun. Keep pretending guys. The only voice for a port is the voice of reason from money drying up. More skins and 1% damage to keep Dust on PS3.
D4GG3R S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D 2	Posted - 2015.10.04 06:49:00 - [6] - Quote Let's pretend "Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix I watch anime for the boobs
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 06:56:00 - [7] - Quote Let's pretend this game isn't a cash cow to keep that stupid game eve afloat.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 06:58:00 - [8] - Quote Let's pretend big corps don't have infinite isk helping this game die.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 06:59:00 - [9] - Quote The Eristic wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Let's pretend it won't make the game die. Are we also pretending it hasn't already? As long as there will be no port to a platform without broke people playing... Yes
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.10.04 07:03:00 - [10] - Quote Lets pretend that the heads of CCP actually think about Dust 514 more than how to ignore us at fanfest. The only voice for a port is the voice of reason from money drying up. More skins and 1% damage to keep Dust on PS3.

Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 07:31:00 - [11] - Quote lets pretend that your opinions matter Reserved
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 07:49:00 - [12] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: lets pretend that your opinions matter Let's pretend you matter.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 2	Posted - 2015.10.04 08:22:00 - [13] - Quote tanks Modern society is lacking in empathy
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 08:34:00 - [14] - Quote Scout G1-series Complex KinCat Complex Damp Complex Damp Complex Ferro Basic Shield Extender Basic Shield Extender Basic Shotgun Basic Bolt Pistol Flux Compact Nano Adv Cloak 28 meta exactly 333/303 CPU 66/68 PG I went over on CPU because i only have lvl 3 GalScout but imma go ahead and guess that at lvl 5 it'll fit. If not then I'll just drop the flux and compact. TBD ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 08:44:00 - [15] - Quote Republic Assault MK.0 Luis Combat Rifle Standard SMG Flux Compact Complex Ferroscale Complex Ferroscale Complex Ferroscale Complex Armor Repair 4x Krin dmg mods Quafe skin 28 meta lvl Edit Apparently i cant read numbers correctly. Or im tired as ****. TBD ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 818	Posted - 2015.10.04 13:47:00 - [16] - Quote C-l series scout Complex myo Complex myo Complex myo Basic damp Basic damp Quafe PLC Bolt pistol Quafe C L skin 28 meta Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.04 14:19:00 - [17] - Quote Even more fun is pretending the types that whine for meta locks would all of a sudden be willing to fight if they got their way. Seriously, port it. Hurry
IceShifter Childhaspawn Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance 783	Posted - 2015.10.04 14:25:00 - [18] - Quote This They would just strap the biggest gun on the lowest suit. Its about TTK. Tuned in PC but nowhere else It's hard to beat up hundreds of armor piercing bullets using only your face...
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 818	Posted - 2015.10.04 14:28:00 - [19] - Quote The point of this thread, I believe, is to point out how a meta-lock could be abused. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.04 16:58:00 - [20] - Quote Gallente Assault Assault Rifle CPX damage mods + Krin's I win. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.

HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 17:39:00 - [21] - Quote Devadander wrote: The point of this thread, I believe, is to point out how a meta-lock could be abused. This is exactly what I thought the moment I heard it ( meta lock ) in the first place. It won't force people to fight harder or smarter. It doesn't account for sp, exp, organization or play style. It's a stupid idea and a complete waste of resources.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.04 18:34:00 - [22] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Devadander wrote: The point of this thread, I believe, is to point out how a meta-lock could be abused. This is exactly what I thought the moment I heard it ( meta lock ) in the first place. It won't force people to fight harder or smarter. It doesn't account for sp, exp, organization or play style. It's a stupid idea and a complete waste of resources. I used to call for bigger payouts, but it's not necessary anymore. You can get insanely wealthy in Dust now without a ton of effort. I run proto and officer 24/7 and add at least 100 mil in wealth each month. People just don't like fighting. It's a behavior that scares me about mankind. How big of a fagina do you have to be to fear dying in a video game? It's completely absurd when you consider these people chose to play a FPS. I think Dust tapped into some flawed gene in People. Like the third nipple gene. Seriously, port it. Hurry
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 18:52:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Devadander wrote: The point of this thread, I believe, is to point out how a meta-lock could be abused. This is exactly what I thought the moment I heard it ( meta lock ) in the first place. It won't force people to fight harder or smarter. It doesn't account for sp, exp, organization or play style. It's a stupid idea and a complete waste of resources. I used to call for bigger payouts, but it's not necessary anymore. You can get insanely wealthy in Dust now without a ton of effort. I run proto and officer 24/7 and add at least 100 mil in wealth each month. People just don't like fighting. It's a behavior that scares me about mankind. How big of a fagina do you have to be to fear dying in a video game? It's completely absurd when you consider these people chose to play a FPS. I think Dust tapped into some flawed gene in People. Like the third nipple gene. The reason I think this game can't be balanced is Corp pay and organized squads. Corp pay ( for large corps making billions per week ) makes running pro/officer gear 24/7 easy, especially after trading was introduced. Organized squads ( especially in pubs ) have a huge advantage vs randoms. Even if the other people are equally skilled the squad will be communicating, share passive scans, and score more wp ( throw in a couple warbarge strikes ) equaling better pay, furthering there ability to always run the best gear furthering the gap. But if you remove Corp money making, squads from pubs, and reset wallets to zero half the players would quit overnight.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 18:54:00 - [24] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Let's pretend dropsuits in pubs are limited to a total of 28 meta. What's the most broken thing you can come up with? All of my APEX suits, unmodified, have a Meta Level higher than 28. My APEX 'Spartan' Assault has a Meta Level of 43. Not being able to use my APEX suits would be ********. A 28 Meta Level is ridiculously low. I would rather pubs be limited to APEX, Advanced, and Standard gear (Militia gear is trash and should be removed to save memory). Proto and Officer gear can be used in Factional Warfare and PC.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.04 20:08:00 - [25] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Let's pretend dropsuits in pubs are limited to a total of 28 meta. What's the most broken thing you can come up with? All of my APEX suits, unmodified, have a Meta Level higher than 28. My APEX 'Spartan' Assault has a Meta Level of 43. Not being able to use my APEX suits would be ********. A 28 Meta Level is ridiculously low. I would rather pubs be limited to APEX, Advanced, and Standard gear (Militia gear is trash and should be removed to save memory). Proto and Officer gear can be used in Factional Warfare and PC. Like I was telling you before, the gear in pubs isn't the problem ( unless you're one of the guy's going 5--20 in milita thinking whooohooo profit while making the guy in proto think he must be invincible). Just because I have the sp and isk dos the mean I should have to run pro/officer gear nonstop to carry the lower skilled broke lemmings who want to play "their way". If I did play that way I would be as broke as them, this game is economically based ( tho PC funds break that ). It seems like everyone wants to be the only guy who can go 20-0 and there's some kind of majic formula that will allow everyone to do that. Every day I have several rounds that I run sucide mission's just to mess with the other team even if I gets me killed repeatedly it's fun to make 4-5 people panic and run breaking their organization long enuf for my team to get an upper hand.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 454	Posted - 2015.10.04 20:20:00 - [26] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Scout G1-series Complex KinCat Complex Damp Complex Damp Complex Ferro Basic Shield Extender Basic Shield Extender Basic Shotgun Basic Bolt Pistol Flux Compact Nano Adv Cloak 28 meta exactly 333/303 CPU 66/68 PG I went over on CPU because i only have lvl 3 GalScout but imma go ahead and guess that at lvl 5 it'll fit. If not then I'll just drop the flux and compact. An example as to why in my recent posting I suggested all Basic suits, weapons, and modules. Slightly lower payouts, salvage won't be as much but you won't have officer/proto spam and a higher likelihood of player retention.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H No Context 266	Posted - 2015.10.04 20:31:00 - [27] - Quote Do some of you forget not everyone has proto gear? I've been playing for 2 months and have 5mil lifetime SP. Starting out, there was nothing ingame that helped me understand what to skill in. Just that certain things were locked until I got that skill up. Naturally I went for different weapons because I tried the militia versions and thought it'd be nice to have a range of weapons to choose from. Then I discovered the benefits of certain suits and weapons combined. But I had already spent my starting SP and a few weeks worth of grinding on pretty useless skills. I still don't have a protosuit. I barely have any complex mods. Skilling up the necessary dropsuit modules to fit more advanced equipment and weapons has set me back. I'm only level 3 in GalAssault and it's going to take almost 2mil more SP to unlock proto assault. Playing against you officer gear/proto geared players sucks. I've got decent gun game and understanding of how to get WP while helping the team, but 9/10 times I will lose toe to toe against proto. And to compound the issue, the protostomps result in the noobs gaining next to nothing for SP and probably going isk negative. Then you guys tell them to git gud or just "run better kit"? Seriously asinine. It doesn't even feel fair when I'm not missing shots and I get the drop on someone only for them to hop, spin and then near instant kill me. My most stacked assault suit has around 550ahp and 150shp and most proto/officer weapons with stacked damage mods and all the other bonuses from having more tertiary skills leveled makes the TTK damn near instant. I am not afraid of dying, but I can't even use proto yet. So do I count as someone "playing their way" and forcing you to use officer/proto gear to carry? I think the issue is proto/officer gear has such a large disparity in performance from std. or adv. gear, new players get steamrolled because we literally CANNOT equip the same level of gear as you guys. Yet you insist on using this gear against noobs and then complain about people not playing how you want them to? There is no magic formula to go 20/0 you're right. It's a basic formula called stack gear that gives you an evident performance advantage over any player that does not have the same level gear... Proto should fight proto only. Why do most level based games separate low level and high level players in PvP? Because they are so powerful stat wise (whether from gear or level) it's not fair to have them fight against the lower characters. Why do you feel this same situation doesn't warrant power segregation?
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H No Context 266	Posted - 2015.10.04 20:40:00 - [28] - Quote From another metalock thread: Pro and Con community collab. Pros Semi balances gameplay by eliminating the proto stomp Reduces officer spam Reduces jumper suits (this is questionable) Less stomps will result in saved isk/better payouts for noobs Better games will result in higher SP rewards, speeding up progression for newer players Less proto stacking will lower the amount of redline games Less redline means players can play as the role they want, encouraging greater diversity amongst roles in games Cons There will still be stomps, although they will have to stomp with strategy and teamwork. Not just hp/dmg advantage. Queue times will likely increase unless player base grows at the same time. Players will have to mix proto with other levels of kit to fit into lower tiers. PG/CPU will limit module and equipment choices, balancing the use of proto weapons or gear.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 23	Posted - 2015.10.04 23:16:00 - [29] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Let's pretend dropsuits in pubs are limited to a total of 28 meta. What's the most broken thing you can come up with? All of my APEX suits, unmodified, have a Meta Level higher than 28. My APEX 'Spartan' Assault has a Meta Level of 43. Not being able to use my APEX suits would be ********. A 28 Meta Level is ridiculously low. I would rather pubs be limited to APEX, Advanced, and Standard gear (Militia gear is trash and should be removed to save memory). Proto and Officer gear can be used in Factional Warfare and PC. As low as you think 28 is, have you seen what people have managed to do with it?
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 23	Posted - 2015.10.04 23:41:00 - [30] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Do some of you forget not everyone has proto gear? I've been playing for 2 months and have 5mil lifetime SP. Starting out, there was nothing ingame that helped me understand what to skill in. Just that certain things were locked until I got that skill up. Naturally I went for different weapons because I tried the militia versions and thought it'd be nice to have a range of weapons to choose from. Then I discovered the benefits of certain suits and weapons combined. But I had already spent my starting SP and a few weeks worth of grinding on pretty useless skills. I still don't have a protosuit. I barely have any complex mods. Skilling up the necessary dropsuit modules to fit more advanced equipment and weapons has set me back. I'm only level 3 in GalAssault and it's going to take almost 2mil more SP to unlock proto assault. Playing against you officer gear/proto geared players sucks. I've got decent gun game and understanding of how to get WP while helping the team, but 9/10 times I will lose toe to toe against proto. And to compound the issue, the protostomps result in the noobs gaining next to nothing for SP and probably going isk negative. Then you guys tell them to git gud or just "run better kit"? Seriously asinine. It doesn't even feel fair when I'm not missing shots and I get the drop on someone only for them to hop, spin and then near instant kill me. My most stacked assault suit has around 550ahp and 150shp and most proto/officer weapons with stacked damage mods and all the other bonuses from having more tertiary skills leveled makes the TTK damn near instant. I am not afraid of dying, but I can't even use proto yet. So do I count as someone "playing their way" and forcing you to use officer/proto gear to carry? I think the issue is proto/officer gear has such a large disparity in performance from std. or adv. gear, new players get steamrolled because we literally CANNOT equip the same level of gear as you guys. Yet you insist on using this gear against noobs and then complain about people not playing how you want them to? There is no magic formula to go 20/0 you're right. It's a basic formula called stack gear that gives you an evident performance advantage over any player that does not have the same level gear... Proto should fight proto only. Why do most level based games separate low level and high level players in PvP? Because they are so powerful stat wise (whether from gear or level) it's not fair to have them fight against the lower characters. Why do you feel this same situation doesn't warrant power segregation? The system - as it stands - could have worked if Dust had a much, MUCH larger player base. But it doesn't, so here we are.



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