Caldari have 30/sec 1sec depleted delay. And that's without any mods. Stick some regulator mods and that sucker and your doing almost 100/sec?! But honestly people will just stack damage mods.

Gallante Sentinel's currently have 4/sec and that's less than 1/6 the rep rate of the Caldari. Anyone else see a discrepancy here?! I understand how the Caldari work and their rep rate but come on, the Gallante have been getting the left overs for a very long time now and is getting old....

Caldari uses shields, which are vastly different from Gallente's armor tanking. Armor tankers have the benefits of repair tools, which I've seen go upwards of 100+ with no delay. The shield tank is also considerably weaker, due to the fact that total Shields on a Cal Sentinel is still lower than total Armor on a Gal.



Oh, also, did you ever hear an Amarr Sentinel whine about their 1-2 hp/s rep rate?
Or their upcoming 10/s shield recharge?
No?
Good.

Yeah sure, use the best Sentinel (Amarr) as an example. GG... The Amarr are armor stacking kings(several hundred more ehp than any other race), they are pincushions excellent for logi-ing so armor reps are not pertinent here. So that statement is invalid.
10/sec shields are effecting Gallante too genius.
Not every game you play has a good* logi when you need them 24/7.


Just like I said earlier: I understand how the shield tanking works, here's the problem: shield tanking has zero movement penalty, has native high 30 reps/sec, 1 sec depleted delay, takes much less damage from explosives and has a crap load of modules for it: shield regulator, shield extenders, shield rechargers, and shield energizers! After your shield is gone ,unless amarr, you're dead! Because practically everything in the game has armor damage bonuses.
When your a Gallente you want your shields to stay up as much as possible otherwise your measly reps won't save you.

All Gallente have is armor repairers..... Armor Repairers.

Not an armor regulator or a armor repairer energizer, neither a base high armor rep.

Hell, the dropsuit core skills don't give any of the repping bonuses to reactive plates either! Shield tankers are not UP people just rather stack damage mods.

Save me your ranting antics and can somebody intellectually give some proper input?!

I posted this is your other thread too...

I have to, respectfully, disagree here.

Hang on before anyone rages.

Yes the shield regeneration vs armor repair is really no comparison. Regen, clearly, goes to shields. It isn't enough though.

1. Once our shields are down, we have to retreat, quickly. We don't have the armor to stand and fight. Caldari only have one slot for armor (high slot?) and it should be used for a shield regulator. Well, in my opinion. anyway.

2. There are no rep tools that repair shields (yet). A repair tool can be hooked to armor sentinels and then armor repair far surpasses that of the shield regeneration. No amount of Energizers can get as high as prototype rep tools.

3. Armor repair works constantly, even under fire. Shield regeneration stops with any amount of damage received.

I'm not trying to start a war but if you have 4 (correct me if I am wrong) and you stack all complex armor repairers (which should equal 28?) then your repair can over come shield regeneration. You also have to remember that shields go first. They are the first barrier. Laser rifles and Scrambler rifles just plain melt shields damn near instantly.

Just some corrections:

1) Armour mods goes in low slot, not high slot,, same with Regulators.

2) It is actually possible to get a Shield Regen fit that's as fast as a Core Focused Rep Tool, tho not a Core Focused on a Min Logi. It does require sacrificing some HP and using lower tier weapons. Probably could push near Min Logi levels but it would cost too much HP, not to mention the extreme fitting costs.

3) If you were to fit an Amarr Sentinel with 4 Complex Repairs, the mods would give you around 37.5HP/s on top of the suits base of 1.5HP/s for a total 39HP/s. Gallente Sentinels have a base rep of 4HP/s but only 3 Low Slots, so their total rep is 32HP/s (4HP/s + 28HP/s for 3 Rep mods)


It's point 3 that the OP is actually trying to fix (Gallente should have the highest Armour Repair potential of the Sentinels) but comparing Armour Repair to Shield Regen is the wrong way to do it.

Just some corrections:

1) Armour mods goes in low slot, not high slot,, same with Regulators.

2) It is actually possible to get a Shield Regen fit that's as fast as a Core Focused Rep Tool, tho not a Core Focused on a Min Logi. It does require sacrificing some HP and using lower tier weapons. Probably could push near Min Logi levels but it would cost too much HP, not to mention the extreme fitting costs.

3) If you were to fit an Amarr Sentinel with 4 Complex Repairs, the mods would give you around 37.5HP/s on top of the suits base of 1.5HP/s for a total 39HP/s. Gallente Sentinels have a base rep of 4HP/s but only 3 Low Slots, so their total rep is 32HP/s (4HP/s + 28HP/s for 3 Rep mods)


It's point 3 that the OP is actually trying to fix (Gallente should have the highest Armour Repair potential of the Sentinels) but comparing Armour Repair to Shield Regen is the wrong way to do it.

Caldari have 30/sec 1sec depleted delay. And that's without any mods. Stick some regulator mods and that sucker and your doing almost 100/sec?! But honestly people will just stack damage mods.

Gallante Sentinel's currently have 4/sec and that's less than 1/6 the rep rate of the Caldari. Anyone else see a discrepancy here?! I understand how the Caldari work and their rep rate but come on, the Gallante have been getting the left overs for a very long time now and is getting old....

I posted this is your other thread too...

I have to, respectfully, disagree here.

Hang on before anyone rages.

Yes the shield regeneration vs armor repair is really no comparison. Regen, clearly, goes to shields. It isn't enough though.

1. Once our shields are down, we have to retreat, quickly. We don't have the armor to stand and fight. Caldari only have one slot for armor (high slot?) and it should be used for a shield regulator. Well, in my opinion. anyway.

2. There are no rep tools that repair shields (yet). A repair tool can be hooked to armor sentinels and then armor repair far surpasses that of the shield regeneration. No amount of Energizers can get as high as prototype rep tools.

3. Armor repair works constantly, even under fire. Shield regeneration stops with any amount of damage received.

I'm not trying to start a war but if you have 4 (correct me if I am wrong) and you stack all complex armor repairers (which should equal 28?) then your repair can over come shield regeneration. You also have to remember that shields go first. They are the first barrier. Laser rifles and Scrambler rifles just plain melt shields damn near instantly.

If you think the Gallente Sentinel is the one that needs help between Cal and Gal sentinels, then your perception of balance is off a bit.

RE #1: You SHOULD be using it for a shield regulator (though cardiac reg is pretty attractive for sentinel imo since it cranks their mobility up alot), but given the large armor pool and the abysmal reps, the Cal Sentinel is pretty much required to use a complex repair module to be effective over long term. So unless you are dying every other engagement anyway, you need a repair module.

Actually the regulator provides better long-term survivability on a calsent in my experience. The armor means jack all if you can't keep that shield buffer up. Getting it up and keeping it there as much as possible makes the calsent survivable. Armor reps are minimal value-adds at best and a misused low slot at worst.

Both are alternately cited as the "worst" depending on who is talking.

Personally I find the galsent more situational than most of the others, but I still find it useful in spots where the amsent doesn't provide enough firepower and the calsent is too fragile.

There is already something in the works on this front. If/when it becomes a thing we will announce it at the appropriate time.

I disagree but that's personal opinion. I put them at Amarr, cal, min, gal in that order. But again, personal opinion. But there's very few habitual calsent players that skip the regulator, because unlike amsents and galsents, #1 priority is the shield buffer. As long as the shields are up, you're alive. If they go down you'remost likely dead anyway

And the 1 sec depleted isn't why you need the reg. The 4 sevond non-depleted is. Because you cant run away..

Caldari have 30/sec 1sec depleted delay. And that's without any mods. Stick some regulator mods and that sucker and your doing almost 100/sec?! But honestly people will just stack damage mods.

Gallante Sentinel's currently have 4/sec and that's less than 1/6 the rep rate of the Caldari. Anyone else see a discrepancy here?! I understand how the Caldari work and their rep rate but come on, the Gallante have been getting the left overs for a very long time now and is getting old....

The Gallente Sentinel should be given an additional 2 HP/Second for a total of 6 HP per second of native regen, and then it should be reevaluated.

The Gal Sent is only slightly behind the other Sentinel suits currently. Giving them 10 HP per second might tip the scales of balance the other way. Better to take smaller steps when things aren't far off of balance to start with.

The Gal Sent is not a bad suit as it is. It is just not quite as good as the other Sent suits. But the gap is narrow.

I used you as a study for sentinel use because I use to think that Cal was garbage until I really started to use it and I would wreak face in that suit and I wouldn't even use a regulator , I would use a complex reactive for the armor reps or the complex armor for the tank and stack krins with a ADV or complex energizer / charger , I did that because I play solo for the most part and I would be in games and some logistic players just don't rep and provide for anyone but those that are in their squad but that energizer would bring my shields right back up as long as I could last long enough for the depleted to activate , like I said .. the damage capabilities of that suit makes it the strongest to me by far and I would wreak Amarr sentinels because their tank would make them believe that they could just sit there and take punishment but when I entered the room , the first thing I would look for was the logistic players so my team would have a much easier time dealing with everyone else .

Gal's are cool to me because they have the rail and projectile defensive bonuses which are the best to me because people mostly run rails and combat rifles ( that will change now with the hotfix ) and the HMG is a projectile so while you don't have the tank , you more then likely are the first to get back in the fight without the help of a logi if your using armor reps , I think the Amarr is laser for the shields and plasma for the armor but it could be projectile as well ... I'm not on at the moment and I always forget these things and with one high it just can't dish out the power the other sentinels do even with all that tank , you almost have to rely on a logi to be the stonewall the suit was designed to be .

Mins are fast and agile and they have not so great defensive bonuses but like the Amarr they have one for the shields and one for the armor , maybe it's the Min that get's the plasma for the armor but with their high slot count and that mobility that suit isn't great but it isn't that bad either , you have to be on your toes when using the Min .

To me the Cal is a beast if you use it reasonably and not try to stone wall but more of a support system but I use to wreak face in that suit .

Fox you know what your talking about and I listen to you now , your not bias and you know your $h!t .

I still like to test theories though but it's always good to have someone who knows what their talking about speaking on issues .

I think the Gal is fine but obvious that's just me . Could it use something more .?. I guess you could say that about them all and to me the sentinel class is the most balanced class but again , that's just me .

They need to keep the ( defensive ) blast radius bonuses but I would like to see a resistance to explosives but I guess you make due with what you've got . People just don't give that bonus the credit it deserves .

Thank you Fox .