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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 16:49:00 -
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this thread isnt about whether or not the suit combined with the double flux is op
this thread is about how little wps intel assists reward does anyone else feel like the gal logi dramatically unper forms in wp earning?
i feel like the suit just doesnt make enough wp to benefit
i think regardless of whether or not the gal logi is getting nerfed ccp should buff the rewards for scanning to bring the gal logis wp levels up to the other logis
my amar and min logi easy make double the wp my gal logi does
while scans may be greatly rewarding to the team they are not really rewarding for the logi carrying them..thats two equipment that are giving you crap for wp which also means that you make less isk at the end of the match.
are there any people whos only role is the gal logi? do you feel it under performs on the leader boards?
(romulus hex) suggested solution move scans back to squad only and buff wp rewards
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.09.27 16:56:00 -
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Why? You can use all the same equipment.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:11:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:14:00 -
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Gal logis are just fine.
UNTIL I start getting points for everyone who kills anyone I have scanned, it will remain just fine.
The major drawback of scans are they you get little to no WP for all your efforts and isk.
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Raven-747
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:15:00 -
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Who asked you to use 4 scanners and perma scan the entire team like a pesky little gal logi. Use other equipments like the reps or needle for a change genius.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:18:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Gal logis are just fine.
UNTIL I start getting points for everyone who kills anyone I have scanned, it will remain just fine.
The major drawback of scans are they you get little to no WP for all your efforts and isk. thats what im saying you get like nothing for rewards
i dont even use gal logi in pubs its a pc only suit because its just not an earner i mean its a great help to your team..but im only ok with using a role that has no real personal benefit in pc
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:19:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:Who asked you to use 4 scanners and perma scan the entire team like a pesky little gal logi. Use other equipments like the reps or needle for a change genius. but the fact of the matter is out of all the logis gal logi gets the least reward for its specialty
all other logis main gear makes them more wp
ps why on earth would anyone run 4 freaking scanners 2 fluxs is all you need
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CallMeNoName
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:34:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Raven-747 wrote:Who asked you to use 4 scanners and perma scan the entire team like a pesky little gal logi. Use other equipments like the reps or needle for a change genius. but the fact of the matter is out of all the logis gal logi gets the least reward for its specialty all other logis main gear makes them more wp ps why on earth would anyone run 4 freaking scanners 2 fluxs is all you need
I guess the only gear that Gal Logis can equip is Scanners, huh...
It's not like the scanners reveal where the enemy is so you can kill them or something...
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TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:34:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:Who asked you to use 4 scanners and perma scan the entire team like a pesky little gal logi. Use other equipments like the reps or needle for a change genius. That's right!! I only use 3 proto scanners on my Min logi. Why would anyone need 4?? |
Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:43:00 -
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CallMeNoName wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Raven-747 wrote:Who asked you to use 4 scanners and perma scan the entire team like a pesky little gal logi. Use other equipments like the reps or needle for a change genius. but the fact of the matter is out of all the logis gal logi gets the least reward for its specialty all other logis main gear makes them more wp ps why on earth would anyone run 4 freaking scanners 2 fluxs is all you need I guess the only gear that Gal Logis can equip is Scanners, huh... It's not like the scanners reveal where the enemy is so you can kill them or something... well the point of this thread seems to have been completely missed by several people ..let me try and make this simple
scans not giving enough wp
when compared to uplinks amarr reps minmatar nanos caldari
none of the other logis have to run other gear i understand that they do run other gear but they dont have to in order to make effective wp ona gal logi you have to run other gear because you specialty is NOT REWARDING to you personally only to your team
am i speaking russian here or something
logi main stat is wp ....
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:49:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:this thread isnt about whether or not the suit combined with the double flux is op
this thread is about how little wps intel assists reward does anyone else feel like the gal logi dramatically unper forms in wp earning?
i feel like the suit just doesnt make enough wp to benefit
i think regardless of whether or not the gal logi is getting nerfed ccp should buff the rewards for scanning to bring the gal logis wp levels up to the other logis
my amar and min logi easy make double the wp my gal logi does
while scans may be greatly rewarding to the team they are not really rewarding for the logi carrying them..thats two equipment that are giving you crap for wp which also means that you make less isk at the end of the match.
are there any people whos only role is the gal logi? do you feel it under performs on the leader boards?
I primarily run solo so I never get intel WPs for running my GalLogi which is ********. I run all Gallente Suits but my primary suit is the GalAssault. If I switch to my GalLogi to provide scans I am doing it to benefit my team yet I get no reward for doing that.
Meanwhile squads who don't know a damn thing about running and assisting a full team get all the praise and WPs are just handed to them.
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:56:00 -
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Kinda think team scans should be done with, make it squad only as it used to be.. then we should be able to boost WP.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:58:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:Kinda think team scans should be done with, make it squad only as it used to be.. then we should be able to boost WP.
Win and WIN. ahh an opinion i respect i do not run gal logi enough to say about whether or not scans should be made squad only but +1 rom +1
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:59:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:this thread isnt about whether or not the suit combined with the double flux is op
this thread is about how little wps intel assists reward does anyone else feel like the gal logi dramatically unper forms in wp earning?
i feel like the suit just doesnt make enough wp to benefit
i think regardless of whether or not the gal logi is getting nerfed ccp should buff the rewards for scanning to bring the gal logis wp levels up to the other logis
my amar and min logi easy make double the wp my gal logi does
while scans may be greatly rewarding to the team they are not really rewarding for the logi carrying them..thats two equipment that are giving you crap for wp which also means that you make less isk at the end of the match.
are there any people whos only role is the gal logi? do you feel it under performs on the leader boards? I primarily run solo so I never get intel WPs for running my GalLogi which is ********. I run all Gallente Suits but my primary suit is the GalAssault. If I switch to my GalLogi to provide scans I am doing it to benefit my team yet I get no reward for doing that. Meanwhile squads who don't know a damn thing about running and assisting a full team get all the praise and WPs are just handed to them. CCP, stop treating solo players like second-class citizens. We're ******* human beings too!
thank you for your input i agree obviously
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:02:00 -
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If wp where given for team kill's instead of squad then people would just sit back with 4 of them and hand there team a likely win while reaping lots of wp all while staying out of harms way. Helping your team so much should be reward enuf. |
Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:05:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:If wp where given for team kill's instead of squad then people would just sit back with 4 of them and hand there team a likely win while reaping lots of wp all while staying out of harms way. Helping your team so much should be reward enuf. mmm but every other logi gets wp for helping their team those wps give them a leader board ranking and allow them to make more isk
gal logi is the least isk efficient logi because of this
thats why i think romulus's idea is the optimal one
remove team scans make them squad only and buff the wps for intel kill assists this also makes scans less op
mot once in this thread did i suggest wps be rewarded for team kills btw
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:11:00 -
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You have for slots: Use them
2 scans, needle, rep, get good intel, pick up frineds, rep for WP.
Gal logi only gets bad WP if you use 4 scans and hopw for 15 wp per kill.
In a PC thats 15 wp inel for near every kill in your squad.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:14:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:You have for slots: Use them
2 scans, needle, rep, get good intel, pick up frineds, rep for WP.
Gal logi only gets bad WP if you use 4 scans and hopw for 15 wp per kill.
In a PC thats 15 wp inel for near every kill in your squad.
once again it seems people fail to read threads before they comment
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:16:00 -
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The idiot you guys are running with that's running 4 scanners is gimping your team smh?!
Why would you run no other equipment? The fact that you think true logis do is comical lol! That's like a Cal logi running nothing but ammo smh?!
The point is the WP gain for the gal logi is low in comparison to other logis. In order: Min, Amarr, cal, gal
No surprise hear since it's pretty much in that order with everything in this game?! With exception of a few things, the min and amarr races have crazy advantages.
That's not to say that the other races don't have advantages, but you don't see players running much Gallente anything, except the scout. It's commonly know that gal heavy is a loss to all but the loyalist that run them.
The caldari weapons are more interesting than the Cal suit's, particularly the bp and ARR.
The amarr has the best heavy, best assault bonus, logi with a sidearm, Amarr scout, devastating weapons, etc.
The min..... oh for Christ sake, do I really have to type it all out?
While I'm looking forward to the hotfix, and all the changes it will bring, I fear we're still in for a long road of imbalance overall.
Alot of players confuse balance with advantage and bonus. Having an advantage in damp doesn't make the gal scout invincible, just invisible. However, to be invisible is useless if you're paper thin?! The same can be said for the min scouts speed and quickness. The min assault comes to mind as being completely imbalanced against everything else on the field.
What the OP is asking for is WP gains to pay for it's highly requested skills. The same consideration should be there for tankers and pilots of dropships. Everyone wants to ask for these roles on the battlefield, but doesn't want to see them make isk doing it. The selfishness of the min logi in the forums is disrespectful.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:18:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:The idiot you guys are running with that's running 4 scanners is gimping your team smh?!
Why would you run no other equipment? The fact that you think true logis do is comical lol! That's like a Cal logi running nothing but ammo smh?!
The point is the WP gain for the gal logi is low in comparison to other logis. In order: Min, Amarr, cal, gal
No surprise hear since it's pretty much in that order with everything in this game?! With exception of a few things, the min and amarr races have crazy advantages.
That's not to say that the other races don't have advantages, but you don't see players running much Gallente anything, except the scout. It's commonly know that gal heavy is a loss to all but the loyalist that run them.
The caldari weapons are more interesting than the Cal suit's, particularly the bp and ARR.
The amarr has the best heavy, best assault bonus, logi with a sidearm, Amarr scout, devastating weapons, etc.
The min..... oh for Christ sake, do I really have to type it all out?
While I'm looking forward to the hotfix, and all the changes it will bring, I fear we're still in for a long road of imbalance overall.
Alot of players confuse balance with advantage and bonus. Having an advantage in damp doesn't make the gal scout invincible, just invisible. However, to be invisible is useless if you're paper thin?! The same can be said for the min scouts speed and quickness. The min assault comes to mind as being completely imbalanced against everything else on the field.
What the OP is asking for is WP gains to pay for it's highly requested skills. The same consideration should be there for tankers and pilots of dropships. Everyone wants to ask for these roles on the battlefield, but doesn't want to see them make isk doing it. The selfishness of the min logi in the forums is disrespectful.
omg somebody read the thread before they commented oh GLORY THE SYSTEM WORKS
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:33:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:You have for slots: Use them
2 scans, needle, rep, get good intel, pick up frineds, rep for WP.
Gal logi only gets bad WP if you use 4 scans and hopw for 15 wp per kill.
In a PC thats 15 wp inel for near every kill in your squad. once again it seems people fail to read threads before they comment
Again people fail to comprehend answer that isn't "OMG you are so right"
Scans are massive power projection, and you can still equip viziam flux uplinks and rep tools on a gal logi.
So yes, scan first the direction of the heavy in front of you with 15 second scans and earn intel WP + gaurdian WP + triage WP.
It only underperforms if you dont rep or drop links and used all 4 slots for scans in a pub match.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:36:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:You have for slots: Use them
2 scans, needle, rep, get good intel, pick up frineds, rep for WP.
Gal logi only gets bad WP if you use 4 scans and hopw for 15 wp per kill.
In a PC thats 15 wp inel for near every kill in your squad. once again it seems people fail to read threads before they comment Again people fail to comprehend answer that isn't "OMG you are so right" Scans are massive power projection, and you can still equip viziam flux uplinks and rep tools on a gal logi. So yes, scan first the direction of the heavy in front of you with 15 second scans and earn intel WP + gaurdian WP + triage WP. It only underperforms if you dont rep or drop links and used all 4 slots for scans in a pub match. i am amazed that you dont understand the point im not gunna try and explain it to you sorry i have little patience especially when other mercs have already demonstrated that they understand the point of this post
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:43:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Why? You can use all the same equipment. Exactly.
How about you take off those three scanners and use some other equipment and stop that permascans
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:56:00 -
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axis alpha wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why? You can use all the same equipment. Exactly. How about you take off those three scanners and use some other equipment and stop that permascans lol i love how peoples hate of perma scans overrides logic and common sense
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Posted - 2015.09.27 18:59:00 -
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+20 for squad +10 for team
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.09.27 19:05:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:
i do not run gal logi enough
Well then, i am wasting my time with this post.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.27 19:18:00 -
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I agree that GaLogis are undercompensated in WP for the important job they perform for their squad/team.
Also, solo players are not compensated at all for their efforts in providing intel for their team.
But......
The scan bonus on a Logi was always the odd man out in terms of the bonuses. It was wrong from day one and it's still wrong.
The other races get bonuses for triage, resupply & deployment - those are all important on the battlefield, true, but Information is paramount - to make access to information so incredibly asymmetric between the races is poor game design.
I'd rather see the GalLogi with a needle bonus to efficacy and range if Rattati & crew can manage it - if any race's Logi was meant to pick up clones under fire it's Gallente.
Imo shared scans are the single greatest unbalancing factor in this game and largely responsible for pub stomps. That doesn't mean that scans should go away, but if we want the game to be healthy then we need to think about this important and interesting aspect of gameplay a lot more than we have.
Edit: Also, if there were a candidate for a shared scan role, surely it would be on some kinda sidegrade of the Scout suit, no?
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.09.27 19:32:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
i do not run gal logi enough
Well then, i am wasting my time with this post. omg isnt it amazing how something takin out of context can look just wrong lol
you were wasting your time from the get go because you are incapable of understanding the point
i have 10 proto suits is why in this thread i specifically ask for the opinions of people who are more specialized gallente enthusiasts
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Jakkal Shoobah
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Posted - 2015.09.27 19:35:00 -
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Gal logi was my third suit I unlocked about 8 months ago. The 15 points for a Intel kill provided by a squad member is horse ****. With the exceptions of resupplies because that would be farmed as ****, most logi equipment provides 25 points. When someone dies or gets shot you can get triage galore, revive galore, or spawn galore and rack up points relatively quickly.
The problem with the scanner wp is that it requires too specific a situation. Its the only equipment that actually requires a squad to make points. That doesn't mean you can't use it solo, but the only reward solo is Intel for you and your team.
Other equipment can make points solo or not. Not only do they provide a service to the team they also casually provide Wp to the solo logi. So why is the scanner gimped in the sense that it REQUIRES a squad to make points ? Don't give me none of that its op permascan ****. Any logi using an equipment that was designed for their race should be able to adequately service his allies while reaping the benefits of Wp themselves whether solo or not.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2015.09.27 19:37:00 -
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Jakkal Shoobah wrote:Gal logi was my third suit I unlocked about 8 months ago. The 15 points for a Intel kill provided by a squad member is horse ****. With the exceptions of resupplies because that would be farmed as ****, most logi equipment provides 25 points. When someone dies or gets shot you can get triage galore, revive galore, or spawn galore and rack up points relatively quickly.
The problem with the scanner wp is that it requires too specific a situation. Its the only equipment that actually requires a squad to make points. That doesn't mean you can't use it solo, but the only reward solo is Intel for you and your team.
Other equipment can make points solo or not. Not only do they provide a service to the team they also casually provide Wp to the solo logi. So why is the scanner gimped in the sense that it REQUIRES a squad to make points ? Don't give me none of that its op permascan ****. Any logi using an equipment that was designed for their race should be able to adequately service his allies while reaping the benefits of Wp themselves whether solo or not.
i remember when i first got my gal logi ....same reaction when comparing to my min and amar logi
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