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Vicious Minotaur wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Sergeant Sazu wrote:

We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta.

Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment?

Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen.

Alright, done QQing. Thoughts?

Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded.

Wrong.

If you are like me, and are a mediocre player playing with fellow mediocre players and get matched up against a team of super pro-proto/officers spammers who cook grenades and land them right at your feet, Grenades will be an issue no matter what you are doing.

Hunkered in? Pro-player uses cooked grenade/nanohive combo. It's super effective!
Trying to get from A to B? Pro-player uses cooked grenade. It's super effective!
Just engaged Pro-player in glorious 1v1 and get the upper hand? Pro-player uses fallback/cooked grenade combo. It's super effective!
Defending a non-entrenched point? Pro-player uses cooked grenade/nanohive combo! It's super effective!

Yeah, you may say "but Minotaur, that's matchmaking/teambuilding/Cow's Mu not being functional! It's not the grenades fault!" You'd be right, but the game ain't any less borked and this change does nothing to help. I'll stay salty like Planters' Mr. Peanut, thanks.

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Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 794	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:08:00 - [1] - Quote We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta. Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment? Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen. Alright, done QQing. Thoughts? [75.2m SP] "I bet Sazu's great in an argument, since he makes so many points." -CeeJ Mantis -Logibro / Minmando-
VAHZZ RabbitGang 9	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:11:00 - [2] - Quote 20XX - Adapt or Die. Co-Founder of RabbitGang "VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR But Jesus lives down the street...
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:11:00 - [3] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta. Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment? Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen. Alright, done QQing. Thoughts? Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded. AVERT YOUR EYES!
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:12:00 - [4] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: 20XX - Respec or Die. FTFY AVERT YOUR EYES!
VAHZZ RabbitGang 9	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:13:00 - [5] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: VAHZZ wrote: 20XX - Respec or Die. FTFY Adapt, Respec, Die, QQ. Endless cycle. Co-Founder of RabbitGang "VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR But Jesus lives down the street...
Regnier Feros Pielords 774	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:14:00 - [6] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta. Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment? Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen. Alright, done QQing. Thoughts? Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded. Packed nades + meat grinder map = gg LongLiveQueenZarZar
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 794	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:18:00 - [7] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded. Our signature style is to roll around as a 3 or 4 Commando unit in Skirmish and bulldoze while I keep everyone on their feet. We do die often, mostly to getting overwhelmed because we get overconfident or to Core nades. Now in CQC environments, gungame is going to be almost meaningless because everyone has an 'I Win' ball of fun. [75.2m SP] "I bet Sazu's great in an argument, since he makes so many points." -CeeJ Mantis -Logibro / Minmando-
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:38:00 - [8] - Quote I'm now putting fused nade fits on all my scouts. Just for popping other scouts when I see them XD Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:41:00 - [9] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta. Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment? Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen. Alright, done QQing. Thoughts? Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded. Wrong. If you are like me, and are a mediocre player playing with fellow mediocre players and get matched up against a team of super pro-proto/officers spammers who cook grenades and land them right at your feet, Grenades will be an issue no matter what you are doing. Hunkered in? Pro-player uses cooked grenade/nanohive combo. It's super effective! Trying to get from A to B? Pro-player uses cooked grenade. It's super effective! Just engaged Pro-player in glorious 1v1 and get the upper hand? Pro-player uses fallback/cooked grenade combo. It's super effective! Defending a non-entrenched point? Pro-player uses cooked grenade/nanohive combo! It's super effective! Yeah, you may say "but Minotaur, that's matchmaking/teambuilding/Cow's Mu not being functional! It's not the grenades fault!" You'd be right, but the game ain't any less borked and this change does nothing to help. I'll stay salty like Planters' Mr. Peanut, thanks. I am a minotaur. Beware my poop.
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:43:00 - [10] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta. Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment? Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen. Alright, done QQing. Thoughts? Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded. Wrong. If you are like me, and are a mediocre player playing with fellow mediocre players and get matched up against a team of super pro-proto/officers spammers who cook grenades and land them right at your feet, Grenades will be an issue no matter what you are doing. Hunkered in? Pro-player uses cooked grenade/nanohive combo. It's super effective! Trying to get from A to B? Pro-player uses cooked grenade. It's super effective! Just engaged Pro-player in glorious 1v1 and get the upper hand? Pro-player uses fallback/cooked grenade combo. It's super effective! Defending a non-entrenched point? Pro-player uses cooked grenade/nanohive combo! It's super effective! Yeah, you may say "but Minotaur, that's matchmaking/teambuilding/Cow's Mu not being functional! It's not the grenades fault!" You'd be right, but the game ain't any less borked and this change does nothing to help. I'll stay salty like Planters' Mr. Peanut, thanks. Well it's a good thing I'm not a mediocre player like you! AVERT YOUR EYES!
Regnier Feros Pielords 774	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:47:00 - [11] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm now putting fused nade fits on all my scouts. Just for popping other scouts when I see them XD KILL ALL SCOTMANS!!!!!!!! LongLiveQueenZarZar
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:48:00 - [12] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm now putting fused nade fits on all my scouts. Just for popping other scouts when I see them XD KILL ALL SCOTMANS!!!!!!!! I've always loved the Thukker and Fused. With decent damage now, I'll run them far more often. I call them panic nades for a reason. AHHHH BLAP +50 Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Regnier Feros Pielords 774	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:52:00 - [13] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm now putting fused nade fits on all my scouts. Just for popping other scouts when I see them XD KILL ALL SCOTMANS!!!!!!!! I've always loved the Thukker and Fused. With decent damage now, I'll run them far more often. I call them panic nades for a reason. AHHHH BLAP +50 I need to get a district, I would love to 1v1 alot of players for the fun of it LongLiveQueenZarZar
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 18:58:00 - [14] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: We're now back to the "stack HP or get one-shotted" meta. Seriously, who wanted grenades to be this powerful at such low investment? Logiing for my squad is going to be a lot harder since most of my corpmates are Galmandos with 500 armor. I'll be repping them under fire and poof, they're dead because cooked grenades > guns. I'll have to stop using biotics and Ewar on my logi and take the boring path of only worrying about HP and regen. Alright, done QQing. Thoughts? Grenades shouldn't be an issue unless you're staying in one place for a long time. If you're camping a spot on the map, you deserve to get naded. Mediocre Planters Mr. Peanut impression. Well it's a good thing I'm not a mediocre player like you! Indeed. And it's a ~~bad~~ good thing that most of the playerbase seems to be like me. Average DUST player: -3 Pro-DUST player: over 9000 Good to know that CCP has the right players interests at heart. Somebody has to feed the pro-players kills, after all. I am a minotaur. Beware my poop.
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 794	Posted - 2015.09.24 19:00:00 - [15] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Well it's a good thing I'm not a mediocre player like you! I've noticed quite often how the Dust playerbase often resembles U.S. politics and it's economy. "As long as I'm well off, I don't care if anyone else isn't." It's an inherent effect of a sandbox, I know, but we can't continue catering to the veteran meta players who make up a tiny portion of the population. Most of us are mediocre players such as myself who play video games as a hobby/stress reliever. [75.2m SP] "I bet Sazu's great in an argument, since he makes so many points." -CeeJ Mantis -Logibro / Minmando-
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.09.24 19:19:00 - [16] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Well it's a good thing I'm not a mediocre player like you! I've noticed quite often how the Dust playerbase often resembles U.S. politics and it's economy. "As long as I'm well off, I don't care if anyone else isn't." It's an inherent effect of a sandbox, I know, but we can't continue catering to the veteran meta players who make up a tiny portion of the population. Most of us are mediocre players such as myself who play video games as a hobby/stress reliever. I play Dust as a hobby/stress reliever too. I'm just better at it than most. You don't have to devote your life to a game to be good at it, although time and experience certainly help. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 782	Posted - 2015.09.24 21:22:00 - [17] - Quote Where exactly did it say all grenades will do 600 damage? What ratatai said was they would all do the same but he didn't give a number for it he just said the same damage.
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 794	Posted - 2015.09.24 21:51:00 - [18] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Where exactly did it say all grenades will do 600 damage? What ratatai said was they would all do the same but he didn't give a number for it he just said the same damage. It's in the Grenades tab in the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet is linked in Rattati's new thread. [75.2m SP] "I bet Sazu's great in an argument, since he makes so many points." -CeeJ Mantis -Logibro / Minmando-
Regnier Feros Pielords 774	Posted - 2015.09.24 22:07:00 - [19] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Where exactly did it say all grenades will do 600 damage? What ratatai said was they would all do the same but he didn't give a number for it he just said the same damage. It's in the Grenades tab in the spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kGcB-k3KTDbNMlVVdRuTJSbk_4gh45xa4ihfIynxUkQ/edit?pli=1#gid=139334609. +1 LongLiveQueenZarZar
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.09.24 22:12:00 - [20] - Quote 95% of my fits will be one shotted by nades. Regressed to blueberry level.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 931	Posted - 2015.09.24 22:41:00 - [21] - Quote I think the nades buff is the element of the hotfix I like the least; Standardising the damage is a good idea, but why not follow the precedent made in the swarm launcher changes and drop the proto damage down a bit and then bring the other two tiers up to that new amount? As it stands, any grenade will OHK the vast majority of suits it is deployed against, and I don't think a splash weapon should be that potent across all tiers. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.09.24 22:41:00 - [22] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm now putting fused nade fits on all my scouts. Just for popping other scouts when I see them XD KILL ALL SCOTMANS!!!!!!!! Assuming you can find them. A damped Scotsman is scary. One that isn't... Well... YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
axis alpha ScReWeD uP InC 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 22:55:00 - [23] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: VAHZZ wrote: 20XX - Respec or Die. FTFY Adapt, Respec, Die, QQ. Endless cycle. I feel bad for peep who have to respec every time there is a major hf Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu. Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!

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