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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

This is another itchy (but not serious issue to get worked up about) example of a device in Dust being designed to operate in a way that is boldly different from what fps players conventionally use this "type" for.
The LAV is not the classic fps-jeep in our other games. It's NOT intended to be an engagement-vehicle like an HAV or DS.

It was intended (still is...) to use SPEED to run a arc-course around one side of the map and still reach a destination faster than it would take a foot player who's running a straight path to the target. The speed is what's supposed to enable it to AVIOD getting a hit (something the HAV can't do, if it tried traveling to the target), and speed again is supposed to enable it to ESCAPE more effectively (than a DS could when it comes under attack).

But that's all. NO front-door combat-jeep antics. NO real assault intentions (at least not all by itself, alone).

In the earlier months of game release, players seemed to understand and use the LAV superbly---and there were a good handful of interesting vehicle mods that were useless on large vehicles, but seemed tailor-made for use on LAVs (by giving them the essential 10% or 15% ehp or velocity boost to survive the incidental splash damage from some shnook enemy player who thought she could score a direct hit. But NO Lav -driver back then ever drove carelessly enough right down main-streets to get a full-load of pie in their face. (Not the way we see today's players tending to drive them...)

The Devs are still trying to get that idea into our minds, by referring to this vehicle with "Recon" terminology in their descriptions and Loadout variants.

The Baloch is the one that's more willing to trade SOME of its speed for a tad more safety, but... the object with LAVs is "stay off of Main St and Hollywood Blvd---you're supposed to skirt the map and arc in on your target so quickly from a side-alley that Sheriff Dobey couldn't bring his guns on you quick enough.

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Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 738	Posted - 2015.09.21 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote So if anyone hasn't noticed shield based lav's are terrible, there practically a coffin with wheels . 600sh 450am Seriously who came up with the numbers. You cannot take a single hit from any kinda Av, now before you start saying why are you going around In a unfitted lav ba. The simply answer I don't because it is just plain suicide. Now to compete with Amor based we need more shield, its that simple I'm not asking for a miracle just some balancing Maybe something like 1200sh 350am Do you agree? If so please comment or like this post (not a like farm lol) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.09.21 17:34:00 - [2] - Quote It would break fitted Lavs, 2500hp saga iis would roam the land. just fit a militia heavy shield extender and a pg upgrade if needed Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto One V One Emperor
Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 738	Posted - 2015.09.21 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: It would break fitted Lavs, 2500hp saga iis would roam the land. just fit a militia heavy shield extender and a pg upgrade if needed So, we have 2500 Amor lav's roaming, yet they still get destroyed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.09.21 18:18:00 - [4] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So if anyone hasn't noticed shield based lav's are terrible, there practically a coffin with wheels . 600sh 450am Seriously who came up with the numbers. You cannot take a single hit from any kinda Av, now before you start saying why are you going around In a unfitted lav ba. The simply answer I don't because it is just plain suicide. Now to compete with Amor based we need more shield, its that simple I'm not asking for a miracle just some balancing Maybe something like 1200sh 350am Do you agree? If so please comment or like this post (not a like farm lol) are you kidding me? have you got a saga-II? you can't complain that a low level vehicle has low stats, upgrade it and voila! the stats increase my saga is not fully upgraded and has 1919 shield with a builtin module to deflect 60% of shield damage, it's untouchable when that's on. YouTube!
Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 738	Posted - 2015.09.21 18:23:00 - [5] - Quote Yes I have the saga II , your comparing the advanced lav to the basic really Its nothing special https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.09.21 18:28:00 - [6] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Yes I have the saga II , your comparing the advanced lav to the basic really Its nothing special You're complaining that the basic LAV has to little base HP. Basic LAV is purely transport. You want some buffer and health on it? Skill into it, get the Saga-II and put some modules on it. We changed the LAV's to make skilling into the more effective, and to reduce the viability of cheap LAV's. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 738	Posted - 2015.09.21 18:51:00 - [7] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Yes I have the saga II , your comparing the advanced lav to the basic really Its nothing special You're complaining that the basic LAV has to little base HP. Basic LAV is purely transport. You want some buffer and health on it? Skill into it, get the Saga-II and put some modules on it. We changed the LAV's to make skilling into the more effective, and to reduce the viability of cheap LAV's. Ok then what about dropships, they are purely transport so why do they have double the hp of a lav https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Vulpes Dolosus Fatal Absolution 3	Posted - 2015.09.21 19:45:00 - [8] - Quote Lol at people defending the current LAVs. These are probably the same numbskulls that petitioned to get them nerfed so hard because a heavy stepped out and touched them inappropriately and they were too bitter to consider using a swarm or much less AV grenades to kill it. LAVs are a joke now. There's no point to fitting them at all, even the Saga II. There are literally no combat capable fits and they're essentially a wasted asset. Of course I don't want to bring back the days of LLAVs with tank-like ehp, but to say LAVs are 'fine' is asinine. To appease everyone, I'd suggest bringing back Scout LAVs, but make them more combat ready: more health, weapon bonuses (turret rotation speed, range/missile velocity), and their old acceleration bonuses. This way, there are expensive usable light ATTACK vehicles, not disposable heavy taxis. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 30	Posted - 2015.10.23 13:37:00 - [9] - Quote mmmmmmmmmm, you're all saying you want more hp in lav's, cause they are too easy to destroy, well funny how i've taken on many the last week that my swarms hit (PROTO swarms, prof5, damage mods being used) and it will take TWO reloads to take it out, for those of you who cannot count thats 9 volleys of missiles to destroy it, and yes they all hit, i'm talking about stationary lav's, so they appear to be too powerful now, again, or some enterprising **** has worked out a glitch, ADS are easier to kill than the saga these days so well done, very well done (sarcasm) too busy playing
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.23 13:56:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Yes I have the saga II , your comparing the advanced lav to the basic really Its nothing special You're complaining that the basic LAV has to little base HP. Basic LAV is purely transport. You want some buffer and health on it? Skill into it, get the Saga-II and put some modules on it. We changed the LAV's to make skilling into the more effective, and to reduce the viability of cheap LAV's. No amount of skill points can make LAVs better, (Saga-II) is the exception. My vehicle character can barely fit any buffer on a LAV, I think LAVs need a small buff but not the saga-II Wanna play eve?

Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.23 15:05:00 - [11] - Quote Saga shields are terrible. I can usually one shot them with an Allotek PC CEO of T-W-L YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514 Twitter- @LD3514
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 691	Posted - 2015.10.23 18:19:00 - [12] - Quote This is another itchy (but not serious issue to get worked up about) example of a device in Dust being designed to operate in a way that is boldly different from what fps players conventionally use this "type" for. The LAV is not the classic fps-jeep in our other games. It's NOT intended to be an engagement-vehicle like an HAV or DS. It was intended (still is...) to use SPEED to run a arc-course around one side of the map and still reach a destination faster than it would take a foot player who's running a straight path to the target. The speed is what's supposed to enable it to AVIOD getting a hit (something the HAV can't do, if it tried traveling to the target), and speed again is supposed to enable it to ESCAPE more effectively (than a DS could when it comes under attack). But that's all. NO front-door combat-jeep antics. NO real assault intentions (at least not all by itself, alone). In the earlier months of game release, players seemed to understand and use the LAV superbly---and there were a good handful of interesting vehicle mods that were useless on large vehicles, but seemed tailor-made to give LAVs (by giving them the essential 10% or 15% ehp or velocity boost to survive the incidental splash damage from some shnook who thought she could score a direct hit. But NO Lav -driver back then ever drove carelessly enough right down main-streets to get a full-load of pie in their face. (Not the way we see today's players tending to drive them...) The Devs are still trying to get that idea into our minds, by referring to this vehicle with "Recon" terminology in their descriptions and Loadout variants. The Baloch is the one that's more willing to trade SOME of its speed for a tad more safety, but... the object with LAVs is "stay off of Main St and Hollywood Blvd---you're supposed to skirt the map and arc in on your target so quickly from a side-alley that Sheriff Dobey couldn't bring his guns on you quick enough. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Natalia's P3nis Fake Ancient Exiles. 2.0 227	Posted - 2015.10.23 18:37:00 - [13] - Quote I wish someone would touch me inappropriately.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 464	Posted - 2015.10.23 19:04:00 - [14] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: It would break fitted Lavs, 2500hp saga iis would roam the land. just fit a militia heavy shield extender and a pg upgrade if needed Already achieved by me :P "pocket tank" 2512 sHP... No turret. Great as a ferry tho Edit: Ahhhhh saga II... Nvm Forever ADS. Best role.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.23 19:08:00 - [15] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: It would break fitted Lavs, 2500hp saga iis would roam the land. just fit a militia heavy shield extender and a pg upgrade if needed So, we have 2500 Amor lav's roaming, yet they still get destroyed Hast thou ever riden a Saga II? *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Gh0st Blade KnightKiller's inc. 53	Posted - 2015.10.23 20:53:00 - [16] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: This is another itchy (but not serious issue to get worked up about) example of a device in Dust being designed to operate in a way that is boldly different from what fps players conventionally use this "type" for. The LAV is not the classic fps-jeep in our other games. It's NOT intended to be an engagement-vehicle like an HAV or DS. It was intended (still is...) to use SPEED to run a arc-course around one side of the map and still reach a destination faster than it would take a foot player who's running a straight path to the target. The speed is what's supposed to enable it to AVIOD getting a hit (something the HAV can't do, if it tried traveling to the target), and speed again is supposed to enable it to ESCAPE more effectively (than a DS could when it comes under attack). But that's all. NO front-door combat-jeep antics. NO real assault intentions (at least not all by itself, alone). In the earlier months of game release, players seemed to understand and use the LAV superbly---and there were a good handful of interesting vehicle mods that were useless on large vehicles, but seemed tailor-made for use on LAVs (by giving them the essential 10% or 15% ehp or velocity boost to survive the incidental splash damage from some shnook enemy player who thought she could score a direct hit. But NO Lav -driver back then ever drove carelessly enough right down main-streets to get a full-load of pie in their face. (Not the way we see today's players tending to drive them...) The Devs are still trying to get that idea into our minds, by referring to this vehicle with "Recon" terminology in their descriptions and Loadout variants. The Baloch is the one that's more willing to trade SOME of its speed for a tad more safety, but... the object with LAVs is "stay off of Main St and Hollywood Blvd---you're supposed to skirt the map and arc in on your target so quickly from a side-alley that Sheriff Dobey couldn't bring his guns on you quick enough. LOL my CEO and I used a saga and a particle accelerator to kill an adv rail tank. They can be combat viable but it takes a bit of skills and good driving and combat skills. I'm Casper the friendly teabagger
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.23 20:57:00 - [17] - Quote Fit mosules to your freaking vehicles. Newsflash: i can oneshot an untanked methana with ADV forge guns. Fit modules to your vehicles. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Vulpes Dolosus Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.24 16:05:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Fit mosules to your freaking vehicles. Newsflash: i can oneshot an untanked methana with ADV forge guns. Fit modules to your vehicles. Even the best fits with proto mods and lvl4 fitting skills only bring them to what they were unfitted pre-nerf. Go to protofits and link me one viable LAV fit. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.24 16:15:00 - [19] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Fit mosules to your freaking vehicles. Newsflash: i can oneshot an untanked methana with ADV forge guns. Fit modules to your vehicles. Even the best fits with proto mods and lvl4 fitting skills only bring them to what they were unfitted pre-nerf. Go to protofits and link me one viable LAV fit. The only half decent fit is a Saga II Wanna play eve?
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 869	Posted - 2015.10.24 18:00:00 - [20] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Yes I have the saga II , your comparing the advanced lav to the basic really Its nothing special You're complaining that the basic LAV has to little base HP. Basic LAV is purely transport. You want some buffer and health on it? Skill into it, get the Saga-II and put some modules on it. We changed the LAV's to make skilling into the more effective, and to reduce the viability of cheap LAV's. What he's saying is when you put a mlt baloch next to a mlt saga the stats aren't balanced at all. An mlt armor lav can take at least 1 mlt plc hit. A shield lav cant even take 1 hit without instantly dying. At least buff the shield so they can survive 1 unskilled mlt plasma cannon shot.



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