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Devadander Woodgrain Atari 665	Posted - 2015.09.12 15:43:00 - [31] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Patrilicus wrote: OK. . Now could someone explain how things work in the real world? You want something good, you pay money for it. You want broken garbage, you check the curb alerts on Craigslist. Too complex? Lol, that completely ignored all the people who spent literally years funding development and got a broken piece of garbage in return. If you paid someone to paint you a picture, and they came back with vomit on a dropcloth, would you commission them again? This isn't a one time payout kind of game. With no subscription model, CCP relies on the trickle. To fix your analogy: Say I wanted a house remodel, so I pay the material fee. Three weeks in I want different countertops. Then something doesn't look the way I saw it in my head, so I ask them to change it. By now, the cost has risen and the contractors want more. I decide it's not what I had been dreaming and stop paying. Now I'm stuck with subfloors showing, and raw mud walls. Should I be mad at the contractors? Was it my fault? Come on man, its not rocket surgery. You didn't fix my analogy, you just decided to posit your own that doesn't work for the situation you are trying to compare to. The more accurate fixing of my analogy would be: If you paid an artist to create a painting, they took the money, said they were working on a spectacular new method of painting, then made you wait for six months before presenting you with the vomit cloth while showing you a video of them making a far more attractive painting that looks surprisingly like the one you originally asked them for but they demand more money to finish it. I wish my business had customers like you. I could promise them the trip, only take them far enough to see the destination, and bring them back while telling them it would cost an extra 10k on top of their original fee and they "might" get to see that polar bear they paid to hunt. Have you spent a dime since Rattati took the helm? Can you see how your money might actually make a difference now? Before, yes. We were limited by the console. (And still are) Now, he does what he can within the limits. And the limiting factor is money. (Crew come with cash, see manhours) Can I change your mind? Probably not. Will some read this and throw em five bucks? I sure as hell hope so. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 31	Posted - 2015.09.12 15:45:00 - [32] - Quote Devadander wrote: It's not a new product each time. It's the same project we have been invested in since June 2012. I don't expect something different, I just want progress. The fact that people refuse to pay even a fiver each month, then come here to moan, is literally bitching about what you got for free. And let's be honest. Since fanfest and the changing of the guard. Rattati has accomplished more with less than the entire cycle before. If we funded this new era better a port could become reality. To each their own. For me, its dust till they pull the plug. And again, you are ignoring a fact that is crucial to the matter: Many of the long term players spent a slew of money on this game because of the promises CCP made. The game has been out for more than 30 months, so anyone who paid more than $150 is good on funding, and I paid that BEFORE WE EVEN GOT OUT OF CLOSED BETA. I am certainly not the only one, in fact amongst the people I started playing with I was considered a poor for not investing more. So no, CCP already got years worth of development budget from people like me, and only a fool would throw good morning hey after bad. If CCP wants my money for dust again, I want to see actual improvements in the game, and real progress instead of monetization options and skins. Flatly, I will never spend money on this game until it can run at a stable 30 FPS, and an announcement is made on the future of the game, because I think this game goes in the bin when the ps3 does, and any money spent now is better spent as kindling for a fire, at least then I get something back. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.09.12 15:46:00 - [33] - Quote ZED Regent wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: ZED Regent wrote: Patrilicus wrote: OK. . Now could someone explain how things work in the real world? hmmmmm.... let me see.... You pay some to get some... Obvious.... That's right. Go to your local car dealership, hand them your budgeted amount, and just take what they give you. Sounds legit. You forgot your brain on the way in... I've seen more intelligent comments from you... Lord, when? There are four main races in DUST514: The Amarr, bla, bla, and bla.
ZED Regent RabbitSwarm 365	Posted - 2015.09.12 15:51:00 - [34] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: ZED Regent wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: ZED Regent wrote: Patrilicus wrote: OK. . Now could someone explain how things work in the real world? hmmmmm.... let me see.... You pay some to get some... Obvious.... That's right. Go to your local car dealership, hand them your budgeted amount, and just take what they give you. Sounds legit. You forgot your brain on the way in... I've seen more intelligent comments from you... Lord, when? Uh... got me... Banana !
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 665	Posted - 2015.09.12 15:55:00 - [35] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: It's not a new product each time. It's the same project we have been invested in since June 2012. I don't expect something different, I just want progress. The fact that people refuse to pay even a fiver each month, then come here to moan, is literally bitching about what you got for free. And let's be honest. Since fanfest and the changing of the guard. Rattati has accomplished more with less than the entire cycle before. If we funded this new era better a port could become reality. To each their own. For me, its dust till they pull the plug. And again, you are ignoring a fact that is crucial to the matter: Many of the long term players spent a slew of money on this game because of the promises CCP made. The game has been out for more than 30 months, so anyone who paid more than $150 is good on funding, and I paid that BEFORE WE EVEN GOT OUT OF CLOSED BETA. I am certainly not the only one, in fact amongst the people I started playing with I was considered a poor for not investing more. So no, CCP already got years worth of development budget from people like me, and only a fool would throw good morning hey after bad. If CCP wants my money for dust again, I want to see actual improvements in the game, and real progress instead of monetization options and skins. Flatly, I will never spend money on this game until it can run at a stable 30 FPS, and an announcement is made on the future of the game, because I think this game goes in the bin when the ps3 does, and any money spent now is better spent as kindling for a fire, at least then I get something back. How long has it been since you had a round on dust? Since they did the battle server change I've been running full frame rate, and only stutter in gal facility. I've done all the tuning that's suggested (and then some plus uber network speed) and it barely helped until the last change. I was maybe buying 20$ a month before then. Now I'm back to weekly because I can actually enjoy battles again. With the Ratman crowdsourcing ideas for a new hotfix I'm looking forward to more improvements now that CPM/fanfest is done and settled. And yeah, I've been funding this since beta. Seeing as I have been well entertained, I feel it money well spent. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 31	Posted - 2015.09.12 15:56:00 - [36] - Quote Devadander wrote: Have you spent a dime since Rattati took the helm? Can you see how your money might actually make a difference now? Before, yes. We were limited by the console. (And still are) Now, he does what he can within the limits. And the limiting factor is money. (Crew come with cash, see manhours) Can I change your mind? Probably not. Will some read this and throw em five bucks? I sure as hell hope so. I think I bought 40k of Aurum since then, and there was some particular reason, although it escapes me now. I'm of the opinion that no amount of money will get us to what CCP originally sold this game as, and that is part of why my wallet remains shut. Rattati can polish the data as hard as he likes, but without an announcement of what happens when the ps3 goes under there is literally no point in giving them money, least of all in the hopes of a port. They have had more than a year to produce some results on that front, including soix months of my funding it while I thought I was funding dust. If CCP wants to port dust they can do it on their dime from now on, and if it ever gets released and is not crap, I will reward them for it, but not before that. CCP Shanghai has zero credibility in my eyes, and I strongly advise people to hold their bank until they earn it. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 665	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:00:00 - [37] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Have you spent a dime since Rattati took the helm? Can you see how your money might actually make a difference now? Before, yes. We were limited by the console. (And still are) Now, he does what he can within the limits. And the limiting factor is money. (Crew come with cash, see manhours) Can I change your mind? Probably not. Will some read this and throw em five bucks? I sure as hell hope so. I think I bought 40k of Aurum since then, and there was some particular reason, although it escapes me now. I'm of the opinion that no amount of money will get us to what CCP originally sold this game as, and that is part of why my wallet remains shut. Rattati can polish the data as hard as he likes, but without an announcement of what happens when the ps3 goes under there is literally no point in giving them money, least of all in the hopes of a port. They have had more than a year to produce some results on that front, including soix months of my funding it while I thought I was funding dust. If CCP wants to port dust they can do it on their dime from now on, and if it ever gets released and is not crap, I will reward them for it, but not before that. CCP Shanghai has zero credibility in my eyes, and I strongly advise people to hold their bank until they earn it. With what I've read, each project funds itself. So if we hope for Dust to port, it needs to be profitable to port it. Meaning holding cash till it ports literally kills the chance of a port. That's a lot of ports in one sentiment xD Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 31	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:06:00 - [38] - Quote Devadander wrote: Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: It's not a new product each time. It's the same project we have been invested in since June 2012. I don't expect something different, I just want progress. The fact that people refuse to pay even a fiver each month, then come here to moan, is literally bitching about what you got for free. And let's be honest. Since fanfest and the changing of the guard. Rattati has accomplished more with less than the entire cycle before. If we funded this new era better a port could become reality. To each their own. For me, its dust till they pull the plug. And again, you are ignoring a fact that is crucial to the matter: Many of the long term players spent a slew of money on this game because of the promises CCP made. The game has been out for more than 30 months, so anyone who paid more than $150 is good on funding, and I paid that BEFORE WE EVEN GOT OUT OF CLOSED BETA. I am certainly not the only one, in fact amongst the people I started playing with I was considered a poor for not investing more. So no, CCP already got years worth of development budget from people like me, and only a fool would throw good morning hey after bad. If CCP wants my money for dust again, I want to see actual improvements in the game, and real progress instead of monetization options and skins. Flatly, I will never spend money on this game until it can run at a stable 30 FPS, and an announcement is made on the future of the game, because I think this game goes in the bin when the ps3 does, and any money spent now is better spent as kindling for a fire, at least then I get something back. How long has it been since you had a round on dust? Since they did the battle server change I've been running full frame rate, and only stutter in gal facility. I've done all the tuning that's suggested (and then some plus uber network speed) and it barely helped until the last change. I was maybe buying 20$ a month before then. Now I'm back to weekly because I can actually enjoy battles again. With the Ratman crowdsourcing ideas for a new hotfix I'm looking forward to more improvements now that CPM/fanfest is done and settled. And yeah, I've been funding this since beta. Seeing as I have been well entertained, I feel it money well spent. Played some matches yesterday, memory leak is still around. Still must reset before PC battles, and after a couple of matches of FW game performance goes right in the toilet. Unless you want to play on 420p, at which point I might as well fire up some Battlefront on my old ps2 instead. Tanks still glitch through the large socket if you get there too soon after the start of the match, still fall through the map on Iron delta if you check the map screen in a tank from the ground spawn. Missiles still kill dropship gunners, and of course invisible swarmers are now a thing again. Don't even get me started on the lag facility, that it is still in the rotation is a criminal development mistake. So yeah, the game isn't getting better, and despite the claims of the PS3 not having enough memory, they are still cranking out new skins instead of reducing useless content to try and improve game performance. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 665	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:07:00 - [39] - Quote Press, you should message me with your main and run some matches. I'll toss you some goodies and we can see about your 30fps wishes. If you still hate it, fine. At least I tried. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 665	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:09:00 - [40] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: It's not a new product each time. It's the same project we have been invested in since June 2012. I don't expect something different, I just want progress. The fact that people refuse to pay even a fiver each month, then come here to moan, is literally bitching about what you got for free. And let's be honest. Since fanfest and the changing of the guard. Rattati has accomplished more with less than the entire cycle before. If we funded this new era better a port could become reality. To each their own. For me, its dust till they pull the plug. And again, you are ignoring a fact that is crucial to the matter: Many of the long term players spent a slew of money on this game because of the promises CCP made. The game has been out for more than 30 months, so anyone who paid more than $150 is good on funding, and I paid that BEFORE WE EVEN GOT OUT OF CLOSED BETA. I am certainly not the only one, in fact amongst the people I started playing with I was considered a poor for not investing more. So no, CCP already got years worth of development budget from people like me, and only a fool would throw good morning hey after bad. If CCP wants my money for dust again, I want to see actual improvements in the game, and real progress instead of monetization options and skins. Flatly, I will never spend money on this game until it can run at a stable 30 FPS, and an announcement is made on the future of the game, because I think this game goes in the bin when the ps3 does, and any money spent now is better spent as kindling for a fire, at least then I get something back. How long has it been since you had a round on dust? Since they did the battle server change I've been running full frame rate, and only stutter in gal facility. I've done all the tuning that's suggested (and then some plus uber network speed) and it barely helped until the last change. I was maybe buying 20$ a month before then. Now I'm back to weekly because I can actually enjoy battles again. With the Ratman crowdsourcing ideas for a new hotfix I'm looking forward to more improvements now that CPM/fanfest is done and settled. And yeah, I've been funding this since beta. Seeing as I have been well entertained, I feel it money well spent. Played some matches yesterday, memory leak is still around. Still must reset before PC battles, and after a couple of matches of FW game performance goes right in the toilet. Unless you want to play on 420p, at which point I might as well fire up some Battlefront on my old ps2 instead. Tanks still glitch through the large socket if you get there too soon after the start of the match, still fall through the map on Iron delta if you check the map screen in a tank from the ground spawn. Missiles still kill dropship gunners, and of course invisible swarmers are now a thing again. Don't even get me started on the lag facility, that it is still in the rotation is a criminal development mistake. So yeah, the game isn't getting better, and despite the claims of the PS3 not having enough memory, they are still cranking out new skins instead of reducing useless content to try and improve game performance. Pc and fw are still loaded with crap players that run web tethers to win. I play afw cfw a lot and know the pain. I ring for pc as well and based on who you play, you can guess your level of lag... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~

Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 32	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:36:00 - [41] - Quote Devadander wrote: Press, you should message me with your main and run some matches. I'll toss you some goodies and we can see about your 30fps wishes. If you still hate it, fine. At least I tried. Why!do people struggle to figure out who my main is? Look at my corp name, look at my signature, I thought I was being open about who I am, clearly not though. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 666	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:42:00 - [42] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Press, you should message me with your main and run some matches. I'll toss you some goodies and we can see about your 30fps wishes. If you still hate it, fine. At least I tried. Why!do people struggle to figure out who my main is? Look at my corp name, look at my signature, I thought I was being open about who I am, clearly not though. I figured as much, but you were posting with press so I figured you wanted anonymity. Idk. But I meant it as I typed it. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 32	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:52:00 - [43] - Quote I'll be on this evening, just about to head out and kill some wildlife. Shoot me a message around 8 pm est and you should find me online. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 666	Posted - 2015.09.12 16:58:00 - [44] - Quote Press Attache wrote: I'll be on this evening, just about to head out and kill some wildlife. Shoot me a message around 8 pm est and you should find me online. Word o7 Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:07:00 - [45] - Quote Devadander wrote: No Tesfa, I'm just saying, if every player bought at least five bucks of aur a month: this would be a different game... Kittenshit. If CCP thought this game was worth developing further on the PS3, this would be a different game. The company would commit the resources to reap an expected reward. It's obvious that given the existing codebase, the existing platform late in its lifecycle, the industry and public reviews of the product and the alienation of so much of the playerbase that they've lost their opportunity on the PS3. If CCP estimated that there was a strong possibility of return on dollars invested they would continue to invest in DUST on the PS3. But they don't, and whatever you and others choose to spend on the game won't change the decisions made in Reyk one whit. Go ahead and blame the players but i blame the string of mind-bogglingly awful decisions made by CCP. In my opinion you're being milked, but we're all adults here and being milked can feel good, so maybe not such a bad investment after all. PSN: RationalSpark
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:15:00 - [46] - Quote I've already spent a pretty penny. Now, I have other things to worry about. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Starlight Burner Black Screen Adaptation. 499	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:31:00 - [47] - Quote Sorry Devadander, but your view of how to go about change in DUST514 now, is wrong from a long term customer standpoint. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
ZED Regent RabbitSwarm 370	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:39:00 - [48] - Quote If nobody spended a dime on Dust than the servers would have been disconnected a long time ago... I understand why people are dissatisfied with ccp, but without money the story really ends. Even when it's named F2P , dev's expect a certain revenue for their work.... And yes.... framerate issues, bugs, glitches... but i still love this game and that's why i play it and now and then pay for it... How about a port you say ? I can't imagine that even Rattati didn't ask Hillmar about it... The silence shed a tear Banana !
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 667	Posted - 2015.09.12 17:39:00 - [49] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Sorry Devadander, but your view of how to go about change in DUST514 now, is wrong from a long term customer standpoint. Had a discussion in a channel this morning with a guy bragging about two years and never spent anything on dust. Left me quite salty and he never did show here... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 20:31:00 - [50] - Quote Devadander wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Sorry Devadander, but your view of how to go about change in DUST514 now, is wrong from a long term customer standpoint. Had a discussion in a channel this morning with a guy bragging about two years and never spent anything on dust. Left me quite salty and he never did show here... for me, that is the polar opposite of what you do. sure it's free but enjoying the services of a game company for 2 years and not put in a little bit is pretty cheap. For the hours of gametime compared to some aaa titles, at leat 5 -10 bucks isn't going to kill you. giving money without reservation is pretty bad. sponging is worse. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati

Asad Thahab-Jabal Incorruptibles 25	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:00:00 - [51] - Quote Devadander wrote: TL:DR Talk is cheap, manhours are not. Want something good for dust? Buy some aur. I am a brigadier. Do you know how much aurum I have shoveled into this game? Something to the tune of $400. More than any one person has any right to spend on a F2P game, but whatever, I got my enjoyment out of the game. If CCP wants me to go back to purchasing aurum weekly then they need to port Dust 514. *Vote with your wallet. No aurum until we get a port.* Addendum: If CCP releases content patches (Uprising 1.9, Warlords 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc.) I will drop $5 in recognition of the work involved in making those patches. Even that is painful to do at times.
Aeon Amadi 12	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:39:00 - [52] - Quote The ultimate chicken or the egg argument. Does CCP earn the revenue to develop the game or does CCP develop the game to earn the revenue? Only the circumstances are entirely set by the players themselves. It is simple, really, if you want the game to survive you have to invest in its survival and this does not just apply to Dust 514 but to all games. Opting out of that investment and then complaining about it is like voting for a President you knew was going to be bad and then complaining that they turned out exactly like you expected. But this same sort of logic stems from the same players who say that specialty is bias and non-usage is ignorance. You just can't win with them and exhausting energy in trying is foolhardy. The only time you should ever bother trying to talk to these people is when what they're saying actually starts to have weight. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:42:00 - [53] - Quote Devadander wrote: Yes, the ps3 has its limits I understand that. What I can't understand is the amount of broke, whiny, smack-talking idiots who show up in every thread. You've all seen them. "I've never spent a dime on dust, and never will till X is fixed.." "I used to buy aur, then the servers got laggy so I stopped." And my personal fave. "I hate this game, I'll never spend anything on it, you are all stupid" yet they show up in every thread, and pubs all day. We are already paying for internet, what's 20$ a month to help make this game better? I pump in 20$ a week.. You know there's a skin you want. You know you want to triple stack boosters. Do it. Throw some money at this FREE game you play all week. I know, some of you are too young to have disposable income. But with all the deep voices I hear daily, there's no excuse for CCP to be running a skeleton crew. Dust is the ultimate sandbox: If we don't care enough to support it, we won't have it. You want racial parity? Cough up some cash. You want new maps? Money talks. You want a bugfix pass? Pay the Piper. You want complex events? Roll out the dough. I've spent far more than I wish to remember on this experience. Same for a few people I know. You're welcome. Now quit being a scrooge and pay the man, see if dust gets better. Or keep being a tighta$$, and good luck finding your dust fix once the lights are out. TL:DR Talk is cheap, manhours are not. Want something good for dust? Buy some aur. js Off to the drugstore to buy a psn card and get my weekly dust fix o7 You do realize that most adults have to pay bills, taxes, buy food and provide for their family right? Even single adults with no children need to get food and pay bills and sh*t. Not everyone has $20 a week or a month to spend on a video game. Besides if they do it comes down to this "Soend $20 on a video game or buy some more food or put gas in the car or put it towards debt or go out with my mates or etc." Life is a bit more important than a video game. Now before you jump down my throat about not supporting Dust, I have donated in the past when I had enough that I could throw away and still provide for my family. Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 714	Posted - 2015.09.12 23:14:00 - [54] - Quote Press Attache wrote: I would rather invest my money on games that are trying to improve instead of just adding shiny trinkets for mouth breathers and fashionistas. aww don't diss destiny like that it's... Ok..... Not really but you know what I mean..... COD? basically any framing game company now that bungie proved you can release a half finished game and release the rest through paid dlc's
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 668	Posted - 2015.09.12 23:15:00 - [55] - Quote My budget is my budget, I don't buy guns or collectable plates, I buy game stuff. ATM dust is the only thing I binge play so I spend here. I'm grown and work for my money. I have a ps4 now but am holding out for Fo4 to get hooked on something else. And will be right back to dust after 2-3 play throughs. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 185	Posted - 2015.09.12 23:32:00 - [56] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Press Attache wrote: Some of us paid CCP during closed beta, and then open beta, and then through release. The fanfestastrophe happened and our wallets went away. I don't believe CCP has earned my money since then, so I pay them nothing. As long as the game looks to die with the ps3, that won't change. CCP did it to themselves by lying to the player base and their recent cash grab while dropping staff levels has not convinced me they are serious about improving the game. I would rather invest my money on games that are trying to improve instead of just adding shiny trinkets for mouth breathers and fashionistas. And out they crawl. Is that the extent of your response? So in your opinion I should keep giving CCP money(above and beyond the hundreds I already spent) even though the game is in decline, has no future, and still has problems that likely won't be resolved before the game get killed? Why? Those of us who paid to get into the closed beta back in 2012, threw money at CCP during 2013, and only stopped giving them cash after it became clear we had been misled should open up their wallets for CCP why? Explain to me why you think this game is worth more of my money when it has no staff and no future? I didn't choose to stop development at the start of 2014 to put staff on a vaporware project, CCP did that. Why should I give them more money to not spend on dust development? Love pointing out the closed beta BS.. Closed Beta began January 10, 2013 not in 2012 and lasted all of 12 days. This had better be an alt because you were born: Date of Birth 2015-08-31 12:41, because you never seen closed beta. No real bearing on the thread, but this game has a like 10 guys maybe, that are active and ARE actually closed Beta vets, so please guys stop leaning on that to give your post credibility. This game is not very old at all. Not even three years yet, but everyday on here I see closed "beta vet" or "played for 4+ years". Just make solid arguments and leave the lies/crutches out. Nothing personal at you Press, just pointing out that this has become almost endemic on here.
CallMeNoName PIXXXIE 80	Posted - 2015.09.13 00:08:00 - [57] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The ultimate chicken or the egg argument. Does CCP earn the revenue to develop the game or does CCP develop the game to earn the revenue? Only the circumstances are entirely set by the players themselves. It is simple, really, if you want the game to survive you have to invest in its survival and this does not just apply to Dust 514 but to all games. Opting out of that investment and then complaining about it is like voting for a President you knew was going to be bad and then complaining that they turned out exactly like you expected. But this same sort of logic stems from the same players who say that specialty is bias and non-usage is ignorance. You just can't win with them and exhausting energy in trying is foolhardy. The only time you should ever bother trying to talk to these people is when what they're saying actually starts to have weight. We've already paid for the game we wanted. All we got were lies and half-assed attempts. We opted out, we will opt out, and we will complain, because we were not given what was promised to us. And guess what? The people that complain are the people that have paid. If we didn't pay, we'd just move on. But we did pay, and we won't pay until change comes. If what we say doesn't have weight, then why should we vote and pay for a president that will only take and not give? You're literally saying "We don't care about you if you don't pay us. We will only take action when you pay us." You can't just ask for money when the game barely even shows promise. You have to show signs of wanting true improvement. So yeah, stop talking and start doing if you want money. Sorry to be so negative, but that's the way it is. "Boy are you not all there in the head" - Jett Itt
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 670	Posted - 2015.09.13 00:10:00 - [58] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Press Attache wrote: Some of us paid CCP during closed beta, and then open beta, and then through release. The fanfestastrophe happened and our wallets went away. I don't believe CCP has earned my money since then, so I pay them nothing. As long as the game looks to die with the ps3, that won't change. CCP did it to themselves by lying to the player base and their recent cash grab while dropping staff levels has not convinced me they are serious about improving the game. I would rather invest my money on games that are trying to improve instead of just adding shiny trinkets for mouth breathers and fashionistas. And out they crawl. Is that the extent of your response? So in your opinion I should keep giving CCP money(above and beyond the hundreds I already spent) even though the game is in decline, has no future, and still has problems that likely won't be resolved before the game get killed? Why? Those of us who paid to get into the closed beta back in 2012, threw money at CCP during 2013, and only stopped giving them cash after it became clear we had been misled should open up their wallets for CCP why? Explain to me why you think this game is worth more of my money when it has no staff and no future? I didn't choose to stop development at the start of 2014 to put staff on a vaporware project, CCP did that. Why should I give them more money to not spend on dust development? Love pointing out the closed beta BS.. Closed Beta began January 10, 2013 not in 2012 and lasted all of 12 days. This had better be an alt because you were born: Date of Birth 2015-08-31 12:41, because you never seen closed beta. No real bearing on the thread, but this game has a like 10 guys maybe, that are active and ARE actually closed Beta vets, so please guys stop leaning on that to give your post credibility. This game is not very old at all. Not even three years yet, but everyday on here I see closed "beta vet" or "played for 4+ years". Just make solid arguments and leave the lies/crutches out. Nothing personal at you Press, just pointing out that this has become almost endemic on here. PS button } dust } information } starts 6/28/2012 1:17pm Lol couldn't resist o7 Baragamos Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 48	Posted - 2015.09.13 02:48:00 - [59] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: Devadander wrote: Press Attache wrote: Some of us paid CCP during closed beta, and then open beta, and then through release. The fanfestastrophe happened and our wallets went away. I don't believe CCP has earned my money since then, so I pay them nothing. As long as the game looks to die with the ps3, that won't change. CCP did it to themselves by lying to the player base and their recent cash grab while dropping staff levels has not convinced me they are serious about improving the game. I would rather invest my money on games that are trying to improve instead of just adding shiny trinkets for mouth breathers and fashionistas. And out they crawl. Is that the extent of your response? So in your opinion I should keep giving CCP money(above and beyond the hundreds I already spent) even though the game is in decline, has no future, and still has problems that likely won't be resolved before the game get killed? Why? Those of us who paid to get into the closed beta back in 2012, threw money at CCP during 2013, and only stopped giving them cash after it became clear we had been misled should open up their wallets for CCP why? Explain to me why you think this game is worth more of my money when it has no staff and no future? I didn't choose to stop development at the start of 2014 to put staff on a vaporware project, CCP did that. Why should I give them more money to not spend on dust development? Love pointing out the closed beta BS.. Closed Beta began January 10, 2013 not in 2012 and lasted all of 12 days. This had better be an alt because you were born: Date of Birth 2015-08-31 12:41, because you never seen closed beta. No real bearing on the thread, but this game has a like 10 guys maybe, that are active and ARE actually closed Beta vets, so please guys stop leaning on that to give your post credibility. This game is not very old at all. Not even three years yet, but everyday on here I see closed "beta vet" or "played for 4+ years". Just make solid arguments and leave the lies/crutches out. Nothing personal at you Press, just pointing out that this has become almost endemic on here. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/GeneralButtNaked That was my old toon, biomassed when I left fatal absolution. As you can see, created the day of the last wipe. And I PAID to get into the closed beta in November of '12, so maybe you don't know many closed beta peeps, but I can think of more than ten right now who are still somewhat active. Those of us who were here near the beginning(I was late to the CBT) are the most loyal whales that CCP could have had, but they took a dump on our commitment. And of course this is an alt, I told you that in the other thread about your subpar stats. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.


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