This makes me think that O.H is not just a group of O-stomping game killers.
Im not sure if I enjoy the worldview consequences of humanized opposition, but I enjoy the fact that you acted like a good person should and mentored those who would otherwise eventually ragequit.

Top corps get a lot of hate and for no real good reason.

Because we play together with other corp mates or top players, and go full try hard and win, we instantly get bashed on for being proto stomping noobs.

In the end, were just playing the game and playing good. Honestly, it's not OUR fault, nor are we bad people for playing to win. Though ever will you get a negative stigma for being a try hard or just better than some of your peers. And this applies to basically anything.

Most of us are good people to begin with.

Honestly don't mind the try harding...Do mind the spawn camping. Seems OH. Skill of God, and AE excel at it. Hack or destroy those spawns, don't farm those same militia guys you just squaded with. We all know the match maker is broken and that games are usually one-sided, so once I see that it is I stop running off new guys. So I don't see why others can't do the same. I love 30/2 games as much as the next guy, but I realize that this game needs the new players more than it needs me. So, going 12/2 in lesser gear is something that does not run off half the other team after a week of playing.

The squading with new players (not noobs as you call them) the is a great thing, but in all honesty, did you read your post...its an ego stroke. Congratulations you gave pocket change to some guys and basked on their adoration. Seems they did more for you than you did for them. Since you are already slowing down playing honestly the best thing you could have done was give them all your assets a move on to another game. One less kid needing stroked and seeing "noobs" goes a long way towards curing a lot of the games ills.

I will try my hardest to exploit this and get into the lower band.

It doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

Lol, there's always one.

One, these were noobs, as that is the very meaning of the word, new player to the game.

Two, I won't deny that it did help my ego. It felt good to be looked up at like that, yet, this applies to every human being on earth. Though while in a squad with them, I do remain humble about it. I don't throw it in their face and make an ass of myself over it.

Three, don't pretend like you hold yourself to a higher standard. What is this, "running off the noobs" you speak of. So a team is losing, are they a team off noobs or a team of experienced players losing because of a lack of diversity in their gear set. There are several reasons for lopsided matches and not all point to noobs.


It's been my experience, as this isn't the first time I've used SF for pub matches, that many players fall into the middle category (a lot of new players don't tend to use the SF). Neither new but not great players. They may have a proto suit and weapon, with several cores upgraded. But they lack the field diversity a lot of the pro players have.

That's what wins matches, diversity. Sure one guy can run a proto heavy, but a team of proto heavies is going to get stomped by literally everything else on the outside. If they don't have roles outside that to acclimate themselves to the changing dynamics of the battle then they aren't going to win the fight. They will be at a severe disadvantage.


Anyways man, when I started playing this game, isk was a HUGE issue for me. They greatly appreciated the isk and the sound advice. They enjoyed a win and the team work. While I understand the opposing team didn't enjoy getting beat what am I to do.

And in all honestly, I started this game when there was no matchmaking, and check this out, I'M STILL HERE. This argument that they get stomped and quit just doesn't work for me. While some do, because the game is too hard, other persevere and stick with it.

You talk around the issue here....

You started in easy mode. Everyone at or near the same level and no officer gear. These guys are averaging 50 million skill point differences from their opposition. Not to mention a 250 million + ISK gap. Glad you could stay with when it was easy....
Again, ABOUT YOU. You seem to be missing the point there.

Again read the post man, you want a cookie or something because you squaded with some newer players? All I read was a guy telling US what HE did. If you want to help make the game better do that everyday for a couple months and look up the "very definition of the word" Noobs as you put it. It does not mean what you think it does. In any event at least you got half of the spirit right. Help new players so the game does not get any more stagnant than it already is. Just don't expect people to want to hear you brag about it in the GD boards.

This makes me think that O.H is not just a group of O-stomping game killers.
Im not sure if I enjoy the worldview consequences of humanized opposition, but I enjoy the fact that you acted like a good person should and mentored those who would otherwise eventually ragequit.

Good person?

This guy joined a Low Mu squad via squadfinder with the expressed purpose of playing against Low Mu opposition. And what does he do? He fields the single most broken item in the entire game against that Low Mu opposition. How many MLT Swarm launchers do you think it takes to pop a Madrugar gv.0? Best of all, once he's had his fill of farming newbros, he comes here to brag about his exploits, pound chest and play the "good guy" hero. :: slow clap ::

Good people don't drive Blaster Maddies.

... yet here people are making a huge deal of it

It's been a while since I took a training squad out. I know what I intend to do after work. Better than mindlessly grinding matches if you get ones that listen and cooperate.

Honestly I read the post as less of an ego stroke and more a story of what we need to see more of in order to retain more new players. Those players that were gadping and going "woooow" are more likely to gut out the early hell months precisely because they saw what they become later if they gut it out.

They also see what it's like to have one of the walking nightmares in any game mode actively assisting THEM directly rather than hitting them like a bulldozer on a house of cards.

So rather than call tebu gan out for an ego stroke, I'm going to golf clap and follow the example again. We may disagree routinely on things, but this is an activity I can find no fault in even if he is ego stroking.

Bluntly I could give a f**k less if he is or not. Results and NPE enhancing behavior is only good for the game.

Let's assume your heroic tale and tales like it inspire others to follow in your footsteps. What do you think would happen to the Low Mu queue over time?

I do think it a huge deal that we protect our newbros, and I think that this hole should be plugged ASAP. Not everyone would exploit the hole as ... "gently" as you did.

Not seeing an exploit, doesn't sound like this is something that can be manipulated easily, nor controlled easily seeing as to do it over and over your squad can't change.

You're also suggesting this is something that others can do - this was a one-off example of what *can* happen every now and then - I believe the OP actually said it was random. Why don't you test what percentage of squad-found games you can play across ten battles that are low-mu (if you can even measure which are the low-mu ones) before talking about plugging holes (lol @ double entendre BTW)

And if others started doing it? Well now you got a 3 "noob" / 1 vet squad on each side do you not? Now the cool fight for the noobs with their vet member pulling officer weapons and showing what is do-able became more strategic, coz now you got the same squad on the red team.

I'm reading about a cool story here, involving some happy newer players who were wowed by possibilities. The fact that some of us who've been around a long time's first instinct here is to say that this is an ego-stroke is a ucking pity.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that one vet is permitted into every Low Mu match. He is expected to "coach" and "inspire" his side from the comfort of a Madrugar gv.0.

Now put yourself in the opposition's newbro shoes. You're fresh out of the Academy. You see a tank camping a point and mopping up your blue dots. Of course, you're curious and you get close enough to get insta-gibbed. You respawn in your Starter AV fit. Others do the same. You watch in amazement (bordering on disgust) as your team is decimated by a single player, all the while his tank absorbs and ignores one AV volley after another.

Are you inspired by this tanker's awesomeness? I probably wouldn't be. If observed in more than one match, I definitely wouldn't be. I'd think to myself, "Self, this veteran tanker has no business being in here with us newbros going 20/0 every match. If he did belong here, then the game would've provided us with the tools necessary to kill him. Because that's what games do. Either this guy is cheating, or the people who make this game don't know what they're doing."

If I suspected the latter, I'd likely uninstall. If I were leaning more toward the former, I'd take note of the cheater's name and leave battle every time I saw it.

But the "exploit" requires that you have the lowbies act as squad leader and queue the group. If you, the high sp psycho nerd queue the squad, it appears the squad defaults to using your score as the baseline.

Afipem by my understanding ...

It makes perfect, practical sense to me that High Mu players should be pewpewing one another in the High Mu queue rather than wrecking face with officer gear and proto tanks in the Low Mu queue.

We apparently don't see eye-to-eye on this point. That's fine.

It's my understanding that this hole is easy to exploit.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that one vet is permitted into every Low Mu match. He is expected to "coach" and "inspire" his side from the comfort of a Madrugar gv.0.

Now put yourself in the opposition's newbro shoes. You're fresh out of the Academy. You see a tank camping a point and mopping up your blue dots. Of course, you're curious and you get close enough to get insta-gibbed. You respawn in your Starter AV fit. Others do the same. You watch in amazement (bordering on disgust) as your team is decimated by a single player, all the while his tank absorbs and ignores one AV volley after another.

Are you inspired by this tanker's awesomeness? I probably wouldn't be. If observed in more than one match, I definitely wouldn't be. I'd think to myself, "Self, this veteran tanker has no business being in here with us newbros going 20/0 every match. If he did belong here, then the game would've provided us with the tools necessary to kill him. Because that's what games do. Either this guy is cheating, or the people who make this game don't know what they're doing."

If I suspected the latter, I'd likely uninstall. If I were leaning more toward the former, I'd take note of the cheater's name and leave battle every time I saw it.

Can't say I've ever seen Maken Tosch pull a 23/0 while showing newbros the ropes. Maybe he's doing it wrong. Do you think most D Uni trainers field officer gear and proto tanks when they train?

This thread isn't about you, Breakin, and my comments/concerns aren't aimed at you. If you are bouncing back and forth between high Mu and low Mu, then you are by definition not a high Mu player accessing low Mu queue via exploit.