o7 Aeon
Still waiting for you to take a look at slack. JK

I have been doing my part, trying to get the spanish community in the CPM communication loop.

(All links are in spanish)

CPM2 Start of term
CPM Feedback request: ADS/Swarms
CPM Feedback request: NPE, Corp Tools and UI
CPM request: Lore and Immersion
CPM Feedback request: Mass Driver variants
CPM Feedback Request: Laser Rifle

Sadly they havent been very active, but i wont let that deter me.

Just my 0.002 ISK, DGD

You might want to mention the Tweetfleet slack. I know at least you are there.

Is there somone in CPM that's from EU?
Or some other EU-friendly timezone?

I don't think most really care. Forums are near death compared to how it used to be and most players either don't have respect for CPM or don't even know what a CPM is. Hell, with the current line up Kevall is the only one this bitter vet would think has the best interest of this game in mind; the rest just got elected because of your popularity within the circlejerk. Honestly, I don't have any expectation for you guys to push for actual fixes of the game instead of band-aids that only try to mask the problems. It's either special interests or those that roll over because they've given up on this game actually being fixed.

But it's all ok. God's in his heaven and all's right with the world.

I check occasionally, but I can't recall ever finding something worth reading there..

For research purposes, I am going to check it right now, then update this post

Edit: Bar DGD's highhlighted issues that Cross repiled to.. nothing of use/interest

If you want to make it useful, try posting reports of what you are actually doing once you are all in place, the gamers might give a damn if they can see that, maybe not. Given the fact that CCP communicate with 7/2000? players.. there are many who simply do not care to see issues debated.. but never fixed.. again.. and again.. and then some..

The posts coming out are good in FID, but they seem related to each CPM's own views/playstyles.. when bluntly, you nominated yourselves to speak for the community so your individual opions mean very little as that is not what you should represent..

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work you guys will put in..
But regarding CPM, I try to look at it from the view of 1000? players who have no reason to participate here.

I'm willing to bet you came to that conclusion all by yourself and without any context or information to back it up



Report of what we're actually doing?

NDA.

Like, not even being sarcastic, that is literally as much as I can say right now. It is a little frustrating, absolutely, but it's all we can do at the moment.

I am starting up a Tumblr Blog for my own personal rantings and ravings, so you might want to check that out whenever it comes up.

I'm willing to bet you came to that conclusion all by yourself and without any context or information to back it up

Well.. you need to dodge the NDA then work around it, post what you can don't spill the secrets..
Either way the point stands, at first glance over there, maybe 2 posts are relevant to Dusts performance right now

Sourcing feedback via that Forum section is available to you, like all of the FID posts, gathering them there instead at least shows some involvement from the CPM towards gameplay and our opinions on it, there could be a CPM discussion thread over there for each role in-game, along with NPE, and PC maybe another thread to discuss SKINS/Shiny things that players actually want..

So far the discussion is going

"why don't people check the CPM forum?"

"because you tell us nothing of any use"

"well we can't tell you so uumm yanno.. NDA"

So at least we are all clear on why nobody bothers to browse it

I'm curious Aeon. I read D1cks post and kind of have to agree with him. I won't push you on the NDA stuff because I know it is futile.

I have one very honest question for you though - Has being on the CPM gave you a better understanding of how and why CCP do things? (Or is it too early to comment on this)

Well.. you need to dodge the NDA then work around it, post what you can don't spill the secrets..
Either way the point stands, at first glance over there, maybe 2 posts are relevant to Dusts performance right now

Sourcing feedback via that Forum section is available to you, like all of the FID posts, gathering them there instead at least shows some involvement from the CPM towards gameplay and our opinions on it, there could be a CPM discussion thread over there for each role in-game, along with NPE, and PC maybe another thread to discuss SKINS/Shiny things that players actually want..

So far the discussion is going

"why don't people check the CPM forum?"

"because you tell us nothing of any use"

"well we can't tell you so uumm yanno.. NDA"

So at least we are all clear on why nobody bothers to browse it

Neat.
Would it be a possibility to get the CPM in contact with the CSM (and EVE players) to see how we can make interactions between the two player groups mutually beneficial, and spur some organic growth between our two communities?
I ask because since we've had confirmation that CCP shares employees across games (perhaps not necessarily studios), maybe we can have some resources siphoned off the EVE team for the benefit of both games.

Sits eagerly awaiting the mediocre CPM response

o7 Aeon
Still waiting for you to take a look at slack. JK

I have been doing my part, trying to get the spanish community in the CPM communication loop.

(All links are in spanish)

CPM2 Start of term
CPM Feedback request: ADS/Swarms
CPM Feedback request: NPE, Corp Tools and UI
CPM request: Lore and Immersion
CPM Feedback request: Mass Driver variants
CPM Feedback Request: Laser Rifle

Sadly they havent been very active, but i wont let that deter me.

Just my 0.002 ISK, DGD

What are your thoughts on how to go about organic growth between the communities? More importantly, why? I am not challenging you with these questions, I'm legitimately asking for your thoughts.

As a caveat, I will say that I haven't played EVE in years so some of what I say may be grossly outdated. It's been a few months since I played Dust, and even then only casually in pubs:

Well, if we look at the three avenues currently available to us (pubs, FW, PC) we see that there are really only two ways (FW and PC) for both games to have interaction and both of which in the same manner... orbital strikes. We pick targets, pilots select one and press the Big Red Button, case closed. My immediate thought would be to have something similar but in reverse where pilots pick the targets, we select one and press the Big Red Button.

If I'm not mistaken, EVE players are getting shiny new POSs called Citadels that will no doubt be expensive structures to develop and maintain (in both resource costs and opportunity costs). I feel that EVE players might react with a bit of curiosity if we went over and said, "How would you like a Doomsday weapon to bolster that Citadel's defenses?". The Citadel would obviously have to be deployed over the appropriate District, but having Orbital Artillery swat some targets of opportunity out of the sky (say, Battleship class or above) might entice at least some interaction. There could be a Citadel module that lets fleet commanders (or whomever) pick possible targets while we select one and fire, resulting in a highly damaged or destroyed ship and maybe a big payout for us. The tie becomes even greater if an EVE corp or alliance takes Dust mercs under their wing and bankrolls them with isk or manufactured competitive equipment, but that's a discussion for another time.

Such an incentive to have Orbital Artillery support for defending a Citadel could then prompt an attacking EVE corp/alliance to hire Dust mercs of their own to disable the OA for a time (or even take it for themselves if the Citadel gets flipped or destroyed, while still ultimately being under EVE players' control for picking targets). Such an idea could also carry over to FW (though I've never done FW on the EVE side before so I don't know how it works), but instead of having a big doomsday cannon there could be smaller varieties similar to what we have now with our different tiers of warbarge strikes. I also recall other threads floating about that suggested letting EVE players know where the next FW battle will be, or something to that effect, would help. Anything that nets them lots more bonus LP is a big incentive in my book to help some interaction between us.

This is just one idea, though, so take what you will. I think that any kind of Jolly Cooperation between our two games inhibiting the same universe and server would be good overall, and if we could siphon off some EVE devs to help our case in any form we put ourselves in a MUCH better position

SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A GD COOKIE

I'll answer with a counter-question:
Why not?

From an outsider's view, it appears that each studio (Iceland, Shanghai, etc) has its own set of projects which it works without much cohesive strategy. Some projects, such as initially Dust and now Valkyrie, get the brunt of attention from senior management which they put their weight behind letting other projects inch along.

Thinking purely from a business perspective and seeing how the business I'm currently working in is changing (for context, I'm an intern at a relatively small buy-side investment firm) you get an idea of how things are done by observing... various departments, from Marketing to Research to Business Development, are working in synergy under one central vision each with their own Mission, Strategies, and functions in providing for the cohesive whole. It just appears... different for us and CCP.

As a small part of the current EVE and Dust (and future Valkyrie) customers, I have to ask what is that cohesive Vision? Are we meant to be interacting with each other or are we to play in our own sandboxes?
The purpose of my suggestion is to seize the very clear opportunity that CCP has, as a whole, to draw more players into their existing products and strengthen their value proposition by offering what NO OTHER company has yet dared to try or even dreamed of trying: having a single, diverse ecosystem of clearly different games that influence each other in often unimaginable ways and have the possibility of existing in a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship.
Being able to draw players from EVE into Dust to protect EVE interests, or vice-versa for Dust players, is a simple no brainer in my opinion when it comes to overall product differentiation and limitless opportunity. There's a goldmine sitting on CCP's doorstep with this and it just seems to be sitting there.

It's Just Good Business

Also understandable, and perhaps now having rewatched that portion of FF2013 Dust Keynote above I can phrase what I was talking about better.
It's not so much that Orbital Artillery or combined PC/Sovereignty is needed now, but what I feel is needed is some sort of better social and organizational interaction between the two games or their elected representatives. My original suggestion was meant to outline that the only interaction we both really have is through OBs and an occasional Local Chat thing, and any minor increase in interaction, even outside of the gamespace, might be valuable for long-term prospects (hence why I suggested doing some talking on the EVE side of things).

If some fruits could be born of that dialogue, even if it's just simple back and forth conversation between CSM/CPM on the lines of "Sup?", I think both our communities would be better off. Simply talk doesn't cost horrendous amounts of valuable resources

Personally I find the CPM thing to be a huge joke, so a place where they chat about irrelevant things doesn't interest me much o.o


Not to be rude, but CPM's have always conveyed what was best for their corp and themselves rather then the community. Not to mention never really running onto them on the battle field. They're like a fly on the wall, unless your staring it right in the face it might as well not even be there >.>;

Yeah... Lemme tell you, I'm totally pandering for Negative Feedback what with it being (pretty much) a dead corp and all, lol.

CPM is doing a lot more than you might think. Should look for some of our threads calling for feedback and what not. If nothing else it'll enlighten you to some degree.

My take on allowing Dust 514 more interaction with the Eve Universe is through the Lore, which is entirely do-able right now depending on the subject material. Check my blog for details.

I wasn't necessarily speaking about you either, everyone knows it's been done in the past by CPM's and it'll be done again. The only way to ensure it wouldn't happen is to find someone who is unbiased in the game towards allegiance and used virtually all the suits/weapons/vehicles.

I would hope so, I basically think they do nothing at all, I would be upset to find out that's actually true :P

If CCP wants to know what the community thinks about something, they have a place for that on the forums here. It's used a lot actually. Heck, people post up in the general discussion thread about their ideas and thoughts as well. The real job of a CPM I would imagine would be listening to each of those instances as they come up and marking which ones come up most frequently.

Honestly with Archduke on the job, you CPM guys might as well be twiddling your thumbs together >.>

I will check the blog, but on the subject of communication have you guys or other CPM ever even said "Hello" to the CSM?
Introduced yourselves, tell why you're in the political position of being community reps, etc? Or even vice-versa.
I don't think I've ever seen CSM lay a foot 'round these parts but it would be nice to see them too.

You ever seen Steve Hofstetter's youtube channel where he deals with hecklers? Man, if I only had that level of patience. Unfortunately I don't so I'll just say to stick with what you know and grow up, grow old, and die stupid!

You have the CPM confused with Community Management, yo. And even then that's a very loose definition of community management.

Check out the Tweetfleet Slack some time. Most of us are in there.

And the reason you haven't seen a CSM lay foot around here is because they're not representing Dust 514
Cooks generally don't wait tables, lol.

I have not seen it .3.
I prefer having no short term memory and being a little insane, everything is always new and interesting, so patience comes naturally

Well the main job of the CPM is to be a connection to the community for CCP right? Let them know what's on the peoples minds, features they would like, problems they're all having... right? o.o

Now that I have your attention though Aeon, do we know if it is possible to have devs from either the EVE or Valkyrie offices to help out Rattati with some things here or there? Just wishful thinking, but perhaps some of their experience with AI coding, map or gamemode design, modeling, textures, lore, or art could be of use to us.

I'm willing to bet you came to that conclusion all by yourself and without any context or information to back it up



Report of what we're actually doing?

NDA.

Like, not even being sarcastic, that is literally as much as I can say right now. It is a little frustrating, absolutely, but it's all we can do at the moment.

I am starting up a Tumblr Blog for my own personal rantings and ravings, so you might want to check that out whenever it comes up.

and before the election you thought that pesky NDA wouldn't bolt your lips shut.....

I think, sadly, most people don't care. Unfortunately, due to your NDA, they're right not to. You can't really post anything substantive or informative, and anything you can post, the Devs post in a more conspicuous place.

So your forum is really only good for feedback from the community. And since you can't come straight out and ask "what do you think of this?" You would be better off posting generalized surveys to find out what's on the average players radar. Additionally, I hope you all make a habit of squadding with random blueberries to get the perspective of non forum warriors.

Honestly, I've been away from the game for a year, checking in periodically, and I like most of the changes I've seen. But with the NDA in place, the average Joe like myself will never know how much input the CPM has had in the ever changing landscape of DUST. So to most of us you seem superfluous.