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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.08 21:37:00 -
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DiablosMajora wrote:Also understandable, and perhaps now having rewatched that portion of FF2013 Dust Keynote above I can phrase what I was talking about better. It's not so much that Orbital Artillery or combined PC/Sovereignty is needed now, but what I feel is needed is some sort of better social and organizational interaction between the two games or their elected representatives. My original suggestion was meant to outline that the only interaction we both really have is through OBs and an occasional Local Chat thing, and any minor increase in interaction, even outside of the gamespace, might be valuable for long-term prospects (hence why I suggested doing some talking on the EVE side of things). If some fruits could be born of that dialogue, even if it's just simple back and forth conversation between CSM/CPM on the lines of "Sup?", I think both our communities would be better off. Simply talk doesn't cost horrendous amounts of valuable resources
My take on allowing Dust 514 more interaction with the Eve Universe is through the Lore, which is entirely do-able right now depending on the subject material. Check my blog for details.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.09.08 21:41:00 -
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Personally I find the CPM thing to be a huge joke, so a place where they chat about irrelevant things doesn't interest me much o.o
Not to be rude, but CPM's have always conveyed what was best for their corp and themselves rather then the community. Not to mention never really running onto them on the battle field. They're like a fly on the wall, unless your staring it right in the face it might as well not even be there >.>;
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.08 21:44:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Personally I find the CPM thing to be a huge joke, so a place where they chat about irrelevant things doesn't interest me much o.o
Not to be rude, but CPM's have always conveyed what was best for their corp and themselves rather then the community. Not to mention never really running onto them on the battle field. They're like a fly on the wall, unless your staring it right in the face it might as well not even be there >.>;
Yeah... Lemme tell you, I'm totally pandering for Negative Feedback what with it being (pretty much) a dead corp and all, lol.
CPM is doing a lot more than you might think. Should look for some of our threads calling for feedback and what not. If nothing else it'll enlighten you to some degree.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.09.08 21:53:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Personally I find the CPM thing to be a huge joke, so a place where they chat about irrelevant things doesn't interest me much o.o
Not to be rude, but CPM's have always conveyed what was best for their corp and themselves rather then the community. Not to mention never really running onto them on the battle field. They're like a fly on the wall, unless your staring it right in the face it might as well not even be there >.>; Yeah... Lemme tell you, I'm totally pandering for Negative Feedback what with it being (pretty much) a dead corp and all, lol. CPM is doing a lot more than you might think. Should look for some of our threads calling for feedback and what not. If nothing else it'll enlighten you to some degree.
I wasn't necessarily speaking about you either, everyone knows it's been done in the past by CPM's and it'll be done again. The only way to ensure it wouldn't happen is to find someone who is unbiased in the game towards allegiance and used virtually all the suits/weapons/vehicles.
I would hope so, I basically think they do nothing at all, I would be upset to find out that's actually true :P
If CCP wants to know what the community thinks about something, they have a place for that on the forums here. It's used a lot actually. Heck, people post up in the general discussion thread about their ideas and thoughts as well. The real job of a CPM I would imagine would be listening to each of those instances as they come up and marking which ones come up most frequently.
Honestly with Archduke on the job, you CPM guys might as well be twiddling your thumbs together >.>
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.09.08 22:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:DiablosMajora wrote:Also understandable, and perhaps now having rewatched that portion of FF2013 Dust Keynote above I can phrase what I was talking about better. It's not so much that Orbital Artillery or combined PC/Sovereignty is needed now, but what I feel is needed is some sort of better social and organizational interaction between the two games or their elected representatives. My original suggestion was meant to outline that the only interaction we both really have is through OBs and an occasional Local Chat thing, and any minor increase in interaction, even outside of the gamespace, might be valuable for long-term prospects (hence why I suggested doing some talking on the EVE side of things). If some fruits could be born of that dialogue, even if it's just simple back and forth conversation between CSM/CPM on the lines of "Sup?", I think both our communities would be better off. Simply talk doesn't cost horrendous amounts of valuable resources My take on allowing Dust 514 more interaction with the Eve Universe is through the Lore, which is entirely do-able right now depending on the subject material. Check my blog for details. I will check the blog, but on the subject of communication have you guys or other CPM ever even said "Hello" to the CSM? Introduced yourselves, tell why you're in the political position of being community reps, etc? Or even vice-versa. I don't think I've ever seen CSM lay a foot 'round these parts but it would be nice to see them too.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.08 22:12:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Personally I find the CPM thing to be a huge joke, so a place where they chat about irrelevant things doesn't interest me much o.o
Not to be rude, but CPM's have always conveyed what was best for their corp and themselves rather then the community. Not to mention never really running onto them on the battle field. They're like a fly on the wall, unless your staring it right in the face it might as well not even be there >.>; Yeah... Lemme tell you, I'm totally pandering for Negative Feedback what with it being (pretty much) a dead corp and all, lol. CPM is doing a lot more than you might think. Should look for some of our threads calling for feedback and what not. If nothing else it'll enlighten you to some degree. I wasn't necessarily speaking about you either, everyone knows it's been done in the past by CPM's and it'll be done again. The only way to ensure it wouldn't happen is to find someone who is unbiased in the game towards allegiance and used virtually all the suits/weapons/vehicles. I would hope so, I basically think they do nothing at all, I would be upset to find out that's actually true :P If CCP wants to know what the community thinks about something, they have a place for that on the forums here. It's used a lot actually. Heck, people post up in the general discussion thread about their ideas and thoughts as well. The real job of a CPM I would imagine would be listening to each of those instances as they come up and marking which ones come up most frequently. Honestly with Archduke on the job, you CPM guys might as well be twiddling your thumbs together >.>
You ever seen Steve Hofstetter's youtube channel where he deals with hecklers? Man, if I only had that level of patience. Unfortunately I don't so I'll just say to stick with what you know and grow up, grow old, and die stupid!
You have the CPM confused with Community Management, yo. And even then that's a very loose definition of community management.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.08 22:14:00 -
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DiablosMajora wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DiablosMajora wrote:Also understandable, and perhaps now having rewatched that portion of FF2013 Dust Keynote above I can phrase what I was talking about better. It's not so much that Orbital Artillery or combined PC/Sovereignty is needed now, but what I feel is needed is some sort of better social and organizational interaction between the two games or their elected representatives. My original suggestion was meant to outline that the only interaction we both really have is through OBs and an occasional Local Chat thing, and any minor increase in interaction, even outside of the gamespace, might be valuable for long-term prospects (hence why I suggested doing some talking on the EVE side of things). If some fruits could be born of that dialogue, even if it's just simple back and forth conversation between CSM/CPM on the lines of "Sup?", I think both our communities would be better off. Simply talk doesn't cost horrendous amounts of valuable resources My take on allowing Dust 514 more interaction with the Eve Universe is through the Lore, which is entirely do-able right now depending on the subject material. Check my blog for details. I will check the blog, but on the subject of communication have you guys or other CPM ever even said "Hello" to the CSM? Introduced yourselves, tell why you're in the political position of being community reps, etc? Or even vice-versa. I don't think I've ever seen CSM lay a foot 'round these parts but it would be nice to see them too.
Check out the Tweetfleet Slack some time. Most of us are in there.
And the reason you haven't seen a CSM lay foot around here is because they're not representing Dust 514 Cooks generally don't wait tables, lol.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.09.08 22:27:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Personally I find the CPM thing to be a huge joke, so a place where they chat about irrelevant things doesn't interest me much o.o
Not to be rude, but CPM's have always conveyed what was best for their corp and themselves rather then the community. Not to mention never really running onto them on the battle field. They're like a fly on the wall, unless your staring it right in the face it might as well not even be there >.>; Yeah... Lemme tell you, I'm totally pandering for Negative Feedback what with it being (pretty much) a dead corp and all, lol. CPM is doing a lot more than you might think. Should look for some of our threads calling for feedback and what not. If nothing else it'll enlighten you to some degree. I wasn't necessarily speaking about you either, everyone knows it's been done in the past by CPM's and it'll be done again. The only way to ensure it wouldn't happen is to find someone who is unbiased in the game towards allegiance and used virtually all the suits/weapons/vehicles. I would hope so, I basically think they do nothing at all, I would be upset to find out that's actually true :P If CCP wants to know what the community thinks about something, they have a place for that on the forums here. It's used a lot actually. Heck, people post up in the general discussion thread about their ideas and thoughts as well. The real job of a CPM I would imagine would be listening to each of those instances as they come up and marking which ones come up most frequently. Honestly with Archduke on the job, you CPM guys might as well be twiddling your thumbs together >.> You ever seen Steve Hofstetter's youtube channel where he deals with hecklers? Man, if I only had that level of patience. Unfortunately I don't so I'll just say to stick with what you know and grow up, grow old, and die stupid! You have the CPM confused with Community Management, yo. And even then that's a very loose definition of community management.
I have not seen it .3. I prefer having no short term memory and being a little insane, everything is always new and interesting, so patience comes naturally
Well the main job of the CPM is to be a connection to the community for CCP right? Let them know what's on the peoples minds, features they would like, problems they're all having... right? o.o
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.09.08 22:37:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:DiablosMajora wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DiablosMajora wrote:Also understandable, and perhaps now having rewatched that portion of FF2013 Dust Keynote above I can phrase what I was talking about better. It's not so much that Orbital Artillery or combined PC/Sovereignty is needed now, but what I feel is needed is some sort of better social and organizational interaction between the two games or their elected representatives. My original suggestion was meant to outline that the only interaction we both really have is through OBs and an occasional Local Chat thing, and any minor increase in interaction, even outside of the gamespace, might be valuable for long-term prospects (hence why I suggested doing some talking on the EVE side of things). If some fruits could be born of that dialogue, even if it's just simple back and forth conversation between CSM/CPM on the lines of "Sup?", I think both our communities would be better off. Simply talk doesn't cost horrendous amounts of valuable resources My take on allowing Dust 514 more interaction with the Eve Universe is through the Lore, which is entirely do-able right now depending on the subject material. Check my blog for details. I will check the blog, but on the subject of communication have you guys or other CPM ever even said "Hello" to the CSM? Introduced yourselves, tell why you're in the political position of being community reps, etc? Or even vice-versa. I don't think I've ever seen CSM lay a foot 'round these parts but it would be nice to see them too. Check out the Tweetfleet Slack some time. Most of us are in there. And the reason you haven't seen a CSM lay foot around here is because they're not representing Dust 514 Cooks generally don't wait tables, lol. Oh, they don't need to wait tables. But sometimes the patrons want to meet and great the providers of their great dining experience.
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.09.08 23:14:00 -
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Now that I have your attention though Aeon, do we know if it is possible to have devs from either the EVE or Valkyrie offices to help out Rattati with some things here or there? Just wishful thinking, but perhaps some of their experience with AI coding, map or gamemode design, modeling, textures, lore, or art could be of use to us.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.09 03:30:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:I have not seen it .3. I prefer having no short term memory and being a little insane, everything is always new and interesting, so patience comes naturally Well the main job of the CPM is to be a connection to the community for CCP right? Let them know what's on the peoples minds, features they would like, problems they're all having... right? o.o
That's a part of it, yes, but the differentiation between the CPM and what you describe is that we have to act in the interests of the players in the eventuality that we cannot go to them for what is on their minds. Hence the NDA and hence the reason for the CPM's existence. We're here to ensure the survival of Dust 514 and to ensure that it is remains, at it's core, the New Eden FPS Experience.
DiablosMajora wrote:Now that I have your attention though Aeon, do we know if it is possible to have devs from either the EVE or Valkyrie offices to help out Rattati with some things here or there? Just wishful thinking, but perhaps some of their experience with AI coding, map or gamemode design, modeling, textures, lore, or art could be of use to us.
.... why would that at all be necessary?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.09.09 14:50:00 -
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B-because Rattati is working with a skeleton crew dev team? Or did I miss something big while I was away?
Not saying other devs should stand there and look pretty, but if a well thought out plan for some Dust features is in place and other resources are available to assist in bringing some overall workload down.... :/
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Dragonmeballs
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I don't think most really care. Forums are near death compared to how it used to be and most players either don't have respect for CPM or don't even know what a CPM is. Hell, with the current line up Kevall is the only one this bitter vet would think has the best interest of this game in mind; the rest just got elected because of your popularity within the circlejerk. Honestly, I don't have any expectation for you guys to push for actual fixes of the game instead of band-aids that only try to mask the problems. It's either special interests or those that roll over because they've given up on this game actually being fixed.
But it's all ok. God's in his heaven and all's right with the world. I'm willing to bet you came to that conclusion all by yourself and without any context or information to back it up Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:I check occasionally, but I can't recall ever finding something worth reading there..
For research purposes, I am going to check it right now, then update this post
Edit: Bar DGD's highhlighted issues that Cross repiled to.. nothing of use/interest
If you want to make it useful, try posting reports of what you are actually doing once you are all in place, the gamers might give a damn if they can see that, maybe not. Given the fact that CCP communicate with 7/2000? players.. there are many who simply do not care to see issues debated.. but never fixed.. again.. and again.. and then some..
The posts coming out are good in FID, but they seem related to each CPM's own views/playstyles.. when bluntly, you nominated yourselves to speak for the community so your individual opions mean very little as that is not what you should represent..
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work you guys will put in.. But regarding CPM, I try to look at it from the view of 1000? players who have no reason to participate here. Report of what we're actually doing? NDA. Like, not even being sarcastic, that is literally as much as I can say right now. It is a little frustrating, absolutely, but it's all we can do at the moment. I am starting up a Tumblr Blog for my own personal rantings and ravings, so you might want to check that out whenever it comes up.
and before the election you thought that pesky NDA wouldn't bolt your lips shut.....
Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way with YES!
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Lanius Pulvis
Evzones
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Posted - 2015.09.09 20:01:00 -
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I think, sadly, most people don't care. Unfortunately, due to your NDA, they're right not to. You can't really post anything substantive or informative, and anything you can post, the Devs post in a more conspicuous place.
So your forum is really only good for feedback from the community. And since you can't come straight out and ask "what do you think of this?" You would be better off posting generalized surveys to find out what's on the average players radar. Additionally, I hope you all make a habit of squadding with random blueberries to get the perspective of non forum warriors.
Honestly, I've been away from the game for a year, checking in periodically, and I like most of the changes I've seen. But with the NDA in place, the average Joe like myself will never know how much input the CPM has had in the ever changing landscape of DUST. So to most of us you seem superfluous.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:56:00 -
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Dragonmeballs wrote:and before the election you thought that pesky NDA wouldn't bolt your lips shut.....
When did I ever insinuate that it wouldn't O.o?
Lanius Pulvis wrote:I think, sadly, most people don't care. Unfortunately, due to your NDA, they're right not to. You can't really post anything substantive or informative, and anything you can post, the Devs post in a more conspicuous place.
So your forum is really only good for feedback from the community. And since you can't come straight out and ask "what do you think of this?" You would be better off posting generalized surveys to find out what's on the average players radar. Additionally, I hope you all make a habit of squadding with random blueberries to get the perspective of non forum warriors.
Honestly, I've been away from the game for a year, checking in periodically, and I like most of the changes I've seen. But with the NDA in place, the average Joe like myself will never know how much input the CPM has had in the ever changing landscape of DUST. So to most of us you seem superfluous.
Should check out my blog. I try to wrap up everything we're doing there. Should have another post Soon-ish. Probably after the Hotfix.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.09.14 11:13:00 -
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Aeon, what are your thoughts on having different varieties of weapon/modules/equipment fulfilling different niches, roles, and gameplay styles? I see that there was a CPM thread in F&D outlining a proposal for having the (Breach?) Mass Driver be a sort of light-av weapon, in addition to the already existing Armor plate types (plate, ferroscale, reactive)? Perhaps this line of thinking could be branched out to (pretty much) everything else to introduce some more variety, other than weapon A tier z > A tier y > A tier x.
Some proposals are here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2955171
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