DUST Search - CPM Feedback request: Laser Rifle

Varoth Drac wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

What if we got rid of the magazine for the Laser rifle and just gave it a charge amount (basically a large magazine)
The only thing that would hold you back is heat management as distance.

Lore wise this can makes sense as well due to lasers using crystals and energy more than actual "ammo"

The Laser is the Closest thing we have to a light machine gun in this game, something like this would truly make it shine.

It's an interesting idea, but I'd rather it not be like this. Lore wise, all energy weapons in dust have ammo. I always saw it as a kind of battery pack. The weapon doesn't even take much dropsuit power to fit.

I'm all for the idea of increasing the mag size to 200, but I don't think we need to remove the mag entirely. We have the reload animation after all.

I think the laser could possibly do with a minor damage increase. It's not bad, but it is kind of underwhelming. It would be nice if the weapon was more feared. I do find success with it from time to time though.

WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.29 18:33:00 - [1] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: What if we got rid of the magazine for the Laser rifle and just gave it a charge amount (basically a large magazine) The only thing that would hold you back is heat management as distance. Lore wise this can makes sense as well due to lasers using crystals and energy more than actual "ammo" The Laser is the Closest thing we have to a light machine gun in this game, something like this would truly make it shine. It's an interesting idea, but I'd rather it not be like this. Lore wise, all energy weapons in dust have ammo. I always saw it as a kind of battery pack. The weapon doesn't even take much dropsuit power to fit. I'm all for the idea of increasing the mag size to 200, but I don't think we need to remove the mag entirely. We have the reload animation after all. I think the laser could possibly do with a minor damage increase. It's not bad, but it is kind of underwhelming. It would be nice if the weapon was more feared. I do find success with it from time to time though. What if the battery was fed by the suit, but the overheat fried the battery, making it necessary to replace? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.29 18:36:00 - [2] - Quote on the damage curve. what if base damage was increased but the damage increase curve was levelled off? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.31 09:52:00 - [3] - Quote Is it "ain't broke" if it can't be used particularly effectively on any suit except one at max level? That sounds to me like it is the sum total of the problem with the laser rifle WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.31 10:58:00 - [4] - Quote I'm not talking about using the laser rifle on a minmatar suit. I'm talking about the amarr scout, commando and logi. The fact that none of THEM can use the laser rifle particularly well is a problem in mine eyes. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.31 11:46:00 - [5] - Quote Balancing a weapon line based on the officer weapon is bass-ackward. You balance the officer weapon based off the actual weapon line. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.31 14:50:00 - [6] - Quote Officer weapons do not adhere to weapon power progression by design. You cannot use them to decide if the MLT-PRO weapons are balanced or not. In a discussion about the primary weapon line, officer weapons have to be left off the table. They are deliberately engineered to be OP. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.01 14:30:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Out of curiosity, has the AV Option been considered/discussed? I ask this out of pure self interest. I'm very much enjoying my new AM Commando, but I often find myself missing my GA Commando's PLC and my MN Commando's Swarms. Not to say the LR should be as effective at AV as these, but I imagine it could be made somewhat effective at AV without creating any real problems. Suppression is right up the LR's alley, and the AV twist is possible, as was demonstrated with Nova Knives (another specialist/niche weapon). Food for thought. I actually proposed a heavy weapon based on the laser rifle. I killed the escalating damage with fire on my early concept because that can get broken too quickly. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.01 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote It's how long the beam is continuously discharged not actually the heat if I recall. So I think it resets if you stop firing even at 75% heat. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.01 17:34:00 - [9] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: It's how long the beam is continuously discharged not actually the heat if I recall. So I think it resets if you stop firing even at 75% heat. Hrmm, do you think that could be changed? Not any more than the heat mechanic itself can be changed. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.01 17:40:00 - [10] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Breakin, the laser damage formula is as follows dmg per shot = base damage + (scalar * #of shots fired consecutively) The scalar is .85 for basic IIRC and 1.10 for proto. Advanced is somewhere inbetween though I can't remember the exact value and I'm not sure what the officer version's scalar is. Neat. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.01 18:29:00 - [11] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: So I guess my idea is tosh, sorry. Breaking, do you have any plans / ideas for LR variants? Me? Nah. I'm at a loss for how to make a variant that isn't contrived to generate variety solely to have variety without a purpose in mind. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.01 18:32:00 - [12] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm not talking about using the laser rifle on a minmatar suit. I'm talking about the amarr scout, commando and logi. The fact that none of THEM can use the laser rifle particularly well is a problem in mine eyes. Perhaps the Amarr assault bonus is too strong. Suggested improvement: Am assault bonus 5% -> 3% per level. Raise laser and scrambler rifle overheat threshold by 10%. This would result in no change for a max level assault, but a buff to commandos and other suits using Amarr weapons. Pokey was kind enough to run the numbers on this for me while I was at work. End result would be a gentle buff to the LR on other suits to the tune of six rounds extra, with a decimel-point buff to the amassault. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.02 04:06:00 - [13] - Quote Devadander wrote: I'm all for new variants of every weapon. The gentle buff seems pointless to waste dev time on for 6 rounds on other suits. A not so gentle buff will make it the new RR.... I'd rather not see that. Proto level users are very used to current mechanics. I use heartbeats. 6 beats, reload. Usually around 24-22 left in mag. Unless it's target rich, then I use 4 beats, cool 2, spend mag. Changing mechanics would possibly make it less popular. For me anyway... Have you ever fought Viktor using his Vik? Or even just a std... He will wreck your face I actually nailed him back once in a laser duel. took me four tries to get the feel for the weapon to do it, but dat viziam. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.20 04:21:00 - [14] - Quote Ok so. Regardless of the wanting it to only be good on the amarr assault... We're looking to increase its utility on any amarr suit. There is no value in a weapon that is only particularly useful at max skill on a single max-skill suit out of 20 different dropsuits, 5 of which are racially themed to it. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.20 20:33:00 - [15] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Ok so. Regardless of the wanting it to only be good on the amarr assault... We're looking to increase its utility on any amarr suit. There is no value in a weapon that is only particularly useful at max skill on a single max-skill suit out of 20 different dropsuits, 5 of which are racially themed to it. Amarr Assault Skill: 2% to Overheat and 3% to Cooldown Time per level LR/ScR Operation Skill: 3% to Overheat and 2% to Cooldown Time Increased usability of Laser Weaponry on all suits, no need to balance with Amarr Assault Skill, and Amarr Assault still keeps it's place as King. King doesn't bother me. Only functional one? that is entirely my issue. this is going on my list of potential tweaks. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.20 20:54:00 - [16] - Quote and yet the scrambler is used less than the rail rifle and combat rifle. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.