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Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 354	Posted - 2015.08.26 17:34:00 - [1] - Quote I have been seeing a lot less OBs lately. Since the reduction to 4 man squads, did the warbarge threshold get reduced as well? I don't think the limits changed and it has become harder to hit with the recent squad size changes. We should discuss what the orbital was meant to do in the game. What was the expected outcome and purpose of orbitals? I will make a spreadsheet after I know what the community thinks orbitals should be doing. 1. Turn the tide of a losing battle (The WP required should be a negative amount based on remaining MCC life and WP gained to provide the most advanced squads of a losing battle a tool to turn the tides) 2. Reward for victory for the top squad. This typically has made the winning team win more. (The current WP calculations should be fine just reduced to allow X number of orbitals based on the average WP per squad per match.) 3. Create a tool for a rising squad to dig out the defenses of a defensive enemy. (Make the WP a meter that increases over time but that also lowers over time. Then you need to persist with a drive to get a OB.) 4. Provide turning points in a battle and force teams to relocate or be rained on with death. (Add in break points in total MCC health/Clone counts that trigger an orbital to be rewarded to the highest WP squad. This ensure X orbitals per match.) Please provide what you think an orbital should do in a match. This is a smaller change that CCP might be able to execute on which will trigger changes in combat. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Duke Noobiam T.U.R.D R.O.C.K 506	Posted - 2015.08.26 17:43:00 - [2] - Quote The threshold for a warbarge strike needs to be different for 4,8 and 16 man squads. The current value works well for 4 man squads(fireteams) but it's too low for 8 and 16 man squads.
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 1	Posted - 2015.08.26 17:46:00 - [3] - Quote 3200 for a warbarge strike. Like 4K I think for laser warbarge 2k for flux. Idk. I just know that it's 3200 for major warbarge strike. (Not the major laser) CEO of T-W-L Twitter- LD3514
Mad Kras 373	Posted - 2015.08.26 17:47:00 - [4] - Quote 5. Killing tanks or even snipers if you're lazy I'm adD1CKted to you <3 Find your new home
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 355	Posted - 2015.08.26 21:57:00 - [5] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 3200 for a warbarge strike. Like 4K I think for laser warbarge 2k for flux. Idk. I just know that it's 3200 for major warbarge strike. (Not the major laser) 3200 for a major warbarge strike on a 4 merc team means it is coming at the end of battle or 3/4 through for a rofl stomp. 4 mercs, each need 800 WP. Say you are a slayer, that is killing straight up solo as a scout or assault, 13 mercs lives each! I can do that, but 4 mercs doing that. You just genocided the enemy team with 53 kills. Yeah, that is a lot to expect from 4 mercs. The best logis can farm around 2k per match in pubs and most mercs I see hover around 1k in the veteran scotty matches. A new player will never see a warbarge because they will take months to get to the level to watch the squad lead drop a major laser orbital strike. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:12:00 - [6] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 3200 for a warbarge strike. Like 4K I think for laser warbarge 2k for flux. Idk. I just know that it's 3200 for major warbarge strike. (Not the major laser) 3200 for a major warbarge strike on a 4 merc team means it is coming at the end of battle or 3/4 through for a rofl stomp. 4 mercs, each need 800 WP. Say you are a slayer, that is killing straight up solo as a scout or assault, 13 mercs lives each! I can do that, but 4 mercs doing that. You just genocided the enemy team with 53 kills. Yeah, that is a lot to expect from 4 mercs. The best logis can farm around 2k per match in pubs and most mercs I see hover around 1k in the veteran scotty matches. A new player will never see a warbarge because they will take months to get to the level to watch the squad lead drop a major laser orbital strike. I he'd to differ, the base amount of wp I see from logis is around 3-35K. Logis are a wanted breed simply because they get the most wp out of every class. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 2	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:40:00 - [7] - Quote Even fresh guy can earn 1k+ wp by playing with team. Reapir tool + needle = wp. Modern society is lacking in empathy
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:43:00 - [8] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 3200 for a warbarge strike. Like 4K I think for laser warbarge 2k for flux. Idk. I just know that it's 3200 for major warbarge strike. (Not the major laser) 3200 for a major warbarge strike on a 4 merc team means it is coming at the end of battle or 3/4 through for a rofl stomp. 4 mercs, each need 800 WP. Say you are a slayer, that is killing straight up solo as a scout or assault, 13 mercs lives each! I can do that, but 4 mercs doing that. You just genocided the enemy team with 53 kills. Yeah, that is a lot to expect from 4 mercs. The best logis can farm around 2k per match in pubs and most mercs I see hover around 1k in the veteran scotty matches. A new player will never see a warbarge because they will take months to get to the level to watch the squad lead drop a major laser orbital strike. Doing 13+ kills is common. I rarely do less than 20 on pubs (when I'm not harrassed by lags and framerate drops ^^). Genociding the enemy team in a 2-3 man squad is an everyday thing on Dust. Blueberries usually never follows and get destroyed stupidly :/ Also logis usualy go arround 3k WP or more if they do good. You just need to find good teammates bruh! Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER ! - Sequal Rise
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.08.27 03:51:00 - [9] - Quote Personally, I like 4. However, there needs to be a catch I've been asking for for years now: Even in pub matches, orbitals should be able to kill friendlies. Enough of the bullshit of a squad dropping an orbital on top of themselves to make them invincible while they hack. Orbitals should be tactical. The anti-tunnel snake taskforce has assembled
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.08.27 04:10:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Personally, I like 4. However, there needs to be a catch I've been asking for for years now: Even in pub matches, orbitals should be able to kill friendlies. Enough of the bullshit of a squad dropping an orbital on top of themselves to make them invincible while they hack. Orbitals should be tactical. I'd find it difficult not to nuke the biggest blob availabe, blue or red, every OB. There'd have to be some serious consequences for FF, and even then I'd still be tempted. @ OP - Add a Logi or two to your squad. Lots of easy WP fast. CPM Sgt Kirk - On Community

nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 365	Posted - 2015.08.27 09:20:00 - [11] - Quote I think its perfectly fine to be honest literally 1000 wp a head in a sqd me n a buddy have gotten 2 man orbitals easily would however like to see regular flux strike recieve a major splash increase due to its inaccuracy would make it more viable to use in battle FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 357	Posted - 2015.08.27 17:57:00 - [12] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Personally, I like 4. However, there needs to be a catch I've been asking for for years now: Even in pub matches, orbitals should be able to kill friendlies. Enough of the bullshit of a squad dropping an orbital on top of themselves to make them invincible while they hack. Orbitals should be tactical. I'd find it difficult not to nuke the biggest blob availabe, blue or red, every OB. There'd have to be some serious consequences for FF, and even then I'd still be tempted. @ OP - Add a Logi or two to your squad. Lots of easy WP fast. So experienced forum warriors, please help drive this topic somewhere useful and not dig into WP values until we know if WP is the correct unit. What do you think an OB should be used for in battle? - I don't have issues getting them, except when I am one of the last 6 guys in the match (happens lots in pubs because of the chickens bailing out and I see those matches where I can really wrack up kills). Just a response to all the Logi comments that are off topic: 3-3.5k per match on a logi is a GOOD logi map with skilled logis and heavies to rep. I can pull that if I have the right conditions too. Sometimes you are getting so stopped it is impossible and my heavy is requested more than my logi. That was not my point in the post. I want to start a discussion on the tactical aspect of an OB. They used to be pivotal and awe inspiring. Now the fights where both teams stick it out are those that see an end game OB used for effective purposes, not to farm red line kills. The average WP for pubs sit around 1k per merc, so a 4 man team will be hard pressed to get an OB. Pay attention to the other players on your team vets and don't bring in the egos. What I run typically: AM Sent lvl5 - Always Freedom AHMG - Suit varies on team skill Min Logi lvl5 - Always six kin rep tool - Suit varies on team skill WP isn't the problem and I have the isk to run that all day. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:12:00 - [13] - Quote I've recently witnessed quite a few Ambush and Dom matches turned around at the last minute thanks to a well-timed Orbital. Honestly don't see any problem with current OB frequency or performance, other than the occasional delay in delivery, the Minor Flux being worthless due to an overly restrictive radius, and HAVs not being destroyed when hit by orbital. CPM Sgt Kirk - On Community
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 221	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:15:00 - [14] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I've recently witnessed quite a few Ambush and Dom matches turned around at the last minute thanks to a well-timed Orbital. Honestly don't see any problem with current OB frequency or performance, other than the Minor Flux being worthless due to an overly restrictive radius. They should just get rid of minor flux and keep it as a single strike but an actual orbital strike. That could be fun. *KEQ Diplomat and Director* *ROFL. Diplomat and Red Button Pusher*
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 358	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:39:00 - [15] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: I've recently witnessed quite a few Ambush and Dom matches turned around at the last minute thanks to a well-timed Orbital. Honestly don't see any problem with current OB frequency or performance, other than the Minor Flux being worthless due to an overly restrictive radius. They should just get rid of minor flux and keep it as a single strike but an actual orbital strike. That could be fun. Thanks guys +1 you both. This is what I wanted to get from this post. If it just me who feels they are worthless except for humiliating a foe or the 1 out of 10 games where you get down to the wire. I was thinking of providing an OB to the team when the shields drop would be a good addition? I think there aren't enough OBs. Am I crazy? "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:42:00 - [16] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I think there aren't enough OBs. Am I crazy? Well, there's also 8 and 16 man squads to consider now. The Orbitals come pretty fast in PC. CPM Sgt Kirk - On Community
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 227	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:44:00 - [17] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: I've recently witnessed quite a few Ambush and Dom matches turned around at the last minute thanks to a well-timed Orbital. Honestly don't see any problem with current OB frequency or performance, other than the Minor Flux being worthless due to an overly restrictive radius. They should just get rid of minor flux and keep it as a single strike but an actual orbital strike. That could be fun. Thanks guys +1 you both. This is what I wanted to get from this post. If it just me who feels they are worthless except for humiliating a foe or the 1 out of 10 games where you get down to the wire. I was thinking of providing an OB to the team when the shields drop would be a good addition? I think there aren't enough OBs. Am I crazy? The orbital system needs some work, but it will be difficult to do. Originally they raised the threshold because the 2500 was too easy to get with a 6 man squad, but then the 5000 was too hard to get. But now with there being 3 different squad sizes it would probably take too much to find a good balance. I would absolutely love for them to lower the amount now b/c then I can get a major laser by myself, but at the same time, look at fw and pc. It's just a rough place to be in for changing. *KEQ Diplomat and Director* *ROFL. Diplomat and Red Button Pusher*
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 211	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:44:00 - [18] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Even fresh guy can earn 1k+ wp by playing with team. Reapir tool + needle = wp. Yea, its no problem to make WP, only you have to... think? :) dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 227	Posted - 2015.08.27 18:48:00 - [19] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: I think there aren't enough OBs. Am I crazy? Well, there's also 8 and 16 man squads to consider now. The Orbitals come pretty fast in PC. I think our original idea would be a good balance point, don't you? I'll take the increased obs in FW and PC at the expense of the 4 man squad having the same threshold. Unless they worked some equation to come up with a different number schematic, but honestly there are more important things they could be doing instead. *KEQ Diplomat and Director* *ROFL. Diplomat and Red Button Pusher*
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 1	Posted - 2015.08.27 20:26:00 - [20] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: 3200 for a warbarge strike. Like 4K I think for laser warbarge 2k for flux. Idk. I just know that it's 3200 for major warbarge strike. (Not the major laser) 3200 for a major warbarge strike on a 4 merc team means it is coming at the end of battle or 3/4 through for a rofl stomp. 4 mercs, each need 800 WP. Say you are a slayer, that is killing straight up solo as a scout or assault, 13 mercs lives each! I can do that, but 4 mercs doing that. You just genocided the enemy team with 53 kills. Yeah, that is a lot to expect from 4 mercs. The best logis can farm around 2k per match in pubs and most mercs I see hover around 1k in the veteran scotty matches. A new player will never see a warbarge because they will take months to get to the level to watch the squad lead drop a major laser orbital strike. Best logis get 3k+ I'm a slayer and I can easily get 2k+ with kills and assist. CEO of T-W-L Twitter- LD3514

jett it MONSTER SYNERGY 241	Posted - 2015.08.28 10:31:00 - [21] - Quote Honestly as a long time player I am not going to lie, I HATE 4 man squads it took about 30% of the fun away when it was a 6 man squad in pubs. I would like to see them back in pubs, As for OB and points I ran a squad of only three where we had 16,000 wp at the end of the battle thats enough for 4 major laser strikes. Its not so much a problem for vet players but more so for newer players, most new players cant get 1000 wp so that leaves them with a very small window of getting an OB and actually dropping it before the battle ends. Its really a touchy and sticky topic to get into. I am guessing every player has their own personal opinion on this matter and that will prove hard for coming up with a solution. Either way you have my support. I will make due with whatever happens, changes or no changes. o7 jettGaming - Youtube
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.28 13:00:00 - [22] - Quote 4 man squad 4k Laser 1k each EZ *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.


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