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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:09:00 - [1] - Quote If any of the devs can answer this, it will be appreciated......either way, would like to know what the community feels is fair. I am not anticipating a ps4 port for Dust 514, even if they changed the name. But if Dust was moved to ps4 or recreated under a different name on the ps4, would it be a total character and corp wipe? Not sure if it would be fair.....I know I'd be disappointed from all of the grind that I put in. Would you guys be disappointed? Indifferent? Would you start over? Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:16:00 - [2] - Quote I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:24:00 - [4] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? I would almost expect that SP and ISK would be wiped to be honest. Yea things like bpos, FW ranks and loyalty ranks or at least a system that transfers our old bpos into new game blueprint stuff. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:29:00 - [5] - Quote I'll be honest, if nothing comes from all this time, effort and money spent it will be a little crushing. I do hope we see Legion or Dust as it was originally intended on a new platform. And yes I really hope all we've worked for can transfer. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Maximus Mobius 978	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:30:00 - [6] - Quote I would not be as scared since I am but a peasant tank operator and it wouldn't be that hard to skill back up. All hail our lord and videogame saviour Godd Howard Bernie Sanders for president 2016
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 6	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:31:00 - [7] - Quote Wipe ISK Wipe ISK Assets Converter AUR assets to AUR Keep BPOs (Even if the nature of BPOs changes) Refund Allocated SP (If skill costs changes, SP should still have the same 'buying power') "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:31:00 - [8] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? I would almost expect that SP and ISK would be wiped to be honest. Yea things like bpos, FW ranks and loyalty ranks or at least a system that transfers our old bpos into new game blueprint stuff. I guess if I could keep my bpos, loyalty ranks....it would soften the blow. But damn man...seriously grinding sp again would be a ***** and a half. Well, maybe not if they keep the 750K sp cap and ability to stack boosters. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 06:47:00 - [9] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? I would almost expect that SP and ISK would be wiped to be honest. Yea things like bpos, FW ranks and loyalty ranks or at least a system that transfers our old bpos into new game blueprint stuff. I guess if I could keep my bpos, loyalty ranks....it would soften the blow. But damn man...seriously grinding sp again would be a ***** and a half. Well, maybe not if they keep the 750K sp cap and ability to stack boosters. Just think....we already have a good understanding of the game so that would help. I feel ccp have to give us something after all this given what we have been through. I know i wud go straight back to gall scout and spec into plcs hehe. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 07:04:00 - [10] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: If any of the devs can answer this, it will be appreciated......either way, would like to know what the community feels is fair. I am not anticipating a ps4 port for Dust 514, even if they changed the name. But if Dust was moved to ps4 or recreated under a different name on the ps4, would it be a total character and corp wipe? Not sure if it would be fair.....I know I'd be disappointed from all of the grind that I put in. Would you guys be disappointed? Indifferent? Would you start over? I can tell you that I would not even bother buying a PS4 if they said that. I have simply invested too much money in this game based on the promises that it will be long standing. Starting over is not even close to an option. CCP deciding to start over would just be saying we screwed up last time around and you got to pay for it. We know they screwed the pooch in general but we are not the ones that should be shouldering that burden. Much of the money spent on Dust pre fanfest 14 statements and deciding to not even attempt to honor those because they messed up so badly would be the greatest breach of confidence a gaming company has ever perpetrated. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++

Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens Imperium Eden 218	Posted - 2015.08.20 07:25:00 - [11] - Quote Honestly I can't see how they can keep characters, isk and such as they are and not screw up the new game without horrible balance issues to any new blood they want to draw in. Not unless they up skill gain, isk etc even more to make what ever we have nearly worthless. 5mil SP a week cap, 250k SP per battle or something insane like that. Which is pretty much what they did before when they doubled the weekly cap and introduced daily mission rewards imo. I hit the weekly/daily cap every day for pretty much the first year, back then 5-10 mil Sp was huge. Now you can probably get that in a month if you use boosters, ones you can buy with in game isk instead of real world money with player trading. That said if CCP basically wipes everything and starts over imo that means the new game would have to stand on it's own to be worth my time. Never mind investing money into the new game, even if it's free I don't think I'd play it if it's basically just the current Dust with a graphic over haul. We kind of got sucked into the promises of the future with Dust since day one and I'd be weary of putting to much faith in a new game that didn't deliver from day one. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.08.20 07:36:00 - [12] - Quote I always imagined that a port could work if the returning vets had their SP on ice for about 6-12 months to give the new guys a chance and after that the flood gates would be opened. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 847	Posted - 2015.08.20 07:47:00 - [13] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: If any of the devs can answer this, it will be appreciated......either way, would like to know what the community feels is fair. I am not anticipating a ps4 port for Dust 514, even if they changed the name. But if Dust was moved to ps4 or recreated under a different name on the ps4, would it be a total character and corp wipe? Not sure if it would be fair.....I know I'd be disappointed from all of the grind that I put in. Would you guys be disappointed? Indifferent? Would you start over? This is how it'll likely work: Legion turns into a PS4 port, you keep your BPO assets and total AUR spent is returned to you - but your SP and ISK will be wiped. They'll likely 'reward' returning players with several million SP and vanity items, but they'll want the market set back to square one so they can take another look at the risk vs reward that is completely gone from this game.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 09:54:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? I would almost expect that SP and ISK would be wiped to be honest. Yea things like bpos, FW ranks and loyalty ranks or at least a system that transfers our old bpos into new game blueprint stuff. Basically this ^ The current SP system indeed has its flaws and would probably be better if is reworked in case of a port / next evolution / whetever. I would expect some kind of "Trophy" for being a Dust514 player or the ability to keep BPOs, but sincerly I wouldn't expect more than that. If they're making a new game, they'd better try to catch the interest of a much wider pool of players, and no one likes when someone else at the very beginning of a new game has an head-start of millions of SPs.
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 600	Posted - 2015.08.20 10:01:00 - [15] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? You got guys almost 3 years in this game,with some players putting hundreds, if not thousands of dollars into dust. Everything would need to be transferred over. I mean if they can do it for GTA Online and Destiny, no excuse and no other option but to give players everything that they've earned on the next gen. Director of N-F // *LOGi GOD* // Master of Healers // Lord of War Points Badger Rager is my #1 Fan
Jack Boost Zarena Family 923	Posted - 2015.08.20 13:15:00 - [16] - Quote You know.. even immortals someday die... Not much time left...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.08.20 13:26:00 - [17] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I know I'd be disappointed from all of the grind that I put in. Would you guys be disappointed? Indifferent? Would you start over? It would suck to have my ISK and SP stripped. Not going to say I would not be disappointed. If I got to keep my character name and corporation name I would begrudgingly accept the loss though. That being said, veterans who migrate with a port need to be given some goodies if they have their progression wiped. Boosters, SKINs, unique forum avatars, 'Founder' title or merc quarters decoration, sackful of aurum, or D.) All of the above. @Ripley_Riley Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.08.20 14:05:00 - [18] - Quote Wiping sp and isk just for the sake of a level playing field for potential new players is moronic. Eventually (even with a complete wipe) you will have a huge discrepancy in sp/isk between many players. Caldari Tribute Montage
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2015.08.20 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote As someone who has thought we are not going to see a port or evolution product, I got comfortable with my assets not being permanent a long time ago. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Starlight Burner Vader's-Fist 429	Posted - 2015.08.20 15:07:00 - [20] - Quote I wouldn't play the next version of DUST if I have to start over. CCP **** up. Not me. I devoted my time into promises that were crushed later on. Keep my ** or I move on to better games. Simple as that. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 15:08:00 - [21] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: As someone who has thought we are not going to see a port or evolution product, I got comfortable with my assets not being permanent a long time ago. I also agree with this. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 12	Posted - 2015.08.20 17:30:00 - [22] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: If any of the devs can answer this, it will be appreciated......either way, would like to know what the community feels is fair. I am not anticipating a ps4 port for Dust 514, even if they changed the name. But if Dust was moved to ps4 or recreated under a different name on the ps4, would it be a total character and corp wipe? Not sure if it would be fair.....I know I'd be disappointed from all of the grind that I put in. Would you guys be disappointed? Indifferent? Would you start over? I personally would be happy with just a skin to show the Dust Vets. Maybe they can twist it into "Veterans from the DUST project have shown to be remarkably intuitive to the LEIGION project. They learn and adapt far quicker than the average mercenary" and throw us a month long active booster or something. I don't want to keep my assets or SP, as nice as it would be. We don't need another leg up on the newer players, experience should honestly be enough. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.08.20 17:57:00 - [23] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: If any of the devs can answer this, it will be appreciated......either way, would like to know what the community feels is fair. I am not anticipating a ps4 port for Dust 514, even if they changed the name. But if Dust was moved to ps4 or recreated under a different name on the ps4, would it be a total character and corp wipe? Not sure if it would be fair.....I know I'd be disappointed from all of the grind that I put in. Would you guys be disappointed? Indifferent? Would you start over? After the the community backlash from the Project Legion announcement, CCP were very clear and explicit that if Project Legion went live our characters would be ported. I am certain that this holds true for any port or remake of DUST on another platform. As for Corps, they exist in EVE as well as DUST. My EVE character is the CEO of my Corp. So Corps should persist as well. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.08.20 18:02:00 - [24] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I for one would be happy to start over but I would certainly expect something from my time in ps3 dust. I would be pissed if I had absolutely no advantage or anything to show for it (coming from dust514 ps3 to the newer game) What sort of "something" would satisfy you? Cause a total wipe of ISK and sp is everything :). Unless, maybe if you're allowed to keep your bpos? I would be fine with SP and ISK not being worth as much in the new version as they are on the PS3, but a complete wipe would make me feel like the years I spend playing DUST were a complete waste of time! My number one reason for playing DUST instead of any other FPS is persistence. I want to know that my character will still exist in ten years. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 18:51:00 - [25] - Quote I've given some thought to this, as most of us have at some point and this would be my preferred option should it happen. I will first say that this not to be construed as confirmation of anything happening, conversations that have taken place etc etc... First of all I don't think there should be a straight transfer of absolutely everything. There have been a number of past design decisions made in the past that have had profound impact on the games progression. The chance to correct some of them with any port that may come should be taken. The first one being the amount of passive ISK generation that the first version of PC created. This has also been made more complicated by the use of BPO and the difference in payouts from destroyed equipment that they've effected. This has created a glut of ISK that is funding the heavy use of proto level gear. Proto use was supposed to be an ISK sink and used sparingly but the billions of ISK that PC 1.0 created has means that that particular design feature has been made moot. So if all the ISK was removed from the game it would be a chance to slowly build up the economy, in a more controlled and considered manner that may hopefully lead to a economic link in New Eden (But that link is a long way into the future, if at all). If all my ISK disappeared, I'd care not. I'd soon build it up again. SP is slightly different because of the use of Boosters many have had. But I do also think that for the sake of new players joining a port, fresh on a new format, that SP should be zeroed. However, there of course should be some recompense for that AUR investment. So how I would do it is like this. Using myself as an example I've got 71 million SP in total. A lot of that is from booster use. But the passive generation of SP that I have is a fixed amount based on the age of my Merc. There was a zeroing of the SP of all mercs in the closed beta on the 10th January 2013. So as of writing this, my Merc has been gaining passive ISK for 982 days. 1 SP is gained every 4 seconds, the total every 24 hours is 21,900. So 21,211,200 of my Total SP is purely passive, I gained it playing the game or not. But just under 51m of my total is the result of boosters. Its that amount that I feel that I should get some recognition from CCP. So if my SP was zeroed I want 50 million SP's worth of 30 day passive boosters credited to my account and able to be stacked so as I gain the SP advantage I have over a newer player but at a level that is not unachievable by them should they wish buy boosters themselves. I think that is fair. All AUR items should be transferred to a new account or the total AUR value be refunded. However has many of the AUR items are gained from strongbox opening and the total AUR value of those items can be less or more than the purchase value of the key paid to open it (the free keys from mission complicating it even further) it is likely to be less of a hassle to just transfer all the items. SKINS and officer weapons/suits should also be transferred. People have paid AUR to buy the components needed to produce those And again this would just be simpler. BPO suits will be split in due course like the Quafe BPO suits already have. So again the Skins should be transferred and the standard frame BPO as well. These of course should be tradeable in the port so as create more ISK sinks in a zeroed ecomomy BPO weapons both from the Strongboxes and special packs like the Veteran pack should also be transferred including the BPO LAV's. The LAV's should also be tradeable as another ISK sink. Any other BPO in the game, that was purchased from the marketplace such as Militia AR BPO should be refunded. Once those BPO from the Strongboxes and Special Packs are made tradeable there will be a healthy trade in those, providing another ISK sink. The transfer of assets to a new format is important but equally as important is the chance to 'retcon' some elements of the game that are proving problematic, ISK being the prime one. But if and when this happens you can be sure that its going to be a focus of debate between the Community, the CPM and CCP. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
ZED Regent Vader's-Fist 169	Posted - 2015.08.20 19:31:00 - [26] - Quote I'm pretty sure ccp knows the exact amount of aur you ever have bought.... I like Kevall's proposal... Vader's-Fist , soon at a district near you...
Alphen Sere Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.08.28 23:24:00 - [27] - Quote My PS3 died.. No Dust till it comes on PS4 :(
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 603	Posted - 2015.08.29 14:45:00 - [28] - Quote The isk and sp have to be reset for a port to work. New players will not stay in a game with... Well... Just look at current setup ffs.... Having said that, thousands, and yes I would expect bpo/skins to be transferred. Kill the apex line though. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
501st Headstrong 2	Posted - 2015.08.29 15:02:00 - [29] - Quote I just wAnt a port to PS4. I can grind back my SP, Isk. My friends however that are leaving everyday are making all that I have worthless however. In our Character Stats, allow us to have a special tag that says, "Dust 514 veteran", or something like that. BPOS and Aurum should be ported. Kevall's idea is sound to me. You get your boosters back and the new player can buy boosters just as you have for years.
Starlight Burner Black Screen TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 444	Posted - 2015.08.29 15:48:00 - [30] - Quote If I lose the progress and money I've made so far, I won't play DUST or any future version of DUST. You shouldn't punish players like that. I don't like Kervall's idea. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST



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