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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 16:29:00 -
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Where do some people get their "facts"?
I replied to a wtb tiger scout. 38m. Immediately i get a response saying they know for a fact i get them for 20m and i should give them for cost. This is in an open channel btw. I responded with proper facts. I buy and mark up 3mto 5m and sell. I also listed other aspects of my business and explained why i wouldnt sell for 20m. The person became aggitated and said i was harassing them. Another dealer tried to sell them one (40m) and they said theyd have to grind.
At this point im in awe. If they had 20m plus the 15m i gave them why not buy the other guys scout? Maybe they were having isk troubles. Not only did i offer them a job but i sent a tiger scout and said to sell it. My price was cost, 35m. I advised them to use the tiger to make money while selling.
More ranting about how they did not need my isk or help. I just stopped responding as another person became interested in the job. Tyler carl and i chatted about the details of this job oppurtunity and he took an Opus to sell for me.
Meow meow beanz just left with the scout and the 15m despite their claims of not needing anything. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe i have two employees now. Maybe i just gave away a tiger.
The point is unless you stop by my shop and watch me do business dont assume you know anything about me. I have always looked out for the little guy.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 17:11:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Prices fluctuate.
Some people in this game just flat out refuse to move off of certain price points though for whatever reason.
They do fluctuate. This was a deep seated accusation and i did my best to alleviate the hate. I'm not one of those guys that have always had money. I was flat ass broke a month ago. I started my business with a tash murkon m skin. Now I never have to worry about isk again. And i am trying to help my fellow underdogs.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 17:30:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Prices fluctuate.
Some people in this game just flat out refuse to move off of certain price points though for whatever reason. right ? Ppl in esa were trying to sell me a nomad for 50 mil I was like "i don't have 50 mil but I've got 30 and alot of officer stuff if you're willing" of course the ***** said no and i just ended up buying one with aur cause i had extra. Moral of the story is its not worth 50 mil and its not even worth 58,000 aur.
It is worth 42m here.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 18:23:00 -
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Gydian Dubois wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Where do some people get their "facts"?
I replied to a wtb tiger scout. 38m. Immediately i get a response saying they know for a fact i get them for 20m and i should give them for cost. This is in an open channel btw. I responded with proper facts. I buy and mark up 3mto 5m and sell. I also listed other aspects of my business and explained why i wouldnt sell for 20m. The person became aggitated and said i was harassing them. Another dealer tried to sell them one (40m) and they said theyd have to grind.
At this point im in awe. If they had 20m plus the 15m i gave them why not buy the other guys scout? Maybe they were having isk troubles. Not only did i offer them a job but i sent a tiger scout and said to sell it. My price was cost, 35m. I advised them to use the tiger to make money while selling.
More ranting about how they did not need my isk or help. I just stopped responding as another person became interested in the job. Tyler carl and i chatted about the details of this job oppurtunity and he took an Opus to sell for me.
Meow meow beanz just left with the scout and the 15m despite their claims of not needing anything. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe i have two employees now. Maybe i just gave away a tiger.
The point is unless you stop by my shop and watch me do business dont assume you know anything about me. I have always looked out for the little guy. This was in TT wasn't it? Hydra's channel. I have never had a problem with trading with you DS. You're a good guy and a trusted trader who is fair.
Yes. Last night. Thanks. Gydeon, i appreciate the business and positive feedback.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 18:25:00 -
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Xeriphem wrote:I'll trade ya a Republic Warlord for an Imperial Dominus if ha have one.
I do. I charge 2m to swap. 2.5 if you need me to find one for a swap.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 19:00:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Prices fluctuate.
Some people in this game just flat out refuse to move off of certain price points though for whatever reason. right ? Ppl in esa were trying to sell me a nomad for 50 mil I was like "i don't have 50 mil but I've got 30 and alot of officer stuff if you're willing" of course the ***** said no and i just ended up buying one with aur cause i had extra. Moral of the story is its not worth 50 mil and its not even worth 58,000 aur. It is worth 42m here. you mean your selling them for 42 mil? That's still too high I know ppl that sell them for 30 now. Anyway I already have a nomad and really don't need another one what im saying is that 58000 aur is a bit too much even for a bpo if ccp took that extra 8000 aur off and made it cost 50000 itd be a bit more reasonable.
Buy those and sell them to me for 37m. Youd be silly not to.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 19:06:00 -
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Gydian Dubois wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Gydian Dubois wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Where do some people get their "facts"?
I replied to a wtb tiger scout. 38m. Immediately i get a response saying they know for a fact i get them for 20m and i should give them for cost. This is in an open channel btw. I responded with proper facts. I buy and mark up 3mto 5m and sell. I also listed other aspects of my business and explained why i wouldnt sell for 20m. The person became aggitated and said i was harassing them. Another dealer tried to sell them one (40m) and they said theyd have to grind.
At this point im in awe. If they had 20m plus the 15m i gave them why not buy the other guys scout? Maybe they were having isk troubles. Not only did i offer them a job but i sent a tiger scout and said to sell it. My price was cost, 35m. I advised them to use the tiger to make money while selling.
More ranting about how they did not need my isk or help. I just stopped responding as another person became interested in the job. Tyler carl and i chatted about the details of this job oppurtunity and he took an Opus to sell for me.
Meow meow beanz just left with the scout and the 15m despite their claims of not needing anything. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe i have two employees now. Maybe i just gave away a tiger.
The point is unless you stop by my shop and watch me do business dont assume you know anything about me. I have always looked out for the little guy. This was in TT wasn't it? Hydra's channel. I have never had a problem with trading with you DS. You're a good guy and a trusted trader who is fair. Yes. Last night. Thanks. Gydeon, i appreciate the business and positive feedback. Not a problem man. But it's easier to say due to it being true. Not once have I had a problem with you. Now the other you listed, Tyler Carl, I have. He was easy to get a long with until lately.
I'll chat with him. I need level headed traders Gydeon. Are you interested?
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 19:11:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Prices fluctuate.
Some people in this game just flat out refuse to move off of certain price points though for whatever reason. They do fluctuate. This was a deep seated accusation and i did my best to alleviate the hate. I'm not one of those guys that have always had money. I was flat ass broke a month ago. I started my business with a tash murkon m skin. Now I never have to worry about isk again. And i am trying to help my fellow underdogs. Fronting APEX suits to people so they can use them to pay you back is a cool business model tho bruh. The flaw i see in that with this environment is there is no way to really force a return of product if the money isn't generated. Maybe a temporary trade of items can be used to protect yourself from getting burned?
We need to get people past the fear i of being scammed. for the market to flourish.I am acheiving this. Any who want to help are needed. I will have a safe market, even if i have to build it myself.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 19:33:00 -
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Xeriphem wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Xeriphem wrote:I'll trade ya a Republic Warlord for an Imperial Dominus if ha have one. I do. I charge 2m to swap. 2.5 if you need me to find one for a swap. Okay, cool. But 2m for a straight swap? Just to be sure, I'm talking about a Dominus from the LP store, not the aurum APEX version right? Also if you'd rather have something other than a Warlord I can get it for you. Any Republic suit you'd prefer.
Either. The warlord is fine. I need the republic warlord. All i have is apexes. 6pm central is when i'll be on next.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 20:15:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Meow meow beanz just left with the scout and the 15m despite their claims of not needing anything. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe i have two employees now. Maybe i just gave away a tiger. You probably lost your scout and the 15 mil, Sol. Meow Meow is a dumbfuck as far as I'm aware. I had the joy of being in a squad with them a few days ago. They literally talked down to me and said the battles we lost were my fault because I took the time to suggest that the squad lead, or anyone else who wanted to take charge, should use their mic to help us coordinate. According to Meow Meow, us 'mic users should just learn how to play the ******* game' and 'we did fine that one match without the squad lead saying a single word'. I'm not surprised in the slightest Meow Meow tried telling you how to run your business and got pissy when you actually explained why they were wrong, rather than just frantically lowering the price to make a sale.
Its ok. If hes legit cool. If he is a mewling little scum thats cool too. It gives me satisfaction to know something that is nothing to me is so valuable to someone that hates me for no reason other than their own delusion.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 22:01:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Prices fluctuate.
Some people in this game just flat out refuse to move off of certain price points though for whatever reason. They do fluctuate. This was a deep seated accusation and i did my best to alleviate the hate. I'm not one of those guys that have always had money. I was flat ass broke a month ago. I started my business with a tash murkon m skin. Now I never have to worry about isk again. And i am trying to help my fellow underdogs. There are plenty of things to not love about EVE - but cutthroat marketeering isn't one of them. Screw that begging self-entitled scrublet. You're the one with the dropsuit for sale. You set the price. If he doesn't want to pay, whatever...free market... Now figure out a way to sell him a Scout 1-Series non-bpo dropsuit while he happily wins the bargain by sending you 20mil.... It's money! Money matters! When it no longer matters then we're no longer mercs.
Mercs. Money. Hmmmm.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.18 22:12:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Darken if you have another tiger I'll buy it.
I do. Send me a message in game. Or post in my trade threads. I just wanted to vent a little here and bring attention to the matter at hand.
This situation highlights the desparity between income levels. If you are broke i have work. Dont hate, participate. I have bpos and guns i can start people off with. Trading is immensely satisfying once you get past the bullshit.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.19 11:40:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:you say you're selling for 38 mill, as soon as this guy says 'i know for a fact blah blah blah' you should of responded with 'its now 40 mill and tomporrow its 50'
I usually dont hold on to suits for a day.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:21:00 -
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I witnessed something disgusting yesterday. It is the lowest. Iwant to bring attention to the curios case of dents dental. Im making a thread about it soon. Give me your honest opinions.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:04:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:I witnessed something disgusting yesterday. It is the lowest. Iwant to bring attention to the curios case of dents dental. Im making a thread about it soon. Give me your honest opinions. dents dental is an apparent scammer, as soon as moderators return to trello he will be removed
Its true. Dents has scammed.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:13:00 -
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He pops in my trading squads here and there. He is also a little kid. I explained trading to him and why his name is important.
Youd think his dad would have, he plays the game.
Any way he asked how to get his name good. I layed it out that his name is shot. If he wanted to do trade hed have to make amends. I didnt see him for a few weeks. When i did after that he was always doing good business.
People scamm him alot. In broad daylight. Crispy toast just took the kid for 2 apex suits and i wont deal with him anymore. If scamming gets you treated poorly, taking advantage of a child should get you murdered. It does where im from.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.20 13:50:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:kid? look if he's not old enough to be playing Dust then he shouldnt be playing it, if he's old enough to go scamming players hes old enough to taste karma, the kids a scammer, theres no way he can prove that he has paid back the 20mill he stole. i dont condone people scamming him either but as far as i am concerned hes ghost in Trello as soon as possable. If his Dad plays dust then he should of explained it to him as you say but if he had any sense he would burn his clone and start again with lessons learnt
Do what you must. I notice you make no mention of crispy toast. Multiple witnesses plus he brags about scammind dents and terrorist #1. Fucktrello. Its just a buddy system there.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:08:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:kid? look if he's not old enough to be playing Dust then he shouldnt be playing it, if he's old enough to go scamming players hes old enough to taste karma, the kids a scammer, theres no way he can prove that he has paid back the 20mill he stole. i dont condone people scamming him either but as far as i am concerned hes ghost in Trello as soon as possable. If his Dad plays dust then he should of explained it to him as you say but if he had any sense he would burn his clone and start again with lessons learnt Do what you must. I notice you make no mention of crispy toast. Multiple witnesses plus he brags about scammind dents and terrorist #1. Fucktrello. Its just a buddy system there. i have never seen crispy in Trello, as for a 'buddy' system well whatever works, would you rather me reopen player trade and watch everyone get scammed continuously? i have people in trello i wouldnt call buddy yet there great trusted traders. player trade is based on trust and so is Trello Trade. .
I got flagged in trello my first days of trading because i wouldnt sell demonkiller 12 a suit. I messaged jadek to clear my name but he wouldnt respond.
It really doesnt matter. Ive been invited since and wont waste my time. A fake sense of security is worse than a den of theives. I'll take my chances elsewhere.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:30:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:hmm sounds a bit petty, i'll talk to jadek when he logs in
I wouldnt worry about it. Ive established a good name and decent sizeed market myself. I have no need of the trello service. I can bump the thread if you want to read up on it.
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:52:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Prices fluctuate.
Some people in this game just flat out refuse to move off of certain price points though for whatever reason. right ? Ppl in esa were trying to sell me a nomad for 50 mil I was like "i don't have 50 mil but I've got 30 and alot of officer stuff if you're willing" of course the ***** said no and i just ended up buying one with aur cause i had extra. Moral of the story is its not worth 50 mil and its not even worth 58,000 aur. P.S. If anyone has a warlord sent for sale I'll buy it as long as it's a reasonable price Honestly the price depends on whether its aur or lp bought. If its aur bought id say any suit is around the 30 mil mark If its lp bought id say its about 40-42 mil as the person had to work hard to get the lp and on top of that they had to spend 10 mil themselves
It doesnt matter to me whether its AUR or LP. Same price.
Try this once. Take a proto suit and a loyalty suit. Subtract the isk value of LP suit from the normal proto. Divide whats leftover by the LP cost. You should have an accurate isk/lp conversion. I think it was 316 isk per lp.
This is interesting to me because it sets the value of LP apex at around 41.6m. 100k x 316 + 10m cost. Anyone selling for less than that is losing money. This doesnt even factor in the grind or cost of making 100k LP. AUR should be worth more yet.
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