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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:18:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I don't really know why squads have been nerfed.... What was wrong with the old ones? I played with CPM Cross Atu the other day, and he informed us that the 6-man squads were actually interfering with the matchmaking logic. Finally a decent answer. Thanks Simple math threw wrench into matchmaking logic. Think about it for a second. Under 6-Man Squads: -Team of 16 players. -Can only bring 2 squads of 6 players each. -Room for 4 more players left. -If another full squad joined the same match, 2 of their players cannot join the match and get bumped out. -Higher chance of players being bumped out. Under 4-Man fireteams, 8-Man squads, 16-Man platoons: -Team of 16 players. -Can finally bring 4 full fireteams. -Can bring 2 full squads for FW. -Effective team deploy with a full platoon in PC. -Less chance of players being bumped out. Believe it or not, squads use to be 4 players back in the early days of closed beta. It was expanded to 6 players later on because everyone was expecting team sizes to increase as well. But CCP suffered a lot of development setbacks later on and the increase in team size never came. That was under a different Executive Producer.
Never seen more than two squads in pubs
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:25:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Never seen more than two squads in pubs
How do you know if the enemy is squadded or not? Just because they aren't all in the same corp doesn't mean they aren't all in the same squad
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
WoD 514
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:30:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Better matchmaking. Better match quality. Meh, it means higher probability of having cr4ppy blues....
Theoretically, crappy blues should appear more often in the Low Mu queue than the High Mu queue. Either way, a system which serves evenly weighted teams is our best bet at better quality battles.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:30:00 -
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"public contracts for lone mercenaries and small squads."
There is always FW and PC.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:00:00 -
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For the most part the match making bit makes sense. After all if everyone made full squads of 6 like all the vets purpose, no one would ever get into a match. After all 6 does not go into 16 evenly. It required at least some partially full squads or solo players to make a team. Not that I am a huge fan of the new system but 4, 18 and 16 all go into 16 evenly. Plus it helped slightly fix the problem with people joining mid match. When squads of six would join as one group it would devastate the other teams chances of winning.
Not only is the squad of six possibly well organized and willing to work together, but it's 6 people that just joined a match making the teams very uneven in most cases. This lead to 10vs 16 or worse matches.
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:36:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Better matchmaking. Better match quality. Meh, it means higher probability of having cr4ppy blues....
And higher probability of crappy reds? Not sure what your point is. |
YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.08.15 18:46:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Better matchmaking. Better match quality. Meh, it means higher probability of having cr4ppy blues.... And higher probability of crappy reds? Not sure what your point is.
Exactly, I am on the given side, I face boring enemies, for one, two, three battles. I leave Dust after a few months of crappy blues and boring enemies.
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.08.15 18:52:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Better matchmaking. Better match quality. Meh, it means higher probability of having cr4ppy blues.... And higher probability of crappy reds? Not sure what your point is. Exactly, I am on the given side, I face boring enemies, for one, two, three battles. I leave Dust after a few months of crappy blues and boring enemies.
Why not FW or PC then? Sounds like you need a mid- or end-game challenge. |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:59:00 -
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Two reasons. solo players complained was probably the main one. You have no idea how many solo cry babies cheered on the forums when 6 man squads got nerved.
fixing matchmaking was next, but failed on miserably. I explain: This idea was more small squads means a bigger pool of players. what happened is that almost every group of vet players switched to fw to keep their circle of friends that they've played with for years. That left a tiny pool of 4 man squads who are stuck with either dom or ambush with mostly new players because the pool has shrunk tremendously. that's why fw are mostly 16 vs 16 and pubs are 8 vs 14 or lopsided like crazy. Both in terms of player count per team and skill level.
solo scrubs will still defend it though. I don't really understand why, 4 v 1 has the same outcome as 6 v 1 or 8 v 1.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
vote Tesfa for CPM2
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
12
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:43:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote: 4 v 1 has the same outcome as 6 v 1 or 8 v 1.
In Tesfaland, a 4-man squad of vets is as equally potent as a 6 or 8-man squad of vets.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.16 00:33:00 -
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Because it's pubs, matchmakers etc etc. You won't understand it either way.
You can play with up to 16 friends in FW so what's the problem?
Ps. I see dmg made your butt hurt.
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:00:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
1. vet players switched to fw
2. That left a tiny pool of 4 man squads [...] with mostly new players because the pool has shrunk tremendously.
3. that's why [...] pubs are 8 vs 14 (player count)
4. that's why [...] pubs are lopsided like crazy (skill level)
1. Excellent. Mid-game is probably where vets in a game should spend most of their time on average
2. This is great! Pubs favouring newer players :) This is probably where newer players in a game should spend most of their time on average
3. No it's not. They already were, before changes to squad sizes
4. You contradict your 2nd point.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:05:00 -
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They said that limiting squad sizes to for would improve matchmaking.
I didn't.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
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The KTM DuKe
0uter.Heaven
559
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:06:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:The KTM Duke wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Better matchmaking. Better match quality. Meh, it means higher probability of having cr4ppy blues.... Do blues need to carry you? No, but I/ my squad dont have to carry blues. See, DMGs bring as many friends as possible
They still EU though
Selling voice bubbles 24/7
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:04:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:shaman oga wrote:Can't say that all my corp mates are real lion heart, but at least i can play with my corpmates, i wonder why we never see you with O.H squads, maybe they do not want to hear your voice on comms? What do you think about those fw we play in the evening? about those squads in skirm/ dom? You never see me playing in squads because I always play with em in the evening, while in the afternoon I play with other people (Abyss of Universe, Resistance Chimera).
So..
In the mornings, you hide wIth the strongest Asian Corp.. In the evenings you hide behind 0.H 
I'm beginning to see why you turned on Mithril Forge, it must have been hard fighting for a team that could not carry you
SOONtm
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:13:00 -
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At least I can have enjoyable battles on the EU server playing against other EU players. Players from other distant parts of the world create a lot of lag and latency, mind boggling I know! Who would have thought..... 
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 11:15:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:shaman oga wrote:I always thought you were not so smart, but not to this level. Well, if enemies dont take damage with a given weapon, usually switching to another one fix it, it works for me. You are a dmg so? its worse than "being stupid" bring your friends cmon. Waiting for that flame to happen all DMG want to do is camp roofs with officer weapons and still pull average scores, don't try to get any sense from them.
Someone has to put extra work in, seeing as some teammates.. no idea who (I think he made some posts recently)
Just spam equpiment, manage 0 kills, do nothing to control an objective.. then they complain about the teams 
And better yet, faced with a tough match, they back out and screw both teams \o/
Most DMG will attack a team of stompers as much as they will attack a team of random's.
We don't check the scoreboard to know if we should quit in advance like some of you do... a lot.
- Hughes left with his 2000 Alldin's so expect 50% less roof-camping in a pub near you
SOONtm
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.08.16 12:40:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:They said that limiting squad sizes to for would improve matchmaking.
I didn't.
Disagreed.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
85
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Posted - 2015.08.16 12:55:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:shaman oga wrote:Can't say that all my corp mates are real lion heart, but at least i can play with my corpmates, i wonder why we never see you with O.H squads, maybe they do not want to hear your voice on comms? What do you think about those fw we play in the evening? about those squads in skirm/ dom? You never see me playing in squads because I always play with em in the evening, while in the afternoon I play with other people (Abyss of Universe, Resistance Chimera). So.. In the mornings, you hide wIth the strongest Asian Corp.. In the evenings you hide behind 0.H I'm beginning to see why you turned on Mithril Forge, it must have been hard fighting for a team that could not carry you
In the morning, I sleep. In the afternoon, I play with abyss of universe (and we lose games so its not hiding), in the evening I can finally play with my corp. I did not leave Mithril Forge but I have been kicked because I won against them with a squad of T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K . I have never seen a squad of dmg carrying a game... I dont carry games and I'm not carried in games. I try to do whats most useful in a game. Try to compensate what blueberries don't do. Thank you for confirming my dmg theory.
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
85
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Posted - 2015.08.16 12:58:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Because it's pubs, matchmakers etc etc. You won't understand it either way.
You can play with up to 16 friends in FW so what's the problem?
Ps. I see dmg made your butt hurt.
Nah, I just dont like dmg. AI qsyncs made me butthurt. DMG nah.
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.08.16 12:59:00 -
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The KTM Duke wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:The KTM Duke wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Better matchmaking. Better match quality. Meh, it means higher probability of having cr4ppy blues.... Do blues need to carry you? No, but I/ my squad dont have to carry blues. See, DMGs bring as many friends as possible They still EU though
They are eu so? They are better than asians or americans?
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
85
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Posted - 2015.08.16 13:03:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Never seen more than two squads in pubs How do you know if the enemy is squadded or not? Just because they aren't all in the same corp doesn't mean they aren't all in the same squad
Because they play like $hit?
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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Mad Kras
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Posted - 2015.08.16 13:51:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:shaman oga wrote:I always thought you were not so smart, but not to this level. Well, if enemies dont take damage with a given weapon, usually switching to another one fix it, it works for me. You are a dmg so? its worse than "being stupid" bring your friends cmon. Waiting for that flame to happen
I love when people talk crap about your corp when they have nothing to say about you
Look at the actual player instead of looking at his tags, being part of 0.H doesn't make you any better than shaman being in DMG or a random blueberry in a NPC corp and you certainly won't win any debate bringing these arguments.
P.S. You used to be a lot nicer back in Mithril Forge, now I see why your ex-corpmates were talking crap about you.
I'm adD1CKted to you <3
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
85
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:03:00 -
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Mad Kras wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:shaman oga wrote:I always thought you were not so smart, but not to this level. Well, if enemies dont take damage with a given weapon, usually switching to another one fix it, it works for me. You are a dmg so? its worse than "being stupid" bring your friends cmon. Waiting for that flame to happen I love when people talk crap about your corp when they have nothing to say about you Look at the actual player instead of looking at his tags, being part of 0.H doesn't make you any better than shaman being in DMG or a random blueberry in a NPC corp and you certainly won't win any debate bringing these arguments. P.S. You used to be a lot nicer back in Mithril Forge, now I see why your ex-corpmates were talking crap about you.
Maybe I was better in MF but I didnt really care about dust. Now I dont care about what people think about me. Since shaman dude was being arrogant, and I don't want to talk about personal stuff, the only way I could keep the conversation/flame going was talking about his corp. I really enjoy flames. Plus, I know the tag doesn't count. I'm talking about the corp, not the tag. I am proud of my corp not proud of my tag
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:12:00 -
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Ah yes.. he has nothing to say so he's **** talking a Corp.. thanks YUUKI <3
Maybe one day, we will also climb on the bandwagon with another Corp, they we can act like good players to !!
Coming from a guy that ragequits any pub he doesn't like the look of, you make a great critic for us
*YUUKI TERUMI has left the battle*
Is the second most common RQ quit in EU servers, close behind
*Dust Player has left the battle*
SOONtm
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Mad Kras
330
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:22:00 -
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Doing something just for the purpose of doing it is childish and by tags I meant corps. It's good that you're proud of your corp but as I said before it doesn't make you any better nor gives you the right to be disrespectful towards my corp.
I'm adD1CKted to you <3
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:40:00 -
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Mad Kras wrote:Doing something just for the purpose of doing it is childish and by tags I meant corps. It's good that you're proud of your corp but as I said before it doesn't make you any better nor gives you the right to be disrespectful towards my corp.
But KD brah....
Anyway.. he knows shaman would wreck him 1v1.. so he's just trying to lure DMG into a clusterf*ck
Which works by the way..
Kras "Some YUUKI guy is talikng about your mother on the forums"
D1CK "No one talks about that *****!"
Kras "That exactly what he was talking about"
D1CK "Oh.. well mother doesn't like it when I get involved with customers"
Kras "Dafuq?"
D1CK "MY MOTHERS NOT A *****"
*I punch Kras* *Kras kicks Shaman* *gogenks laughs* *shaman teabags gogenks*
*D1CK goes back to his merc quarter to mix Vodka and Quafe and dream of being a kool kid like YUUKI...*
DMG love to fight, you provide flames, we bring more fuel 
SOONtm
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
Smart Deploy
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:43:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Louis Domi wrote:To reduce stomps? I thought it was for this reason Why? Because people dont wanna wait to fill their squad and complain about 4 vs 6? Meh
Why exactly are you complaining? Has the change in squad size had a negative impact on your gameplay? |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:56:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:
1. vet players switched to fw
2. That left a tiny pool of 4 man squads [...] with mostly new players because the pool has shrunk tremendously.
3. that's why [...] pubs are 8 vs 14 (player count)
4. that's why [...] pubs are lopsided like crazy (skill level)
1. Excellent. Mid-game is probably where vets in a game should spend most of their time on average 2. This is great! Pubs favouring newer players :) This is probably where newer players in a game should spend most of their time on average 3. No it's not. They already were, before changes to squad sizes 4. You contradict your 2nd point.
1: not excellent because skirmish is the only fw mode. its not mid-game at all, still a pub match with more pub stomp syncs, no matchmaking. The concept of separating vets from newbies is good, the implementation of it failed. fw is not mid game. pubs with different reward.
2 .pubs still do not favor new players. There isn't the numbers to pair noobs vs noobs, or for isk grinders like myself (you cant buy incubi with lp) to face other vets. so you have mixed teams of high sp vets and large numbers of npc Corp players. since most of the skirmish players do fw, that just throws the new players into doms or bush where they get stomped out of the game.
3.there were some issues but since the change to squad sizes that issue has been cemented in place. It's gotten worse not better.
4. its not a contradiction. In pubs noobs are paired off against my squad. Scotty is making up the numbers because any group of 5 or more vets has to play fw. Most pools of vets I should be fighting are in fw because 5 friends are on and want to play dust.. any vets that run pubs are facing lower Sp players.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
vote Tesfa for CPM2
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Mad Kras
331
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:59:00 -
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Kaizuka Sniper is the D1CK'S alt
I'm adD1CKted to you <3
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