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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2015.08.12 19:54:00 -
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...for making vehicle gameplay the most frustrating, enraging and dissatisfying gameplay experience I have ever encountered.
In no other game can you die so cheaply, so easily and so pointlessly as in dust 51-bloody-4.
Land your python a tad to roughly. DEAD
Get rammed by a bumper gorgon because he didn't show up on the mini map in time. DEAD.
Open your map whilst in a caldari tank . Oh wow iv'e passed through the ground! DEAD.
Get ganked by two minmandos who fill the local air space with loads of little missiles that may or may not be invisible for some reason and that I also can't hit cause dat strafing. DEAD.
Get shot out of the sky like a fish in a barrel by a dude with a forge gun. DEAD.
Get hit by swarms whilst tilting forward in dropship. *Gets flipped upside down then hits into ground*. DEAD.
Tries to reverse out of unlikely to survive in area. Can't see where i'm going because of turret rotation and gets stuck on corner of a building and then can't tank the swarms even though i'm a tank and DEAD.
Drive a caldari tank down a hill and explode. (this really is a thing people). DEAD.
Drive LAV past swarmer. DEAD.
Tap tank with LAV. DEAD.
Tap dropship with ADS. DEAD.
Fly into path of MCC missile that was just to the left or right of your view. DEAD.
None rendering ganking swarmers with none rendering swarms + no god damn lock on warning. DEAD.
The redline seems much more constricting these days. *Gets tank stuck in redline*. DEAD.
And for all this dying what would the rewards be? Perhaps a good looking enough K/D, but not a very healthy wallet. More than likely due to unsustainable expenditure for then reasons listed above. (And screw K/D anyway). A tanker is pretty weak really. Without proper infantry support to distract any minmando looking to ruin your day more than likely you wont get very many kills. An infantry that knows you're pointing at them is, presuming their somewhat intelligent , going to probably not die.
I mean if there's an AVer on a rooftop and I'm in a tank chances are I'm not gonna kill them unless I get a lucky hit with a rail turret. Frustrating as hell.
I have been playing this game since closed beta. Since Mordu's trials. And there have been times when vehicles where fun an enjoyable to pilot. When AV wasn't over powered like it is now. And it is overpowered. Why on earth was the ADS nerfed and swarms buffed in hotfix delta Rattati? What were you thinking? Was it the K/D statistics? You NEVER balance something on raw statistics. That's also why assault Scrambler rifles are now overpowered. I've been using those guns since before they got over-buffed.
My proposals
Lock-on warnings for swarms.
2 volleys for swarms. ( In other games you have just 1 shot per clip )
Reduce speed of swarms (just a little).
Reduce travel distance for swarms. ( There's no reason they should force you back into your own redline. )
Reduce recharge time of AB to pre hot-fix delta. As it currently stands if prevents ADS pilots from playing aggressively.
Bring back ALL the old vehicles with most of the old stats.
Remove the PRO and ADV tier tanks.
Remove Marduk and Gladius. Allow us to remove small turrets on maddys and gunlogis again.
Double dropship RoF bonuses.
Bring back most of the old vehicle skill tree and old modules.
Make it so that heavy weapons can only look up 60 degrees. Otherwise the forgegunners have an unfair advantage over ADS's.
Allow for a third small turret slot on HAVs. One that the pilot controls and can change to by pressing X.
Remove vehicle collision damage cuz it's stupid... really stupid.
When I open the killboard I don't want the the map opening in the background and I don't want my cal tank falling through the ground when I open the map.
Now CCP if you aren't able to write the code for what has been proposed here then you shouldn't be in the game development profession. I'm aware that you struggle to sow some actual quality onto your efforts with this game but what I'm proposing here ain't all that hard to do. Trust me I know. It's just a case of reusing assets you've already created that are probably lying around on a hard drive somewhere in your offices.
So if you could just get up of your lazy arses and do exactly what I'm saying here then the game could be super awesome by next month.
Thank you.
P.S. To you AV fanatics. Go play CoD. Yeah take that.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.12 20:51:00 -
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CPP, coding, doing their job..Properly.. These words don't go along.
Ps. I would also add all these vehicle destructions because of RDV. Either it will drop your A/DS from 100m or it gets stuck (free wp for enemy)
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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hails8n
DEATH BY DESTRUCTION
420
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:24:00 -
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AI auto aim rail turret. Dead.
"Make America Great Again"
Donald Trump 2016
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Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:29:00 -
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LAVs are terrible now. Especially Cal LAVS.
I really believe vehicles were fine, But back then AV wasn't so popular. Almost no one had it and the few that did will say the weapons worked just fine. The problem back then was the majority of players were using Standard AV against any vehicle mostly. They had no chance vs a seasoned Sagaris/Surya pilot. But nowadays AV is EVERYWHERE. Almost everyone has a strong AV fit and AV today does 10 times better than it did. AVers have the ability now to solo enemy vehicles, Mainly due to the lack of active or passive resistances we used to have. Tanks need to be put back where they were. So do LAVS and Dropships. The AV now is strong enough to challenge.
Also, Instead of nerfing armor tanks or giving ANY vehicle a nerf, You should make armor repair active again. Armor benefits way too much from having passive repair. But if you did this, You need to give us our modules back to help us mitigate damage we take. Active Shield/Armor Hardeners are a cheap, Stupid damage mitigation technique. They only provide one path for you in EVERY engagement. Its just too 1,2,3 right now.
Shields across the board are just too easy to destroy. Shield VS Armor hardeners is just crazy. Armor hardeners last longer and have a fast recycle. Shield tanks are not good Anti-Vehicle tanks at all right now. They are only good at Anti-AV cause shield tanks benefit from a natural resistance vs most AV weapons.
Now again I say I have no problem with Anti-Vehicle weaponry right now. I just have a problem with the vehicles and their inability to specialize in a role for the team. I have a problem with their inability to mitigate damage and having 1,2,3 fits. I have a problem with the vast amount of glitches that have been addressed and never handled. I have a problem with today's Vehicle Pilot -- A one trick pony that is forced into running infantry because of the lack of belonging piloting has in this game.
Recent studies show that staring at a green apple changes the likelihood of all ravens being black.
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Louis Domi
Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:49:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:CPP, coding, doing their job..Properly.. These words don't go along.
Ps. I would also add all these vehicle destructions because of RDV. Either it will drop your A/DS from 100m or it gets stuck (free wp for enemy)
We should be able to sue the RDV company for such poor work... Pay for my ADS and more.
Bring back old flying LAVs
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hails8n
DEATH BY DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:55:00 -
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Just so you know, lavs were nerfed to save the new tanks from being jihaded. Just the usual Ccp triple buff then Nerf its counter. Like when Assault drop ships were triple nerfed then swarms buffed all in the same update.
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Donald Trump 2016
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WyrmHero1945
Finesse Soldiers
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:16:00 -
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I remember the Caldari Logi LAV's. They were amazing! |
Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:21:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:I remember the Caldari Logi LAV's. They were amazing!
Charybdis. Never forget it.
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Louis Domi
Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time
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Posted - 2015.08.13 01:41:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I remember the Caldari Logi LAV's. They were amazing! Charybdis. Never forget it.
Like driving on sunshine. Sunshine that killed everyone in its path, Sunshine that was able to take down tanks the legit way(One driver one gunner, doing circles around the tank, just like how daddy liked).. **** CCP for getting rid of them, They were the best every just because of the murder taxi stuff? They ******* fixed the running over **** the same day they took off the extra vehicle variants. Bitches the lot of them. Now we got alot of unbalanced stuff, everyone seems fine with it though, and no new features coming in, lots of people quiting, I'm not getting a ps4 or a PC anytime soon, PS PLUS is crap with crappy games and my subscription ends in 2 days, so bye to the majority of my games, I've finished, like 20 out of the 60 games... Most of them were boring indie games though... So... I mean a couple of them were good, in the earlier days of ps plus where they gave Borderlands 2, dragons dogma, Metro last light, saints row, battlefield 3, and others. Now it's just indie after indie(don't get me wrong I like some Indies, but most of these they give are just boring as hell..) School starts in 2 weeks so I guess that stupid **** will keep me busy. Oh I almost forgot I have Mass effect 1... Ofcourse I bought that with my own money, but I have not even delved into the game... So I guess it'll just be netflix, dust, and school for a while until ps4 time...
Wait how did I go off on a tangent like that? wasn't I talking about sunshine? Why was I talking about sunshine? Oh **** nvm this whole thing was about the Cal LLAV.. Yeah though... Bring them back
Bring back old flying LAVs
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abdullah muzaffar
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.13 03:08:00 -
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#3 applies to all vehicles, and only happens inside certain sockets. Have you ever flied a DS underground before?
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2015.08.13 15:49:00 -
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abdullah muzaffar wrote:#3 applies to all vehicles, and only happens inside certain sockets. Have you ever flied a DS underground before?
is it possible? that would actually be cool.
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501st Headstrong
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.08.13 16:10:00 -
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I don't even vehicle but I would totally dump SP into them if they brought back all the old variants. Such a shame to see some die hard Caldari Pilots using Gallente tech because Armor just is too good :(
Agreed with everything you said
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.08.13 17:01:00 -
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The key to making vehicles still note worthy on a field of battle is to be the dmg sponge. I run a tank with stacks of armor and I use my logi. The other two seats of the tank are occupied by slayers. I jump behind my tank and rep tool that beast while the two gunners pop in and out killing everyone around them. Try it! The only danger is me getting shot. Sometimes I bring in my AHMG fitting and lay down some death too.
Then another tank shows up and one of us jumps in and rail gun exchanges shots and the other two pound that tank. AV shows up and my assault buddy eats that minmando with a SCR or RR.
Learn to be more than a one man killing spree and vehicles still have a role. I do wish that LAVs weren't made of paper though. I drop my blue print in to lure people out because driving it is deadly.
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Count- -Crotchula
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.13 17:13:00 -
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my proto breach forge says hi
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2015.08.13 17:40:00 -
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Balistyc Farshot wrote:The key to making vehicles still note worthy on a field of battle is to be the dmg sponge. I run a tank with stacks of armor and I use my logi. The other two seats of the tank are occupied by slayers. I jump behind my tank and rep tool that beast while the two gunners pop in and out killing everyone around them. Try it! The only danger is me getting shot. Sometimes I bring in my AHMG fitting and lay down some death too.
Then another tank shows up and one of us jumps in and rail gun exchanges shots and the other two pound that tank. AV shows up and my assault buddy eats that minmando with a SCR or RR.
Learn to be more than a one man killing spree and vehicles still have a role. I do wish that LAVs weren't made of paper though. I drop my blue print in to lure people out because driving it is deadly.
How am I supposed to do that when in a dropship?
My frustration when in a tank is not so much the swarms themselves, rather the ineffectiveness of the tank cannon on strafing infantry.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.13 18:11:00 -
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I could think of at least two more....
Drive LAV over seemingly flat ground / road surface junction - Flips / Possible DEAD.
Drive HAV behind that certain section of the 'Mushroom' outpost - DEAD Guaranteed DEAD!
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.13 18:13:00 -
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Balistyc Farshot wrote:The key to making vehicles still note worthy on a field of battle is to be the dmg sponge. I run a tank with stacks of armor and I use my logi. The other two seats of the tank are occupied by slayers. I jump behind my tank and rep tool that beast while the two gunners pop in and out killing everyone around them. Try it! The only danger is me getting shot. Sometimes I bring in my AHMG fitting and lay down some death too.
Then another tank shows up and one of us jumps in and rail gun exchanges shots and the other two pound that tank. AV shows up and my assault buddy eats that minmando with a SCR or RR.
Learn to be more than a one man killing spree and vehicles still have a role. I do wish that LAVs weren't made of paper though. I drop my blue print in to lure people out because driving it is deadly.
You're talking about some next level Pro Korean Starcraft levels of micro, using the vehicle as additionl hp tank, in out shoot in out etc.... I like the idea, I really do.
Does it work in practice?
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 04:48:00 -
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Toobar Zoobar wrote:abdullah muzaffar wrote:#3 applies to all vehicles, and only happens inside certain sockets. Have you ever flied a DS underground before? is it possible? that would actually be cool.
the fact that you asked that let me know all i need to know about your piloting skills
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james selim brownstein
BAD SANTA'S SCHOOL 4 SCOUNDRELS
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Posted - 2015.08.14 04:59:00 -
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thank u for making this POST! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, im gonna have some fun with this!
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Leovarian L Lavitz
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.08.14 07:25:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Balistyc Farshot wrote:The key to making vehicles still note worthy on a field of battle is to be the dmg sponge. I run a tank with stacks of armor and I use my logi. The other two seats of the tank are occupied by slayers. I jump behind my tank and rep tool that beast while the two gunners pop in and out killing everyone around them. Try it! The only danger is me getting shot. Sometimes I bring in my AHMG fitting and lay down some death too.
Then another tank shows up and one of us jumps in and rail gun exchanges shots and the other two pound that tank. AV shows up and my assault buddy eats that minmando with a SCR or RR.
Learn to be more than a one man killing spree and vehicles still have a role. I do wish that LAVs weren't made of paper though. I drop my blue print in to lure people out because driving it is deadly. You're talking about some next level Pro Korean Starcraft levels of micro, using the vehicle as additionl hp tank, in out shoot in out etc.... I like the idea, I really do. Does it work in practice?
Fit the ******* Lavs and they are hardy as hell
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.14 07:46:00 -
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TL;DR: CCP make vehicles godmode please. It's unfair that infantry plebes can gang up and kill me.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
638
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Posted - 2015.08.14 10:04:00 -
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Your forgetting
Call incubus, fly high above the objective. Wait 1-2minutea then descend. Get 1-2 shotted by ****** that decided he wouldn't leave the redline. Whistle you fall to your death accidently hit the ads below you
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Diablo Gamekeeper
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.14 10:17:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:CPP, coding, doing their job..Properly.. These words don't go along.
Ps. I would also add all these vehicle destructions because of RDV. Either it will drop your A/DS from 100m or it gets stuck (free wp for enemy)
Or it comes out of nowhere and crashes into you r dropship while still invisible and causes your team the match -.-
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I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2015.08.14 15:53:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:TL;DR: CCP make vehicles godmode please. It's unfair that infantry plebes can gang up and kill me.
Yay here come the AV trolls with there infallible, impossible to argue with arguments. Thank you for trying the maliciously hijack my thread, again.
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
134
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Posted - 2015.08.14 15:58:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Toobar Zoobar wrote:abdullah muzaffar wrote:#3 applies to all vehicles, and only happens inside certain sockets. Have you ever flied a DS underground before? is it possible? that would actually be cool. the fact that you asked that let me know all i need to know about your piloting skills
All you need to know. Right. Right. IDK, you sound either stupid or stoned to me.
Look you either come here and lay down a logical argument or GTFO.
Specialization: Making typo's.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:00:00 -
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Toobar Zoobar wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:TL;DR: CCP make vehicles godmode please. It's unfair that infantry plebes can gang up and kill me. Yay here come the AV trolls with there infallible, impossible to argue with arguments. Thank you for trying the maliciously hijack my thread, again.
You're welcome.
I have absolutely no respect for the arguments placed in the OP.
"ZOMG TEH INFANTREEZ KAN GANG UP AND KILLZ MAI TANK! IZ UNFAIR THAT THEY CAN GANG UP 6 TO 1 AND ABSOLUTELY BUTCHER MEEEEEEE"
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
134
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:03:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Toobar Zoobar wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:TL;DR: CCP make vehicles godmode please. It's unfair that infantry plebes can gang up and kill me. Yay here come the AV trolls with there infallible, impossible to argue with arguments. Thank you for trying the maliciously hijack my thread, again. You're welcome. I have absolutely no respect for the arguments placed in the OP. "ZOMG TEH INFANTREEZ KAN GANG UP AND KILLZ MAI TANK! IZ UNFAIR THAT THEY CAN GANG UP 6 TO 1 AND ABSOLUTELY BUTCHER MEEEEEEE"
I can see you have no respect. Respect is an alien concept to you, obviously.
You admitted yourself you didn't even read it.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:06:00 -
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Toobar Zoobar wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Toobar Zoobar wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:TL;DR: CCP make vehicles godmode please. It's unfair that infantry plebes can gang up and kill me. Yay here come the AV trolls with there infallible, impossible to argue with arguments. Thank you for trying the maliciously hijack my thread, again. You're welcome. I have absolutely no respect for the arguments placed in the OP. "ZOMG TEH INFANTREEZ KAN GANG UP AND KILLZ MAI TANK! IZ UNFAIR THAT THEY CAN GANG UP 6 TO 1 AND ABSOLUTELY BUTCHER MEEEEEEE" I can see you have no respect. Respect is an alien concept to you, obviously. You admitted yourself you didn't even read it.
I read it. Everything you posted there, when added up = Vehicle easy mode.
Your ideas are the opposite of balance, and geared to making sure that vehicle play is fun for the drivers... and no one else.
That's quite bluntly a list of changes I'd expect to see spkr4thedead to put forth as reasonable.
Congratulations, the salty tears from your OP will sustain me for months.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
134
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Toobar Zoobar wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Toobar Zoobar wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:TL;DR: CCP make vehicles godmode please. It's unfair that infantry plebes can gang up and kill me. Yay here come the AV trolls with there infallible, impossible to argue with arguments. Thank you for trying the maliciously hijack my thread, again. You're welcome. I have absolutely no respect for the arguments placed in the OP. "ZOMG TEH INFANTREEZ KAN GANG UP AND KILLZ MAI TANK! IZ UNFAIR THAT THEY CAN GANG UP 6 TO 1 AND ABSOLUTELY BUTCHER MEEEEEEE" I can see you have no respect. Respect is an alien concept to you, obviously. You admitted yourself you didn't even read it. I read it. Everything you posted there, when added up = Vehicle easy mode. Your ideas are the opposite of balance, and geared to making sure that vehicle play is fun for the drivers... and no one else. That's quite bluntly a list of changes I'd expect to see spkr4thedead to put forth as reasonable. Congratulations, the salty tears from your OP will sustain me for months.
Most of what I complained about were glitches. Swarms not rendering. AVers not rendering. Vehicles exploding for no reason.
Much of what I proposed was getting dust on par with other games such as battlefield in terms of vehicle AV balance. Lock on warnings. Reduced clip size for rocket launchers (swarms). More effective AI weapons.
The mounted HMG in battlefield is like an automatic sniper. I proposed giving the pilot the option the switch the a smaller more suitable weapon to take out infantry with without switching seat, like in battlefield.
All of what I proposed was fair and reasonable. If you are unable to see that, there is something wrong with you.
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Blue Cannibal
Gray Haired Slayers
14
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:25:00 -
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If at first you don't succeed try again but maybe you should try a different way....
I love when the same guy drops a vehicle same place, same kind, same everthing...
and guess what... you better believe that vehicle is gonna go up in smoke... again!!!
Preferable with the guy in it but you cant be too choosy....
Also there is some awesome tankers and pilots out there and I would totally love to give you guys that are a quick shout out and your due cuz this guy just aint up to par with ya! You will get there blueberry you will get there just keep skilling up and learning from your mistakes.
It's a blue blue world...
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