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Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 178	Posted - 2015.08.09 20:02:00 - [1] - Quote Sure I'm sure tankers would blow a gasket getting punched to death by a jumpy commando fit but still. Your out of ammo and a tank is trying to run you over and you punch it. Despite your melee attack doing 100+ dmg it does nothing to the tank at all. You can knife a tank to death, you can shoot it with a sub machine gun (if it's a shield tank and lost shields at least), heck some times they blow up from a flux grenade for reasons I can't understand (even the kill feed says flux grenade). But punching does no dmg to vehicles or installations.... Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
zazu 51 Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.08.09 20:08:00 - [2] - Quote I wanna know why your not allowed to punch a baby? I mean really? They can be so damn annoying sometimes
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 389	Posted - 2015.08.09 20:13:00 - [3] - Quote zazu 51 wrote: I wanna know why your not allowed to punch a baby? I mean really? They can be so damn annoying sometimes You can punch babies. Having kids is a great stress reducer. For example...dust aggrivates me...I punch one of my kids. Boom I instantly feel better. We should be able to fist vehicles especially if nova knives can do damage.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.08.09 20:15:00 - [4] - Quote Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. CEO of 48SOF Assault Gk.0-Scout Gk.0
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 389	Posted - 2015.08.09 20:29:00 - [5] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces 539	Posted - 2015.08.09 20:47:00 - [6] - Quote I see no problem being able to melee vehicles there's sometimes when I have no red to throw so why can't my scout hit a lav to blow it up? Even if commandos hit the tank with that much damage it won't matter they're still faster than the comandos with swarms or plcs just don't let one get on you. Duct tape fixes everything from weapons to suits and even tanks.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 179	Posted - 2015.08.09 21:28:00 - [7] - Quote The only real problem I think vs vehicles would be just how fast you can throw a punch. To counter that all they would have to do is raise the stamina cost of punching, or slow down how fast you can pull them off in a row. That said yeah even the top o the line commando suit does less than proto AV grenades. Not to mention the way the road kill mechanics work it's iffy getting that close to tank to begin with. Some times a near full speed vehicle clips you and you just take dmg, other times it basically sits on you and you die from an immobile object. DS love to do this, basically land on you and nudge you to death in a thousand small hits. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.08.09 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote because nova knives were implemented due to the fact the charge could melt the armor and shields a simple strong punch to the back of a tank wouldnt do much other than hurt yourself or some loose wires hanging out at the most you could pop open a single panel with a massive punch 18.8m SP...
NINEinch WEAPON WarRavens 169	Posted - 2015.08.09 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ Hep metabolic enhancers "winning" an inch at a time
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.09 21:46:00 - [10] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Sure I'm sure tankers would blow a gasket getting punched to death by a jumpy commando fit but still. Your out of ammo and a tank is trying to run you over and you punch it. Despite your melee attack doing 100+ dmg it does nothing to the tank at all. You can knife a tank to death, you can shoot it with a sub machine gun (if it's a shield tank and lost shields at least), heck some times they blow up from a flux grenade for reasons I can't understand (even the kill feed says flux grenade). But punching does no dmg to vehicles or installations.... You'd break your metal reinforced bones even attempting to punch through tank armour powered exoskeleton or no. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.

Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1	Posted - 2015.08.09 22:14:00 - [11] - Quote NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ Hep metabolic enhancers Are you trying to make a point? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Mad Kras 312	Posted - 2015.08.09 22:39:00 - [12] - Quote You can destroy vehicles with Nova Knives because they have some plasma stuff on their blades that makes them Miracle Blade sharp, read the description for a more detailed overview About melee: I agree with True Adamance I'm aD1CKted to you <3
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.09 23:31:00 - [13] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ "its ONLY enough to 1shot a sentinel - quit being a baby!" "I can ONLY leap over cover and attack in all sorts of unconventional manners!" Myo's are unbalanced and need nerfing. Their jump and melee increases need to be flat values, this 412.51% increased melee damage and god knows what (because no stacking penalty and nonlinear translation of jump speed to actual height HURRRRR) increased jump values are unbalanced. I have no issue with 400ish melee damage, but anything higher than 500 breaks the game. "Well what about nova knives!" they take up a sidearm slot and don't give you any increased movement attributes. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 965	Posted - 2015.08.09 23:40:00 - [14] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ There is, in fact, a head shot damage multiplier for melee hits. So if you hit someone in the head with melee, it does a lot more damage ;) The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 396	Posted - 2015.08.09 23:41:00 - [15] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ "its ONLY enough to 1shot a sentinel - quit being a baby!" "I can ONLY leap over cover and attack in all sorts of unconventional manners!" Myo's are unbalanced and need nerfing. Their jump and melee increases need to be flat values, this 412.51% increased melee damage and god knows what (because no stacking penalty and nonlinear translation of jump speed to actual height HURRRRR) increased jump values are unbalanced. I have no issue with 400ish melee damage, but anything higher than 500 breaks the game. "Well what about nova knives!" they take up a sidearm slot and don't give you any increased movement attributes. Your mouth and whining need nerfing
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 396	Posted - 2015.08.09 23:44:00 - [16] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ "its ONLY enough to 1shot a sentinel - quit being a baby!" "I can ONLY leap over cover and attack in all sorts of unconventional manners!" Myo's are unbalanced and need nerfing. Their jump and melee increases need to be flat values, this 412.51% increased melee damage and god knows what (because no stacking penalty and nonlinear translation of jump speed to actual height HURRRRR) increased jump values are unbalanced. I have no issue with 400ish melee damage, but anything higher than 500 breaks the game. "Well what about nova knives!" they take up a sidearm slot and don't give you any increased movement attributes. Your justification that knives take up 1 slot is bs. Too reach 1230 punch power takes 3 slots. Not to mention your are forfeiting hp or dmg mods for the punch power.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 965	Posted - 2015.08.09 23:44:00 - [17] - Quote I think you should be able to punch takes to death but only in their critical hit spot. It would make sense, clone crushing punches should at least do some damage to the tanks most sensitive area. The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.08.10 00:16:00 - [18] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ It is? Oh. Well, I barely managed to even remember what it was, I just know that it was 1k+ damage. Te most o remembered that match was losing a Rattati to a warbarge strike made to take me and only me out. CEO of 48SOF Assault Gk.0-Scout Gk.0
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.08.10 00:21:00 - [19] - Quote I really dont know how someone in a metal suit, even on meth and god knows what other illegal drugs some clones are on, should be able to not only ohk another clone in a metal suit WITH EASE and not hurt himself. For heavens sake, you snag metal to metal and you got an issue. YOU PUNCH METLP WITH METAL AND YOU BREAK A HAND. I thing that myofibs need a nerf AND they should do a little bit of damage to user. Idk like 5% per myofib for a max of 15% return damage. CEO of 48SOF Assault Gk.0-Scout Gk.0
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Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.10 02:32:00 - [21] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: zazu 51 wrote: I wanna know why your not allowed to punch a baby? I mean really? They can be so damn annoying sometimes You can punch babies. Having kids is a great stress reducer. For example...dust aggrivates me...I punch one of my kids. Boom I instantly feel better. We should be able to fist vehicles especially if nova knives can do damage. Just because you can doesn't mean you should... ... Like, existing, for example. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven 606	Posted - 2015.08.10 02:35:00 - [22] - Quote I totally agree. You should be able to punch vehicles. As long as CCP brings in a limb status system like in Fallout. 1 punch earns -5% reload speed for a broken wrist. Recent studies show that staring at a green apple changes the likelihood of all ravens being black.
DeadlyAztec11 8	Posted - 2015.08.10 03:57:00 - [23] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I really dont know how someone in a metal suit, even on meth and god knows what other illegal drugs some clones are on, should be able to not only ohk another clone in a metal suit WITH EASE and not hurt himself. For heavens sake, you snag metal to metal and you got an issue. YOU PUNCH METLP WITH METAL AND YOU BREAK A HAND. I thing that myofibs need a nerf AND they should do a little bit of damage to user. Idk like 5% per myofib for a max of 15% return damage. We are not wearing knight's armor. We are wearing exoskeletons with servos that allow us to support not only our own bodies, but our equipment and allow us to redirect the damage to our bodies. A normal person would experience the trauma of of a punch through their skin, muscles and bones. With an exoskeleton you could redirect the force through a gauntlet, up the ferro muscle of your arm and through the entire suit. Granted, that as you start taking in drugs like Myofibril Stimulants you your suit would have to be readjusted to withstand the impact though I have a theory that punches in Dust 514 work a but differently then normal punches in real life. I think that the gauntlet temporarily expands, ever so slightly, so that the momentum of your actual hand continues, though only the gauntlet hits. That way you aren't instantly receiving the force through your hand. Though, our clones have tougher, and lighter, bones than we do. They also have a numbed sense of pain. Now, if you punch a wall it hurts a lot. If a Dust Clone punched a wall, even without a gauntlet, it would probably feel as painful as a hard high five. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 365	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:06:00 - [24] - Quote Suits have a lot less material and space between the force of the punch and the squishy bit inside... Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:13:00 - [25] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Your justification that knives take up 1 slot is bs. Too reach 1230 punch power takes 3 slots. Not to mention your are forfeiting hp or dmg mods for the punch power. If myo's allow you to oneshot a sentinel they unequivocally ARE damage mods. You are doing more damage than you were before = damage mod. They are damage mods that ALSO provide an unbelievable advantage in terms of how you move around a map. If you're armor tanking your suit low cpu & moderate pg use, which compliments well with myo's low pg use and moderate cpu use (No, its not high, 90 CPU for a complex energizer is high) you're not 'making' a trade of hp. "Wow I'm totally trading all those HP mods that I couldn't fit because they cost 10+ powergrid per one". Knives = No non-melee sidearm, no movement advantages, high damage at short range. Myos = "no damage mods" (fallacy, myo's are damage mods), "No hp mods" (fallacy, people who run myo's armor tank their suits), incredible increases in variety of movement, the ability to oneshot people at close range, the ability to strafe straight upwards via a button press. Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 402	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:19:00 - [26] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I really dont know how someone in a metal suit, even on meth and god knows what other illegal drugs some clones are on, should be able to not only ohk another clone in a metal suit WITH EASE and not hurt himself. For heavens sake, you snag metal to metal and you got an issue. YOU PUNCH METLP WITH METAL AND YOU BREAK A HAND. I thing that myofibs need a nerf AND they should do a little bit of damage to user. Idk like 5% per myofib for a max of 15% return damage. And here I thought you were a Minmatar fan. There suits are made from scraps and duct tape.
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 402	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:23:00 - [27] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Your justification that knives take up 1 slot is bs. Too reach 1230 punch power takes 3 slots. Not to mention your are forfeiting hp or dmg mods for the punch power. If myo's allow you to oneshot a sentinel they unequivocally ARE damage mods. You are doing more damage than you were before = damage mod. They are damage mods that ALSO provide an unbelievable advantage in terms of how you move around a map. If you're armor tanking your suit low cpu & moderate pg use, which compliments well with myo's low pg use and moderate cpu use (No, its not high, 90 CPU for a complex energizer is high) you're not 'making' a trade of hp. "Wow I'm totally trading all those HP mods that I couldn't fit because they cost 10+ powergrid per one". Knives = No non-melee sidearm, no movement advantages, high damage at short range. Myos = "no damage mods" (fallacy, myo's are damage mods), "No hp mods" (fallacy, people who run myo's armor tank their suits), incredible increases in variety of movement, the ability to oneshot people at close range, the ability to strafe straight upwards via a button press. Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. Just because you spin the story to fit into your perverted box doesn't mean it's true. Stop your whiny naggy behavior Tina. Your vagina is showing
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:28:00 - [28] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I really dont know how someone in a metal suit, even on meth and god knows what other illegal drugs some clones are on, should be able to not only ohk another clone in a metal suit WITH EASE and not hurt himself. For heavens sake, you snag metal to metal and you got an issue. YOU PUNCH METLP WITH METAL AND YOU BREAK A HAND. I thing that myofibs need a nerf AND they should do a little bit of damage to user. Idk like 5% per myofib for a max of 15% return damage. And here I thought you were a Minmatar fan. There suits are made from scraps and duct tape. I get the feeling just trying to punch armour mercenary to death you probably leave your arms with multiple fractures or breaks. Now even if you couldn't feel that, because as clones our sense of pain is very much so dulled, your body would not function quite correctly. That being said I've not read Templar One so I've not come across a serious explanation as to how the nanites inside clone bodies work nor if the fields given off by Nanohives affect our internal organs. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:30:00 - [29] - Quote Still working hard on that ban from the forums I see. "Lol ** u" isn't an argument that disproves anything I've said. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 403	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:35:00 - [30] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Still working hard on that ban from the forums I see. "Lol **** u" isn't an argument that disproves anything I've said. You are so adorable Tina. Do you really think a ban is going to hurt ? It's an alt..that's what they are for. Gg Tina

Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 04:40:00 - [31] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Still working hard on that ban from the forums I see. "Lol ** u" isn't an argument that disproves anything I've said. You are so adorable Tina. Do you really think a ban is going to hurt ? It's an alt..that's what they are for. Gg Tina Actually, yeah, I'm pretty sure it will hurt you, because you'll be forced to concede the argument. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 407	Posted - 2015.08.10 05:02:00 - [32] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Still working hard on that ban from the forums I see. "Lol **** u" isn't an argument that disproves anything I've said. You are so adorable Tina. Do you really think a ban is going to hurt ? It's an alt..that's what they are for. Gg Tina Actually, yeah, I'm pretty sure it will hurt you, because you'll be forced to concede the argument. Lol there you go being adorable again baby gurl. There is no argument that I am trying to win therefore nothing to concede to. If it helps boost your low self esteem sweetie..I can concede and we can say you won. Thank god Tina gives the best blow j..pops. I like watermelon baby. I'd do anything for my gurl Tina Tina
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 05:09:00 - [33] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Still working hard on that ban from the forums I see. "Lol ** u" isn't an argument that disproves anything I've said. You are so adorable Tina. Do you really think a ban is going to hurt ? It's an alt..that's what they are for. Gg Tina Actually, yeah, I'm pretty sure it will hurt you, because you'll be forced to concede the argument. Lol there you go being adorable again baby gurl. There is no argument that I am trying to win therefore nothing to concede to. If it helps boost your low self esteem sweetie..I can concede and we can say you won. Thank god Tina gives the best blow j..pops. I like watermelon baby. I'd do anything for my gurl Tina Tina People might actually believe you if you weren't busy trying to abuse me out of the argument. Cause, y'know that is what you are attempting to do with the namecalling, slurring and that wonderful bit of gender targeted sexual harassment. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 641	Posted - 2015.08.10 06:04:00 - [34] - Quote For the OP: Punching Vehicles should be reserved for.... PLASMA KNUCKLES! :) For all the Haters: Keep hating, you're the reason I wanted Melee to be more mainstream... Just to see all the tears flood nowadays from myofibers brings great joy... Keep your distance pawns. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 847	Posted - 2015.08.10 06:32:00 - [35] - Quote Melee cost you 3 Highs on a commando suit (which means all slots) and is the most unreliable "weapon" in the game. So many times I've punched people with my +1200 melee punch and they didn't lose a single HP. Are people really whining about this? :o Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER ! - Sequal Rise
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1	Posted - 2015.08.10 11:12:00 - [36] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. If it's such a game-breaking crutch, then how come it's use isn't more rampant? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 415	Posted - 2015.08.10 13:10:00 - [37] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Still working hard on that ban from the forums I see. "Lol **** u" isn't an argument that disproves anything I've said. You are so adorable Tina. Do you really think a ban is going to hurt ? It's an alt..that's what they are for. Gg Tina Actually, yeah, I'm pretty sure it will hurt you, because you'll be forced to concede the argument. Lol there you go being adorable again baby gurl. There is no argument that I am trying to win therefore nothing to concede to. If it helps boost your low self esteem sweetie..I can concede and we can say you won. Thank god Tina gives the best blow j..pops. I like watermelon baby. I'd do anything for my gurl Tina Tina People might actually believe you if you weren't busy trying to abuse me out of the argument. Cause, y'know that is what you are attempting to do with the namecalling, slurring and that wonderful bit of gender targeted sexual harassment. Tina , you are not a woman? But that nite we spent together was amazing. Again, I don't need people to believe me. They can go try it on their own. I think it's time to run gall fw so I can fist you again. Good nite Purdy lil lady.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.08.10 14:29:00 - [38] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: zazu 51 wrote: I wanna know why your not allowed to punch a baby? I mean really? They can be so damn annoying sometimes You can punch babies. Having kids is a great stress reducer. For example...dust aggrivates me...I punch one of my kids. Boom I instantly feel better. We should be able to fist vehicles especially if nova knives can do damage. haha i threw my dog out the window last week cos i lost on DUST, I rage quit, threw my controller on the floor and I was all like "go on, git!" and threw that mutt straight outta compton Fisting vehicles? Punching babies? It's all come full circle, fisting babies! why can't you fist babies in dust?
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.08.10 14:30:00 - [39] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ it's not though son you can go 1400+ plus with melee. maybe it was a nut punch? i couldn't tell you the fitting however.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.08.10 14:31:00 - [40] - Quote Forced Death wrote: because nova knives were implemented due to the fact the charge could melt the armor and shields a simple strong punch to the back of a tank wouldnt do much other than hurt yourself or some loose wires hanging out at the most you could pop open a single panel with a massive punch but if i could pop the panel open i could program the tank to teach me how to nae nae.

Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 271	Posted - 2015.08.10 14:33:00 - [41] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I really dont know how someone in a metal suit, even on meth and god knows what other illegal drugs some clones are on, should be able to not only ohk another clone in a metal suit WITH EASE and not hurt himself. For heavens sake, you snag metal to metal and you got an issue. YOU PUNCH METLP WITH METAL AND YOU BREAK A HAND. I thing that myofibs need a nerf AND they should do a little bit of damage to user. Idk like 5% per myofib for a max of 15% return damage. iron fist proficiency 5 fisting fitting optimization 5 question solved?
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.10 14:51:00 - [42] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. And that's where you became an ass. Actually getting a hit on someone is pretty difficult especially with hit detection. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Pierced Daddy myrtle beach leap frogz 427	Posted - 2015.08.10 14:59:00 - [43] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. And that's where you became an ass. Actually getting a hit on someone is pretty difficult especially with hit detection. Do not talk to my Tina that way. She/he is a sensitive lil beast. Very emotional.
Larkson Crazy Eye warravens 184	Posted - 2015.08.10 16:17:00 - [44] - Quote It's funny how when people want to stop something they all start quoting 'realism' in a game like this. Grenades should be deadly because they are in real life... you can't punch a tank because you'd break your hand. Why can you get shot in the head by a big sniper riffle 3-4 times and still not die? That's not very realistic, your brains should be mush inside that armor. Plus realism goes two ways imo. As it stands tanks are either 100% perfect or dead with nothing in between. You never have any kind of lasting dmg to the various parts of the tank that affect performance. The magic nanites repair everything without so much as a scratch on your paint. Same stuff in drop suits. Would such super warriors bathed in nanites that repair giant bullet holes in their bodies in seconds really notice a few bruised knuckles or fractured bones? If you want to implement stupid things like a slower reload time due to a broken wrist imo you need to have reduced speed, weapon destruction, vision/camera loss etc apply to vehicles as well for when they take dmg. The whole system would practically call for a redesign of the game. Something I doubt CCP would want to do. Though the status effect type game play does sound pretty cool. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
Mad Kras 321	Posted - 2015.08.10 16:36:00 - [45] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: It's funny how when people want to stop something they all start quoting 'realism' in a game like this. Grenades should be deadly because they are in real life... you can't punch a tank because you'd break your hand. Why can you get shot in the head by a big sniper riffle 3-4 times and still not die? That's not very realistic, your brains should be mush inside that armor. Plus realism goes two ways imo. As it stands tanks are either 100% perfect or dead with nothing in between. You never have any kind of lasting dmg to the various parts of the tank that affect performance. The magic nanites repair everything without so much as a scratch on your paint. Same stuff in drop suits. Would such super warriors bathed in nanites that repair giant bullet holes in their bodies in seconds really notice a few bruised knuckles or fractured bones? If you want to implement stupid things like a slower reload time due to a broken wrist imo you need to have reduced speed, weapon destruction, vision/camera loss etc apply to vehicles as well for when they take dmg. The whole system would practically call for a redesign of the game. Something I doubt CCP would want to do. Though the status effect type game play does sound pretty cool. Nanites repair the suit non the merc I'm aD1CKted to you <3
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 18:11:00 - [46] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. If it's such a game-breaking crutch, then how come it's use isn't more rampant? You're making the presumption that it isn't rampant when it's in fact the 6th most purchased module in the game - and would be higher if it weren't hardcapped. It's tied with armor repairers, it has 1/3rd the purchase rate of shield extenders and it has 1/5th the purchase rate of king armor plate. You can go into any match and see 1-8 people per side running myo stacked fits. Joel II X wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. And that's where you became an ass. Actually getting a hit on someone is pretty difficult especially with hit detection. What are the downsides to failing to hit? Oh right, there aren't any because if you fail to hit you press the x button and **ing blast off to adventure over your opponents head faster than it is possible to track you with a weapon. So if you hit you kill your opponent instantly, if you fail to hit you press a SINGLE button and get to reset the engagement because your up effectively never happened. You do not have to commit or risk in an engagement at all. Scouts that aren't myo stacked at least have to stay on the same plane AND they have low hitpoints - failing to hit with knives on an opponent that's aware is a death sentence. Whats your excuse mr myocrutch? Wheres your drawback (and don't repeat the same tired fallacies - they've been disproven). Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Why can you get shot in the head by a big sniper riffle 3-4 times and still not die? That's not very realistic, your brains should be mush inside that armor. You get to survive it because HP. Weapons don't have penetration values, because automatic weaponry having a 10-35% chance to outright kill an opponent regardless of HP isn't very fun - a rail rifle that was blowing holes through 25mm ceramic / metal composite like the amarr sentinel uses would put greater than fist sized holes in the armor (which would be pushed into the wound). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 187	Posted - 2015.08.10 18:21:00 - [47] - Quote Mad Kras wrote: [ Nanites repair the suit non the merc Unless you know you die, and they use a nanite injector on you.... Though why the nanites dissipate every time and have to be used again is beyond me. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.10 18:25:00 - [48] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. And that's where you became an ass. Actually getting a hit on someone is pretty difficult especially with hit detection. What are the downsides to failing to hit? Oh right, there aren't any because if you fail to hit you press the x button and **ing blast off to adventure over your opponents head faster than it is possible to track you with a weapon. So if you hit you kill your opponent instantly, if you fail to hit you press a SINGLE button and get to reset the engagement because your up effectively never happened. You do not have to commit or risk in an engagement at all. Scouts that aren't myo stacked at least have to stay on the same plane AND they have low hitpoints - failing to hit with knives on an opponent that's aware is a death sentence. Whats your excuse mr myocrutch? Wheres your drawback (and don't repeat the same tired fallacies - they've been disproven). First, I don't use fibs. Second, don't throw the word fallacy like you know what you're talking about. You, yourself, pull off quite a few. Third, while your tears on the fibs are delicious, they don't belong in a serious argument. Scouts United** Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1	Posted - 2015.08.10 18:34:00 - [49] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. If it's such a game-breaking crutch, then how come it's use isn't more rampant? You can go into any match and see 1-8 people per side running myo stacked fits. A range of 1-8 could apply to basically any weapon. The only time I've ever seen anywhere near half a team running myostim fits was like the first two weeks the jump height increase was introduced. And even then, for most it was for the jump height not the melee damage. Then everyone realised that, while jumping was fun, stacking HP and Damage mods is still the best thing for general combat. Have you ever even ran melee before? If it's such a god-mode playstyle, go run melee for a few matches and post your results. See how easy it really is. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 12	Posted - 2015.08.10 18:35:00 - [50] - Quote NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why can't you? Here's why. I got one hit punched today. That commando dod 1450 damage to me. That's why. Awwwwww poor baby. Max power for one punch from any Commando is 1230. Nice try though champ Hep metabolic enhancers Legacy Module, I don't know why anyone would use them. Save them and sell them to a collector. Heck, I've still got old torque modules and Quafe GK.0's. Never gonna use them, getting ready to sell em Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 12	Posted - 2015.08.10 18:38:00 - [51] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. Only to people who forget how to aim on the Y Axis. It's not too hard to hit a jumpy guy. The only problem is when he is RIGHT on top of you. If he's right on top of you, simply run under him. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 19:05:00 - [52] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Myo's are a gamebreaking crutch for bad players. If it's such a game-breaking crutch, then how come it's use isn't more rampant? You can go into any match and see 1-8 people per side running myo stacked fits. A range of 1-8 could apply to basically any weapon. The only time I've ever seen anywhere near half a team running myostim fits was like the first two weeks the jump height increase was introduced. And even then, for most it was for the jump height not the melee damage. Then everyone realised that, while jumping was fun, stacking HP and Damage mods is still the best thing for general combat. Have you ever even ran melee before? If it's such a god-mode playstyle, go run melee for a few matches and post your results. See how easy it really is. So you're dissembling then "well your numbers are imprecise and my personal assertion is that you don't see them THAT often and blah blah blah I'm going to make excuses so I don't have to debate the central points of your argument". Joel II X wrote: First, I don't use fibs. Second, don't throw the word fallacy like you know what you're talking about. You, yourself, pull off quite a few. Third, while your tears on the fibs are delicious, they don't belong in a serious argument. Ah so rather than finding where I'm mistaken and prove me wrong you'd rather just call names eh? I'm amused that you bring up the "reals > feels" line of debate, because your line of argument is basically "my feels = reals > your feels". Diminishing my point to "well you're just being emotional about it" is worthy of ridicule; Yes I am passionate in my dislike of myofibs, I am passionate because they are disgustingly unbalanced in their current state (I have proposed flat values for them which smooths progression for all suits, nixes the unbalanced upper level and allows people to get the initially proposed jump height at lower levels). If I followed your line of argument and reasoning I'd act like speaker and call you a **ing moronic scrub who doesn't deserve to talk whenever you do something like complain about tanks, rather than listen to whatever points you might raise and dispute your arguments based on their accuracy and merit alone. Cutting the bullshit: Myo's are damage mods, People aren't making 'trades' to fit them, they provide unbelievable increases of movement and overwhelmingly low risk high reward patterns of play. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:04:00 - [53] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: First, I don't use fibs. Second, don't throw the word fallacy like you know what you're talking about. You, yourself, pull off quite a few. Third, while your tears on the fibs are delicious, they don't belong in a serious argument. Ah so rather than finding where I'm mistaken and prove me wrong you'd rather just call names eh? I'm amused that you bring up the "reals > feels" line of debate, because your line of argument is basically "my feels = reals > your feels". Diminishing my point to "well you're just being emotional about it" is worthy of ridicule; Yes I am passionate in my dislike of myofibs, I am passionate because they are disgustingly unbalanced in their current state (I have proposed flat values for them which smooths progression for all suits, nixes the unbalanced upper level and allows people to get the initially proposed jump height at lower levels). If I followed your line of argument and reasoning I'd act like speaker and call you a **ing moronic scrub who doesn't deserve to talk whenever you do something like complain about tanks, rather than listen to whatever points you might raise and dispute your arguments based on their accuracy and merit alone. Cutting the bullshit: Myo's are damage mods, People aren't making 'trades' to fit them, they provide unbelievable increases of movement and overwhelmingly low risk high reward patterns of play. It's much more fun because I don't take video game arguments seriously. Arguing that fibs are OP is like saying knives are OP, but without jump height in the mix. Why didn't you complain about them before the jump buff? They still have and have had the same values since. Only difference now is that they increase jump height. I'll be quite once you stop giving anecdotes, and give me concrete numbers, evidence, and all that jazz. Don't just spew that max amount of damage possible, either without mentioning the range as well as drawbacks to using them. Scout's honor. As a side note, I know they are damage mods with two purposes. I know you don't sacrifice much to fit the, I just don't know what makes them as OP as you make them out to be. They make a warrior excel at close quarters, yet they don't make them very useful for long ranges other than being able to jump obstacles to get away effectively in some cases. In case you've missed it, though, the point of my posts is not only for my own amusement, but to tell you that if you want to seriously debate on a matter, you should do so with information, regardless of whether you have already done so or not. Asking me to do so won't really make matters turn to your favor. GG o7 Scouts United** Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:54:00 - [54] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Arguing that fibs are OP is like saying knives are OP, but without jump height in the mix. Why didn't you complain about them before the jump buff? They still have and have had the same values since. Only difference now is that they increase jump height. I'll be quite once you stop giving anecdotes, and give me concrete numbers, evidence, and all that jazz. Don't just spew that max amount of damage possible, either without mentioning the range as well as drawbacks to using them. Scout's honor. As a side note, I know they are damage mods with two purposes. I know you don't sacrifice much to fit the, I just don't know what makes them as OP as you make them out to be. They make a warrior excel at close quarters, yet they don't make them very useful for long ranges other than being able to jump obstacles to get away effectively in some cases. In case you've missed it, though, the point of my posts is not only for my own amusement, but to tell you that if you want to seriously debate on a matter, you should do so with information, regardless of whether you have already done so or not. Asking me to do so won't really make matters turn to your favor. GG o7 Knives are balanced they do one thing extremely well at close range only and cannot be selected alongside other options. Myo's do multiple things extremely well while still allowing plenty of other options, you cant just knock off a portion of the whole to present your case. Myo's were unobjectively bad before the jump buff - they took too many slots to do something poorly, but even then they were subject to being horribly unbalanced because the difference in tiers and the skills bonus is too great - no one cared because no one used them (in comparison to the much better options available). It may be hard to believe but a thing can be both underpowered yet unbalanced at the same time, unbalanced is not a synonym for 'overpowered'. Myo also don't have the same values that they did back then, their damage got buffed when they got hardcapped to three (this is an undocumented change - but I can quite clearly remember romulus hex and many others losing their butts over it because his melee damage went up). Furthermore commandos never had the high slots to allow for myo stacked fits and now they do this causes a paradigm shift because it can result in changing how things need to be balanced! In regard to numbers, do you mean things like purchase rates that I've referenced (myo's are the 6th most purchased module in the game, tied with armor repairers?). Or do you want something that doesn't exist like some sort of number that empirically details how myo's are unfair, because that sort of thing as said doesn't exist. What can be done with the numbers that everyone already has is DEBATE THEM ("is the ability to consistently onehit kill things overpowered? even if it has many other advantages and negligible disadvantages?") They don't make a 'warrior' excel at close quarters they make him overbearing because of the sneer number of advantages provided. Hell in the match that I JUST got out of I saw a myo stacked tiger scout who screwed up his approach on someone with a shotgun. Guess what happened when the guy started shooting at the scout? The scout jumped straight up and away from him, then bounced behind some cover and reset the engagement that were it not for myo's he would have lost. Should I end my post with some condescending moralization like you did? Something like, oh if you want to discuss things in good faith I'd have been happy to bring information - but it came across more like you wanted to act like an idiot on the forums. I don't have to waste my time disproving assertions, assertions require only the same amount of evidence provided alongside them to be disregarded. "well meanie! you didn't provide evidence for the things you asserted" - let us refer to the heirarchy of arguments and the rational discussion flowchart (not this debate one) I've worked off of counterarguments largely or pointed out refusal to address points made. So looping back to the point I raised several posts ago. What are the meaningful downsides to failing to hit with a myo stacked suit when you can just jump out of the way and try again? Why are the 'drawbacks' to myo stacking so negligible / non-existent. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.08.11 00:23:00 - [55] - Quote The knifing of vehicles was dumb on it's own?! The fact that something challenging like melee kills has been reduced to child's play is sad. Now you wanna completely make the game slow class simple by allowing these noobs to melee everything? Melle kills used to be an exhibition of skill. To accomplish one you had to have a decent level of skill. Now CCP, in cater to bad players fashion, have made Melee super easy to accomplish. So no to melee being effective on an armored vehicle smh?! "Anybody order chaos?"


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