The Eristic
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Posted - 2015.08.08 20:22:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:logies already get bonus to fitting for equipment, why should there be further reductions? carrying equipment is a privilege not a given
This has no meaning. Almost all suits, not just logis, have equipment slots. I wonder why. Maybe, just maybe, because they're intended to carry equipment?
Wouldn't you like to (picking on a pet peeve of the community) see better links on the field with more frequency? Wouldn't you like basic and adv logis to be able to fit themselves more competitively? Heck, with the recent tiericide, every little bit of fitting is critical on non-pro suits, and some basic suits can be tough to fully fit, even with all basic.
Ratman has already been talking about implementing more fitting bonuses in various places, so, when Nanocircuitry has had an excellent built-in fitting bonus forever, I see no reason why the rest of equip shouldn't follow suit. Pure unlocks are comparatively SP-inefficient and lack real incentivisation for deeper skill investment. Without a passive bonus, there's no difference between the Aur pro versions of equipment the boxes are always throwing at us and the ISK variants (unlike suits and weapons).
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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The Eristic
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:57:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:
not every suit has an equipment slot, sentinels sure don't
Hence the phrase "almost all suits". Sentinels and basic heavies don't, while how many others do? Oh yes, all of the others.
Quote:it has plenty of meaning logies are the ones that deserve the bonuses as they are a support role, a lot of suits do have equipment slots but that is not so they can do the job of a logi it is so that you can rely less on them but not take over their job
An assault carrying links or a needle, scout with links, 'mando with hives, is standard business in PC/FW syncs and in no way infringes on the dedicated logi's ability to "support". In fact, the over-reliance on explicit logistical support is a surefire recipe for a lost match. Everybody in a match needs to "support" to a greater or lesser extent as best they can, and some equip, whether through inadequacy at lower tiers or the fitting costs outright, impede that unnecessarily. If anything, a fitting reduction further strengthens the logistic suits, as they, being by necessity skilled into most if not all equipment, will benefit the most. Being able to move up a tier in reptool on a non-Min, up a tier in links on non-Amarr, et cetera, or perhaps just being able to stay alive a little longer would be quite the boon to one's team.
Quote:I use std gear almost exclusively and have been commended on doing well when playing with people that mainly run proto, heck I even surpass then half of the time in all std gear or stock apex suits
Hey, me too. I was near a billion ISK recently, until I bought a bunch of APEX suits that I gave away, all through minmaxing basic for years and being highly ISK-efficient. So?
Quote:I can easily fit all std mods and an adv scanner on my std cal assault and I dont have max fitting skills, all you have said is that you want to be able to fit std suits the way you want them instead of giving a good reason why and saying that they aren't competitive is not a good reason, if you lack pg or cpu on a std suit to fit something then use CPU and PG upgrades they exist for a reason
That is not "all" I have said at, uh, all. You're inferring too much, and there is too much variability in potential fittings for something as anecdotal as "I can fit my C-1 with x" to hold water. I run every suit, every weapon, every mod, equip, role in the game on different characters, and some are, in fact, a challenge to fit at basic, especially once weapons like the Plasma Cannon get involved or mods like Kincats. "All" I have proposed is a simple passive fitting bonus to equip skills so that skilling into them further offers greater benefit than a mere unlock for the person doing so, like skilling a dropsuit or weapon, but much less dramatic, as I am not proposing anything that increases effectiveness or functionality. It's not a tremendously complex, or I would've thought, controversial idea. Never seen anyone complain about Nanocircuitry's bonus that I can recall, and Needles/Hives aren't even resource hogs without it. Just looking for a simple way to potentially increase fitting diversity and quality.
Quote:and I doubt you have thought about what consequences it might bring if doing so, you want a commando to be able to cloak up while being damped and still have enough cpu/pg left over to fit myos so they can sneak up on everyone and OHK you?
Hell yes.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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