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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 18:03:00 -
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Most of the original money for Dust came from a venture capital firm that bought into convertible bonds from CCP to fund Dust. http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/09/ccp-dust-514-funding/
Those bonds were bought back around the same time that the Legion trademark was dropped. http://massivelyop.com/2015/05/18/ccp-games-buys-back-20m-in-bonds-drops-legion-trademark/
Many of us speculated at the time of the "profitable" statement that this was in reference to month to month, quarterly, or maybe something else. When looking at the information above it would seem a much better assumption to say profitable was actually in regards to paying back its original start up cost and operating at a positive after paying the skeleton crew even if that positive is only one dollar.
So what does this mean for the future of Dust?
A large amount of the operating budget was likely cleared out in paying back this loan. What this means is that the funds likely are not currently in place to handle the costs associated with a port but could easily be obtained likely from the same company even.
Does that mean it is time to port?
NO. In my opinion it means quite the opposite. It would seem to be a better idea to milk the "dead platform" which is producing an obvious positive for as long as possible before going back into debt to shut that cash flow down in exchange for what is essentially a new venture.
Assuming this is correct when does that mean a port will come along?
This is something that many people could give many answers for. My actual answer here is likely to be the most controversial so I will keep that for another time.
Will Dust get ported?
Given the facts above a port does seem to be the best call but only when the time is right. Basically what this means is STOP screaming for a port. At this point the people that will make the call on that is the accounting department giving the okay to take on debt to cover the difference.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 20:40:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Good breakdown. I dont think this will silence those calling for a port (feel like most are just complaining to complain: complaint without seeking relief) Does however give info for cooler heads to discuss with those whom are averse to the toxic environment which is the forums.
Thanks.
I know it came off as trying to stop the port posts but was really more looking to get the info out there. I have decided to keep my opinion on what this means is needed to force CCP into porting to myself for now just because it would instantly derail the thread.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:24:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:This is more like what most people who have thought about it have realized for 1.5 years. It's a huge assumption to think that CCP were referencing profitability relative to the 20m down investment. Frankly I doubt that Dust has, overall, run a profit for CCP, when you consider the interest on the loans and the $20m+ spent.
Your porting logic isn't really very solid. You've come to the realization that Dust is in a very precarious position and that porting to another platform is a venture that CCP very well might not be able to justify on a business basis, which is airtight. But suggesting that they can procrastinate on a porting decision is incorrect. The PSN for PS3's has maybe a year or two more in it before Sony shuts it down, and the resource constraints that the PS3 introduces on the product itself has every evidence and potential to deflate the number of both payers and players as time goes on.
The game's coming to a tipping point where profitability on a ported version is concerned, as opposed to investing in blue ocean products (for instance in the VR space). Either they need to start developing a ported version now so that they have a port ready before PS3's get cut from the PSN and that their community doesn't atrophy so much that it doesn't cover operating costs, or they need to decide that they're not porting at all so that they can lay out a road map for slowly abandoning assets (like extra servers) that cause operating costs. They'll wean off operating costs so that they can maintain profitability for the longest possible period, before pulling the plug entirely.
Showing that the current community is active, passionate, and are still desperate to support Dust to the point of wanting it to continue to exist on another platform, that can only be to the good in convincing CCP to make the decision to port. That decision is coming up. I appreciate the thread- it consolidates some pieces of information some people probably didn't know. But the conclusion is just poppycock.
It sounds to me like you are operating under the same assumptions that many within the consumer world get stuck in.
Ultimately what it comes down to is CCP is not going to rack up a bunch more debt on our promises that we will go out and buy a PS4 to continue to support them. Let's not forget that CCP making that assumption that Eve players would do that was why Dust got a bit of a rocky start. Are we to assume that they did not learn a single lesson there?
Ultimately going to PS4 any time in the next couple of years would be a huge risk for CCP. Jumping on the early life cycle of a console that is still selling at top MSRPs to compete with a very consistent flow of new triple A titles over the next couple of years is not a good environment for them at all. Riding out profitability on the PS3 and staying out of those very turbulent waters is unfortunately the best thing they could do.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.10 00:42:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:I don't think most of the money came from the bonds since Dust was in development since 2007 or 2008. I think this was a video from fanfest 2008 https://www.flickr.com/photos/crazykinux/3013464882/I think they more like they didn't have enough money so they got a loan. I agree that it probably isn't the best time to do a port, but at the same time they are probably running out of time and CCP isn't investing into Dust right now, a port would not be possible right now most likely .
Most of the money actually went to promotion at Uprising. It cost CCP millions to get those promo cards in the PS3 ultra slims, on the front page of PS home, and in the scrolling bar on the PS menu. These costs would be even higher on the PS4 thanks to the newness and the fact that many more games desire those advertising spots.
xavier zor wrote:on PS4 so many more players would play dust....so much more income for CCP.
Playerbase is so low not because the game sucks but because no one plays PS3 anymore (except us)
This is a huge assumption. NPE is admittedly very bad on this game which means that any advertising dollars would end up a waste. With the PS4 people are flooded with far more options to run off to when they rage quit Dust because they got fed to proto wolves. There is a ton of work on NPE and several other things that need to be done on this game before it is in shape to spend millions of dollars on advertising.
When a game has missing content, no real end game, terrible npe, and is just continuously the process of rolling the match making dice how can you really expect it to compete with the flood of titles that is pouring on to the PS4. Anyone that is honest with them self can admit that there are many mobile games that are more entertaining than Dust is for a player with less than 20 - 30 million SP.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.10 06:31:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:howard sanchez wrote: ? Crowd funding campaign to finance a port ? I will not put any money into CCP for crowd funding another game. I will not even advocate or spread word of it. I'm not going to do the work for CCP. They can put something out there and show promise. Along with that, a more competent dev team like we have now; however, knowing CCP now, I will not put any money into any future games until it is fairly balanced.
I really have to agree with this. CCP has sown some incredible mismanagement when it comes to understanding what players want and implementing even their own ideas. Honestly I would not even be willing to buy a PS4 for Dust unless it was confirmed that the port has full racial parity and a few other basic features that we should have already on launch. If they just literally copy and pasted this over to PS4 I would pull the SSD out of my playstation and download some new games on my PC.
When it comes to CCP crowd funding really should not be an option. They have too much history of far under delivering at this point. The promises they would need to make for crowd funding to work would put them at serious risk of permanently damaging their image should they deliver in the same way they have on many other projects including Dust.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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