DUST Search - DUST (PS4) Potential port discussion

bear90211 wrote:

SO, My original thread about the DUST fixes got quite a bit of heat from people smarter than me, note that those were merely ideas and pure guesses in that topic and I am not the smartest person playing this game by far, so I am making a thread on the possible port to PS4 - I don't wan't it to be another one of those really stupid 'port it to PS4' threads you'll see pop up every so often but I won't say straight up 'port it' these are suggestions, facts and opinions. list form.

1. Porting (Now) is technically impossible, and the PS3 only agreement CCP has will be ending later this year (The exact date is somewhere in the forums) so afterwards it will be possible for a port.

2. CCP has VR & UE4 experience but it is unconfirmed what exactly all they have covered in UE4, the VR aspect is certain. UE4 is supposed to be easier to use from what I hear and has many more possibilities within it, I am pretty sure it would run DUST smoother, but I have no experience, and have not seen game-play (Of any sort) on UE4.

3. The old coding the original DUST coders put there is a massive mess, old versions of DUST had it, and it still has it, and that is the majority cause of frame-rate drops, the auto cache clearer I suggested in my other thread would take quite a bit of coding itself to implement and would only be a slight frame rate fixer, in particularly laggy maps there would still be frame drops and rubber banding, so it is almost mandatory for DUST to be reconstructed from the ground up, say LEGION (The YouTube video I saw at least) I hope uses its own base code. Sure using the old DUST code would be easy but.... ******** beyond measure.

4. in the reworking of all that old code, visual effects and the MCC could be redone as well, basically the little things that aren't getting much attention but should can get it's proper coding and visual effects.

5. Why PS4 and not PC? well it's pretty simple, PS4 is filled with actual gamers and advertisements will be seen not based on what you look at but rather just put onto somebody's TV screen in multiple places, dramatically raising the player base to games much like defiance or planetside 2, DUST falls into a very unique category for being a shooter, it is generally unique while in fact it is not, but it seems like it.

just some suggestions and facts. feel free to discuss, I hope I get less bad comments here because I did not have too much backing behind my last OP and was called out on it, and I understand why. feel free to comment here though.

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bear90211 Negative-Feedback. 338	Posted - 2015.08.08 03:46:00 - [1] - Quote SO, My original thread about the DUST fixes got quite a bit of heat from people smarter than me, note that those were merely ideas and pure guesses in that topic and I am not the smartest person playing this game by far, so I am making a thread on the possible port to PS4 - I don't wan't it to be another one of those really stupid 'port it to PS4' threads you'll see pop up every so often but I won't say straight up 'port it' these are suggestions, facts and opinions. list form. 1. Porting (Now) is technically impossible, and the PS3 only agreement CCP has will be ending later this year (The exact date is somewhere in the forums) so afterwards it will be possible for a port. 2. CCP has VR & UE4 experience but it is unconfirmed what exactly all they have covered in UE4, the VR aspect is certain. UE4 is supposed to be easier to use from what I hear and has many more possibilities within it, I am pretty sure it would run DUST smoother, but I have no experience, and have not seen game-play (Of any sort) on UE4. 3. The old coding the original DUST coders put there is a massive mess, old versions of DUST had it, and it still has it, and that is the majority cause of frame-rate drops, the auto cache clearer I suggested in my other thread would take quite a bit of coding itself to implement and would only be a slight frame rate fixer, in particularly laggy maps there would still be frame drops and rubber banding, so it is almost mandatory for DUST to be reconstructed from the ground up, say LEGION (The YouTube video I saw at least) I hope uses its own base code. Sure using the old DUST code would be easy but.... ******** beyond measure. 4. in the reworking of all that old code, visual effects and the MCC could be redone as well, basically the little things that aren't getting much attention but should can get it's proper coding and visual effects. 5. Why PS4 and not PC? well it's pretty simple, PS4 is filled with actual gamers and advertisements will be seen not based on what you look at but rather just put onto somebody's TV screen in multiple places, dramatically raising the player base to games much like defiance or planetside 2, DUST falls into a very unique category for being a shooter, it is generally unique while in fact it is not, but it seems like it. just some suggestions and facts. feel free to discuss, I hope I get less bad comments here because I did not have too much backing behind my last OP and was called out on it, and I understand why. feel free to comment here though.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 360	Posted - 2015.08.08 03:56:00 - [2] - Quote so...here's a better question...why not PS4 AND PC? Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
james selim brownstein BAD SANTA'S SCHOOL 4 SCOUNDRELS 46	Posted - 2015.08.08 04:01:00 - [3] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: so...here's a better question...why not PS4 AND PC? here is an even better question, why the paragraph bruh? why?
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 918	Posted - 2015.08.08 05:32:00 - [4] - Quote Their team is small, is what I hear a lot when I ask why they are not fixing or interacting with the community. What makes you think they have the manpower, time, resources, or skill to even port this game to the ps4? I also only say ps4 because, screw the pc. If they could have re-worked the coding they would have done it a long time ago and implemented it. The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 253	Posted - 2015.08.08 13:15:00 - [5] - Quote People hoping for a port can't see the truth of the staffing situation in Shanghai. Gunjack took those of the people they didn't fire, not counting the at most 10 people still working on dust. CCP gave up on making a second attempt at an FPS. They won't tell you that because they hope to still sell aurum until they shut this pig down. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2015.08.08 13:28:00 - [6] - Quote What a lot of people who say "the code's a mess. Start from scratch." don't understand is a lot of that "mess" is bug fixes. If you start from scratch you're going to be creating a new game that's going to be a buggy mess at launch. The way to do a port properly is to refactor the existing code, piece-by-piece and clean it up as they go along. If CCP tells you that they rewrote it from scratch, everyone should be very concerned. Best PvE idea ever!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.08 17:21:00 - [7] - Quote bear90211 wrote: SO, My original thread about the DUST fixes got quite a bit of heat from people smarter than me, note that those were merely ideas and pure guesses in that topic and I am not the smartest person playing this game by far, so I am making a thread on the possible port to PS4 - I don't wan't it to be another one of those really stupid 'port it to PS4' threads you'll see pop up every so often but I won't say straight up 'port it' these are suggestions, facts and opinions. list form. 1. Porting (Now) is technically impossible, and the PS3 only agreement CCP has will be ending later this year (The exact date is somewhere in the forums) so afterwards it will be possible for a port. 2. CCP has VR & UE4 experience but it is unconfirmed what exactly all they have covered in UE4, the VR aspect is certain. UE4 is supposed to be easier to use from what I hear and has many more possibilities within it, I am pretty sure it would run DUST smoother, but I have no experience, and have not seen game-play (Of any sort) on UE4. 3. The old coding the original DUST coders put there is a massive mess, old versions of DUST had it, and it still has it, and that is the majority cause of frame-rate drops, the auto cache clearer I suggested in my other thread would take quite a bit of coding itself to implement and would only be a slight frame rate fixer, in particularly laggy maps there would still be frame drops and rubber banding, so it is almost mandatory for DUST to be reconstructed from the ground up, say LEGION (The YouTube video I saw at least) I hope uses its own base code. Sure using the old DUST code would be easy but.... ******** beyond measure. 4. in the reworking of all that old code, visual effects and the MCC could be redone as well, basically the little things that aren't getting much attention but should can get it's proper coding and visual effects. 5. Why PS4 and not PC? well it's pretty simple, PS4 is filled with actual gamers and advertisements will be seen not based on what you look at but rather just put onto somebody's TV screen in multiple places, dramatically raising the player base to games much like defiance or planetside 2, DUST falls into a very unique category for being a shooter, it is generally unique while in fact it is not, but it seems like it. just some suggestions and facts. feel free to discuss, I hope I get less bad comments here because I did not have too much backing behind my last OP and was called out on it, and I understand why. feel free to comment here though. Sorry but there is a whole lot of nope in this post. 1. By almost all accounts the contract expired in May of this year. Confirming that is just as likely as confirming the actual details of the contract. 2. Making a little mobile game using VR and UE4 hardly constitutes the experience necessary for an attempt at a triple A title on any console. Don't get me wrong its a good starting point but really not even one worth discussing. 3. Who is to say rebuilding from the ground up would not just result in spending millions of dollars to end up with a whole different pile of problems. (Hint: IT WOULD) Dust being a mess from the start thanks to the whole carbon / ue3 debacle sucks but starting over is almost never an option specifically at this stage in the game. We saw very clearly that even Legion was just a copy / paste of Dust with some major work done on top thanks to not having to deal with the PS3 architecture. 4. This is whatever. Hardly an area for focus when we still have play ability issues. "If it looks pretty it works" is not a true statement and never will be. 5. I am seriously resisting the urge to rage on this one. I will let someone else rip on that statement so that I do not end up ranting. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.08 17:26:00 - [8] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: People hoping for a port can't see the truth of the staffing situation in Shanghai. Gunjack took those of the people they didn't fire, not counting the at most 10 people still working on dust. CCP gave up on making a second attempt at an FPS. They won't tell you that because they hope to still sell aurum until they shut this pig down. Fan boys will come a long and tell you that the developers were working on Gunjack in their free time. That may have been an acceptable excuse before CCP started posting jobs specifically requesting VR experienced UE4 developers but it really is not now. From the outside looking in it would very much seem that CCP is absolutely done with anything that is not Eve or a random VR project. I will give you a hint CCP, VR + terrible frame rates is not only terrible but could actually turn dangerous. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.08.08 17:40:00 - [9] - Quote Ya ya ya. In the meantime let's continue to profitably develop Dust on the PS3 until the product is as refined as possible. You really want to port Dust now to PS4 with all its current bugs and glitches? PS: The original plan for Dust was to be cross platform between PS3 and XB360, but unfortunately legal issues with Microsoft prevented it. We should make a strong push for that to happen on the current Gen, and settle for PS4 exclusive if that fails. CPM Platform
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.08 18:01:00 - [10] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: What a lot of people who say "the code's a mess. Start from scratch." don't understand is a lot of that "mess" is bug fixes. If you start from scratch you're going to be creating a new game that's going to be a buggy mess at launch. The way to do a port properly is to refactor the existing code, piece-by-piece and clean it up as they go along. If CCP tells you that they rewrote it from scratch, everyone should be very concerned. It's a gamble, yes. Bugs only come from both lack of experience and skill. You may get some bugs in the game anyways, but you can avoid most of the ones from the Dust off you had a team that actually knew what they were doing with their current tools, I would assume. The old Dust team was a huge mess, just like the Nullarbur DS. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.08 18:06:00 - [11] - Quote bear90211 wrote: SO, My original thread about the DUST fixes got quite a bit of heat from people smarter than me, note that those were merely ideas and pure guesses in that topic and I am not the smartest person playing this game by far, so I am making a thread on the possible port to PS4 - I don't wan't it to be another one of those really stupid 'port it to PS4' threads you'll see pop up every so often but I won't say straight up 'port it' these are suggestions, facts and opinions. list form. 1. Porting (Now) is technically impossible, and the PS3 only agreement CCP has will be ending later this year (The exact date is somewhere in the forums) so afterwards it will be possible for a port. 2. CCP has VR & UE4 experience but it is unconfirmed what exactly all they have covered in UE4, the VR aspect is certain. UE4 is supposed to be easier to use from what I hear and has many more possibilities within it, I am pretty sure it would run DUST smoother, but I have no experience, and have not seen game-play (Of any sort) on UE4. 3. The old coding the original DUST coders put there is a massive mess, old versions of DUST had it, and it still has it, and that is the majority cause of frame-rate drops, the auto cache clearer I suggested in my other thread would take quite a bit of coding itself to implement and would only be a slight frame rate fixer, in particularly laggy maps there would still be frame drops and rubber banding, so it is almost mandatory for DUST to be reconstructed from the ground up, say LEGION (The YouTube video I saw at least) I hope uses its own base code. Sure using the old DUST code would be easy but.... ******** beyond measure. 4. in the reworking of all that old code, visual effects and the MCC could be redone as well, basically the little things that aren't getting much attention but should can get it's proper coding and visual effects. 5. Why PS4 and not PC? well it's pretty simple, PS4 is filled with actual gamers and advertisements will be seen not based on what you look at but rather just put onto somebody's TV screen in multiple places, dramatically raising the player base to games much like defiance or planetside 2, DUST falls into a very unique category for being a shooter, it is generally unique while in fact it is not, but it seems like it. just some suggestions and facts. feel free to discuss, I hope I get less bad comments here because I did not have too much backing behind my last OP and was called out on it, and I understand why. feel free to comment here though. except ccp arrogance kills any chance at a ps4 port i.e. no mention of a kickstarter rebuilding dust 514 code? hell noooo! better to go with blank slate i.e. set a simple goal 60 fps on ps4 begin by saying its in beta and a work in progress start with just one basic scout suit, one basic assault suit and one basic heavy suit, basic logi one basic color one basic version of ar, laser, md, smg, shotgun, hmg, sniper, swarm, forge gun one basic color one map one basic lav, tank and dropship and one basic color 24 versus 24 fund the game by leting folks pay for custom name plates on vehicles, custom colors on everything game will evolve from there by being funded
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2015.08.08 19:28:00 - [12] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Vell0cet wrote: What a lot of people who say "the code's a mess. Start from scratch." don't understand is a lot of that "mess" is bug fixes. If you start from scratch you're going to be creating a new game that's going to be a buggy mess at launch. The way to do a port properly is to refactor the existing code, piece-by-piece and clean it up as they go along. If CCP tells you that they rewrote it from scratch, everyone should be very concerned. It's a gamble, yes. Bugs only come from both lack of experience and skill. You may get some bugs in the game anyways, but you can avoid most of the ones from the Dust off you had a team that actually knew what they were doing with their current tools, I would assume. The old Dust team was a huge mess, just like the Nullarbur DS. It's not just a gamble it's "the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make." Best PvE idea ever!
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.08.08 22:15:00 - [13] - Quote Developing for a console isn't as easy as CCP saying "ok we're gonna put DUST on PS4" there is a lot of red tape and jumping through hoops to make it a reality, even down to using game engines on different formats can be a hassle (although Unreal has supposed to been made freely avalaible without hassle now) all this adds to cost and there is also Planetside 2, Warframe and Destiny on PS4 already which people will play more due to the horrible reviews DUST got when it launched Developing for PC allows CCP a lot more freedom to develop it as they want. they're not restricted by Sony and programming is easier. not only that but the 600-700k EVE players who might have ignored dust because of being on a console, can now have it on their gaming rig running alongside their EVE client(s) most EVE players will have multi screen setups so they can interact far easier. CCP could build up a nice playerbase on PC, shake off the negative image the media and even playerbase has of dust and in a couple of years when they have a good game, they can look at moving to PS4. just like Sony did with PS2 Please fix my C-II hitpoints!!
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.08 22:39:00 - [14] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: so...here's a better question...why not PS4 AND PC? Why not PC? Think about it.. I mean really think about that. How fast do Dev changes come out? How fast do PC hacks come out? Is there any question that the Devs would be floundered with a broken game if it branched over to PC? No. Not a single doubt here. I played games like that with a low Dev count. "Combat Arms". Wow.. the insane number of hackers, in there... Guys shooting through walls... auto aimbots.. infinite ammo... team killing bombs, and the "everyone dies instantly" nutcases who hit both teams at the same time. Oy.... http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 927	Posted - 2015.08.08 23:24:00 - [15] - Quote I remember that crap xD Get into a match and it be all like; "Unbelievable! - Knife kill "Unbelievable! - Knife kill" "Unbelievable! - Knife kill"' "Unbelievable! - Knife kill" "Unbelievable! - Knife kill" "Unbelievable! - Knife kill" "Unbelievable! - Knife kill" The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
TEBOW BAGGINS 1	Posted - 2015.08.08 23:37:00 - [16] - Quote 10 year road map bro.. 10 year roadmap and NDA.. there's still that shot fired that topples an empire/leaving footprints on the sand.. did they come up with any new catch phrase for 2015 or did they finally give up on those that moment when you can't give away your millions of isk in local or NPC corp chat instead get LOLed out of the chann
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.09 18:49:00 - [17] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: 10 year road map bro.. 10 year roadmap and NDA.. there's still that shot fired that topples an empire/leaving footprints on the sand.. did they come up with any new catch phrase for 2015 or did they finally give up on those that moment when you can't give away your millions of isk in local or NPC corp chat instead get LOLed out of the chann well they still have in reserve the do not sell your ps3 yet looks at upcomeing ps3 release for new games hmmmm yes, yes, here we go a reason not to sell a ps3 in favor of a newer platform its hardcore ps3 barbies sisters puppy rescue! and skylanders back to looking at dust 514 the really funny part is the NDA the game is out so why NDA? lol versus Warframe what are they working on? developers workshop stuff being developed for warframe way before it hits a release build then the Digital Extreme devs actually post the new item or mission or weapons or suits and they want feedback on them then the feedback gets incorporated to the new build but here on Dust 514? what you working on? NDA hey CPM what are they working on? NDA is the new build going to be bad? NDA is the new build going to be good? NDA hey GM any info? NDA now pardon me but back to playing Warframe
Diablo Gamekeeper Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 500	Posted - 2015.08.09 19:31:00 - [18] - Quote hmmm you guys think BO3 will come out for ps3? I'm back Rainbow Dash I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.09 19:45:00 - [19] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: hmmm you guys think BO3 will come out for ps3? update theres a ps3 version developed by Beenox......yuck with ps3 new hardware sales dying? ummm its looking kinda like the Fallout Four situation in regards to a Sony platform only on PS4 no ps3 versions buy hey! theres hardcore barbies sisters puppy rescue! on ps3!
TEBOW BAGGINS 1	Posted - 2015.08.11 03:19:00 - [20] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: 10 year road map bro.. 10 year roadmap and NDA.. there's still that shot fired that topples an empire/leaving footprints on the sand.. did they come up with any new catch phrase for 2015 or did they finally give up on those that moment when you can't give away your millions of isk in local or NPC corp chat instead get LOLed out of the chann well they still have in reserve the do not sell your ps3 yet looks at upcomeing ps3 release for new games hmmmm yes, yes, here we go a reason not to sell a ps3 in favor of a newer platform its hardcore ps3 barbies sisters puppy rescue! and skylanders back to looking at dust 514 the really funny part is the NDA the game is out so why NDA? lol versus Warframe what are they working on? developers workshop stuff being developed for warframe way before it hits a release build then the Digital Extreme devs actually post the new item or mission or weapons or suits and they want feedback on them then the feedback gets incorporated to the new build but here on Dust 514? what you working on? NDA hey CPM what are they working on? NDA is the new build going to be bad? NDA is the new build going to be good? NDA hey GM any info? NDA now pardon me but back to playing Warframe Wahappen with ps2 tech i thought u were stoked on it, too many bugs?
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:00:00 - [21] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: 10 year road map bro.. 10 year roadmap and NDA.. there's still that shot fired that topples an empire/leaving footprints on the sand.. did they come up with any new catch phrase for 2015 or did they finally give up on those that moment when you can't give away your millions of isk in local or NPC corp chat instead get LOLed out of the chann well they still have in reserve the do not sell your ps3 yet looks at upcomeing ps3 release for new games hmmmm yes, yes, here we go a reason not to sell a ps3 in favor of a newer platform its hardcore ps3 barbies sisters puppy rescue! and skylanders back to looking at dust 514 the really funny part is the NDA the game is out so why NDA? lol versus Warframe what are they working on? developers workshop stuff being developed for warframe way before it hits a release build then the Digital Extreme devs actually post the new item or mission or weapons or suits and they want feedback on them then the feedback gets incorporated to the new build but here on Dust 514? what you working on? NDA hey CPM what are they working on? NDA is the new build going to be bad? NDA is the new build going to be good? NDA hey GM any info? NDA now pardon me but back to playing Warframe Wahappen with ps2 tech i thought u were stoked on it, too many bugs? ps2 is fun but lately i want some story to go with my shooter and thats why i am playing warframe
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.08.27 00:39:00 - [22] - Quote It's too late for the PS4. If they try porting there, it'll be just like Dust on the PS3 and it'll hit at the end of the console's lifespan, so we'll be back where we started. Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, and therefore less and less relevant. The current plan is to go PC, which is the best route. The anti-tunnel snake taskforce has assembled
Aile Striker TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 0	Posted - 2015.08.28 00:24:00 - [23] - Quote I think the reason that they opted to not go for the PS4 version of the game in favor of the PC is two fold: a) how many agreements are needed for a console release vs a pc release b) no hardware/software restrictions (pc) vs hardware/software designed for a given console For a point of clarification on the XBOX360 version of Dust514, CCP wanted both Dust514 and EVE Online on the same server. To that end Microsoft said NO, and Sony didnt really care at the time. Having both games on the same server allowed for easier Faction Warfare on planets as long as pilots that were fighting on you're side were in orbit. For the record, the Personal Computer suffers from a 2-yr software lag. Which means that the software being released currently is designed for hardware from two years ago
Starlight Burner Black Screen TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 440	Posted - 2015.08.28 00:34:00 - [24] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: so...here's a better question...why not PS4 AND PC? Why not PC? Think about it.. I mean really think about that. How fast do Dev changes come out? How fast do PC hacks come out? Is there any question that the Devs would be floundered with a broken game if it branched over to PC? No. Not a single doubt here. I played games like that with a low Dev count. "Combat Arms". Wow.. the insane number of hackers, in there... Guys shooting through walls... auto aimbots.. infinite ammo... team killing bombs, and the "everyone dies instantly" nutcases who hit both teams at the same time. Oy.... Unrealistic view of how most companies on PC operate with their games. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 354	Posted - 2015.08.28 02:21:00 - [25] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: so...here's a better question...why not PS4 AND PC? Whatever the case as long as the party keeps going, I don't care which platform more and moire as time goes on.

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